My CJ Carr hot take on this board made it on Cover 3 podcast / partial apology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6lI0QEghA
I am a big Cover 3 fan and Tom Fornelli (mio paesano) read out my CJ Carr hot take from MgoBoard on today's podcast. The funny thing is that if you read my posting history, I go for the "voice of reason" track 98% of the time.
Anyway, I used a silly word to describe CJ and I apologize for that (like he cares - LOL), it was uncalled for / immature for me to call him a name. I will be better than that going forward. CJ obviously has the right to go any school he thinks is the best for him and I certainly hope that he stays healthy and gets his shot at the NFL. My daughter actually knows him through a friend and says that he is a good kid and we all know how great the Carr family has been in the Ann Arbor community.
However, on the radio, Mike Spath and Craig Ross (who I really like) both were talking about how Michigan fans should be rooting for CJ and Notre Dame. Mike Spath said it would be "gross" to root against Notre Dame. F* that. I want Notre Dame to go 3-9 every season between now and 2050.
He picked a rival school and said publicly that he wants to start recruiting for Notre Dame. Given how many times we go up against them, especially for local kids, that means he is absolutely going to be recruiting against Michigan. Nobody should expect that all of a sudden Michigan fans are going to start rooting for Notre Dame.
RR was a one trick pony coach and a scumbag as we later learned. Lloyd was looking out for the kids he recruited and their best interests. That doesn’t sound like he was being selfish to me.
Maybe Carr should have looked to Bump Elliot as to what a Michigan coach does for an incoming coach ! Carr was a miserable pos who was pissed that he wasn’t consulted on who the next hc would be ! And they weren’t his players they were Michigan players ! He has not been a Michigan man since that time !
Everyone has a different level of loyalty. If I was Lloyd, I wouldn't have put on the ND hat. I would've stood next to my grandson, no doubt, but as the former Michigan coach, I would've said I don't feel comfortable putting on the hat. But that's me. I also wouldn't have pledged loyalty to my (key word: my) recruits over loyalty to the program. I wouldn't have said, "You should probably pick Iowa over Michigan." I would've said, "I think you need to pick the place that's best for you." There's a difference.
Are you kidding yourself? Looking out for the kids he recruited by pushing them away from the Michigan program that was in desperate need of all the support it could muster during the transition?
The same Michigan program who gave him his head coaching shot, and whose gravitas and players he inherited that made him a millionaire and a household name, and basically made him everything he was and is.
Nice way to repay the program that made you everything you are.. Dude is a sanctimonious, self-centered jerk, and in truth I would have been shocked to see his grandson attend Michigan. That his grandson didn't grow up with the same enthusiasm and loyalty to Michigan as say, Aiden Hutchinson, is actually quite expected and par for the course for Lloyd.
Onwards and upwards.
So true. When he retired (was pushed out) as HC, he was the Associate AD, and he NEVER said anything publicly positive during the RR years. He was happy RR had a rough time. I'll never forget that.
He was never pushed out. If anything, he wanted to retire a year earlier. Why is this still a narrative? It’s flatly incorrect.
To answer your question it's Russian disinformation.
Because Carr was a straight-up guy who led honorably and RR was a kind of a scumbag who had no business being at Michigan, as he quickly proved.
He was, at best, an average coach.
He made the most of his moment and possibly stayed too long.
That just isn't true. He had the 3rd highest Big Ten winning percentage (.779) of all Michigan coaches. Only Fielding Yost and Bo Schembechler were better.
He also had a record of 19-8 against teams ranked in the Top 10.
Also a national championship
... and 5 Big Ten titles.
The people trashing Lloyd and re-writing history in this thread for wearing a ND hat are remarkable.
He wasn't a great head coach. He was the luckiest head coach in Michigan history. The 97 was great in spite of him, not because of him.
His record was 122-40 over 13 years. Whether it was "luck" or good coaching, it is what it is. Nobody has to like the guy, but let's not pretend he wasn't a highly successful coach.
He’s simply supporting his grandson. Boundaries don’t exist when it comes to sports fandom. It’s a fucking hat. He’s not the one who should be eating a bag of dicks, Windycity.
Ok Lloyd. Whatever
That’s always a strong comeback. And original too. Never seen it before. Sorry you can’t put into perspective losing this recruit, and his grandfather wearing a rival’s hat. Time heals all wounds, but until then don’t be a bitch.
Time won't heal this wound...ever...EVER.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! DON'T GO THERE!!!
Thanks, Ron English (one of the guys Lloyd thought could be Michigan's head coach), for the brilliant play calling that led up to that moment.
All these years later a few Michigan fans probably think RichRod was coaching then.
Oh, that's so disgusting..
Looking through Yelp right now for a voodoo priest to resurrect Bo so that he can have (another) chat with Lloyd.
Why is it that we constantly take these Ls? Good luck to CJ. Not rooting for ND whatsoever.
I don't think it's an L at all. He's one player. Players come and go. And then we forget about them because they move on and so do we.
Wendy-- always the voice of reason and this is spot on as well. We are in on other 5* QB's and even have one on the roster with 3 years left. If Carr doesn't want to be a Michigan Wolverine...good riddance.
Yeah it's an L. Definitely an L.
Lloyd must have grown a dislike for U-M. Geesh...
He just shouldn't have put the hat on. Support the grandson. But that is where you say "CJ, I love you son. But I'm not putting that hat on."
Lloyd knows full well that's the equivalent of giving the Michigan fans the finger.
I agree with this sentiment. It would've been ok to say, "I'll stand by your side but I'm not wearing the hat." He's the former Michigan coach, not some random Michigan fan.
Can’t help but see the irony since Carr was known for the “there is an expectation for the position” stance. But if it’s me, I’m totally wearing that hat. Especially because of all the Heat CJ is taking from our fanbase.
I have 3 grandsons and 4 granddaughters and no matter what they do or where they go I will be right there with them, This doesn't move the needle for me, he's just enjoying his grandsons success and nothing else
That picture made me sick to my stomach.
My nephew grew up a Michigan fan but got a full ride academic scholarship to ND. He went to football games wearing ND gear with a Michigan T-shirt underneath. For graduation, he wore a Michigan shirt under his robe. He actually roots for both teams but his #1 loyalty is to Michigan.
Gross.
The cross CJ wears is telling. I has some UM fan friends who went to ND because they were fiercely Catholic. Kind of a dumb reason to choose a school in my opinion but to each his own.
Wow. You were Phyllis in Alabama or whatever on the penis with giant ears show. I think that his name is pete fine kick in the nuts or something like that.
please stop this behavior. This is up there with tweeting at recruits. Have your neighbor kick you in the nuts bc id hope that you have no significant other or progeny.
anyone else considering similar behavior, Please consult your neighbor in a similar manner.
Marco Emilio Polo (/ˈmɑːrkoʊ ˈpoʊloʊ/ (listen), Venetian: [ˈmaɾko ˈpolo], Italian: [ˈmarko ˈpɔːlo] (listen); c. 1254 – January 8, 1324)[1] was a Venetianmerchant,[2][3] explorer, and writer from the Republic of Venice who travelled through Asia along the Silk Road between 1271 and 1295.
His travels are recorded in The Travels of Marco Polo (also known as Book of the Marvels of the World and Il Milione, c. 1300), a book that described to Europeans the then mysterious culture and inner workings of the Eastern world, including the wealth and great size of the Mongol Empire and China in the Yuan Dynasty, giving their first comprehensive look into China, Persia, India, Japan and other Asian cities and countries.
Born in Venice, Marco learned the mercantile trade from his father and his uncle, Niccolò and Maffeo, who travelled through Asia and met Kublai Khan. In 1269, they returned to Venice to meet Marco for the first time. The three of them embarked on an epic journey to Asia, exploring many places along the Silk Road until they reached Cathay (China). They were received by the royal court of Kublai Khan, who was impressed by Marco's intelligence and humility. Marco was appointed to serve as Khan's foreign emissary, and he was sent on many diplomatic missions throughout the empire and Southeast Asia, such as in present-day Burma, India, Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Vietnam.[5][6]As part of this appointment, Marco also travelled extensively inside China, living in the emperor's lands for 17 years and seeing many things that had previously been unknown to Europeans.[7] Around 1291, the Polos also offered to accompany the Mongol princess Kököchin to Persia; they arrived around 1293. After leaving the princess, they travelled overland to Constantinople and then to Venice, returning home after 24 years.[7] At this time, Venice was at war withGenoa; Marco was captured and imprisoned by the Genoans after joining the war effort and dictated his stories to Rustichello da Pisa, a cellmate. He was released in 1299, became a wealthy merchant, married, and had three children. He died in 1324 and was buried in the church of San Lorenzo in Venice.
Though he was not the first European to reach China (see Europeans in Medieval China), Marco Polo was the first to leave a detailed chronicle of his experience. This account of the Orient provided the Europeans with a clear picture of the East's geography and ethnic customs, and was the first Western record of porcelain, coal, gunpowder, paper money, and some Asian plants and exotic animals.[8] His travel book inspired Christopher Columbus[9] and many other travellers. There is substantial literature based on Polo's writings; he also influenced European cartography, leading to the introduction of the Fra Mauro map.
MARCO!
And while I am not quite sure how Marco ended up here, he was portrayed by UM alum Ken Marshall in a 1982 miniseries. Had several classes with Ken as we were majoring in same fields at the time. Great guy and pretty smart.
I remember that miniseires - I didn't know that the Marco Polo actor was a Michigan alum. I learned two things about Marco Polo in the last 24 hours.
I actually thought that he was the first European to make it all the way to Shangdou and Beijing and meet the Khan dynasty rulers. Not great since I consider myself a history buff and specifically a European history buff.
Michigan's NIL approach made Carr's decision meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Just kind of an "add it to the pile" side story.
ND is basically right next door to Michigan and the stadium is very similar to the big house.
Pain.
Similar to the big house but smaller.
Like a leprechaun penis. Similar to a penis but, you know, smaller.
Fun Fact: did you know that adjusting for BMI, Rudy had a smaller normalized penis size than the average leprechaun?
The article on ESPN has a quote from CJ saying he never wanted to go to school close to home. If thats true that makes this less awful. And it dispels the nonsense that ND somehow has an amazing NIL game while ours sucks.
That said I am not rooting for CJ and I never will. Maybe that makes me a worse person than those who wish him well. Okay, I can accept that. I hope ND loses every game and CJ transfers to a non rival school.