Michigan vs. MSU year long scoreboard update (starting in the fall sports timeframe)

Submitted by phoolishphil on April 25th, 2022 at 10:08 AM

I am a grade school teacher who has a fair share of Michigan and MSU fans.  It always bugged me when kids come in to my Michigan decorated room and say how 'they' beat me in a sport. So I started making a chart to keep track of how Michigan and MSU faired against each other.  Now that they look at the 'tally' sheet, they don't talk 'smack' to me anymore.    

Not every sport is easy to follow, such as rowing, where MSU raced a couple events vs. Michigan at a recent even in Florida. At cross country meets I put the winning position first and then the 'losing' team after the slash i.e. 3rd/4th.

None the less, these are the sports where the two universities did play each other:

Michigan Wins

Field Hockey:  6-1

Volleyball:  3-0,3-1

Women's Soccer: 1-0

Men's Cross Country: 3rd/4th finish, and 2nd/5th finish

Women's Cross County: 3rd/4th finish

Women's Golf: (Big Ten Champs) 1st/2nd and 1st/5th, and 2nd/3rd

Hockey: 8-0,4-1,7-3,6-2,3-2,7-2

W. Gymnastics: 198.200/197.050 and 197.925/196.775

M. Basketball 87-70

W Basketball 62-51

Wrestling (Big Ten Champs) 24-13

Softball: 4-0,6-1

Baseball: 6-3,8-2,18-6

W. Tennis: 4-0

M. Tennis: 6-1

 

MSU wins: 

Women's cross country: 3rd/4th

Football: 37-33

M Basketball 83-67

W Basketball 63-57

 

Tie: Men's Soccer 2-2

 

Totals: 

Michigan 28

MSU 4

Tie 1

 

I know, this is long.  But it just made my Monday more enjoyable to put this down for all the Michigan supporters to enjoy (hopefully)

 

Go Blue! 

Watching From Afar

April 25th, 2022 at 10:24 AM ^

Rowing is hard to track when multiple teams race at 1 site but not necessarily against 1 another. Multiple duals go on between say, Michigan and Clemson on Friday while MSU faces Texas. Then they might switch on Saturday/the afternoon and Michigan gets Texas or some other team. It's kind of weird, but Michigan will race MSU directly, though you don't need to see it to know who's better.

The transitive property does work pretty well in rowing as a baseline. 1 of the most common ways rowing is tracked is through CMAX which is essentially just Team A beat Team B by 4 seconds and Team B beat Team C by 2 seconds so Team C is ~6 seconds slower than Team A. It's not perfect, especially since it doesn't take into account conditions and line up changes, but over the course of a season's worth of racing there aren't many surprises. A crew who is 15 seconds slower on paper never surprises and beats the faster crew. 2-3 seconds? Could happen.

That all being said, MSU hasn't been good in rowing for over a decade now. They had a really good 2 year run in the late 2000s with B2B Big Ten Championships, but fell off a cliff after that. Michigan is top dog in the Big Ten now, though OSU is still very good. Safe to put Michigan with the W there.

Also, I believe I saw a post earlier this spring or something that tracked the all-time record of Michigan v MSU in at least most sports. It was obscene how badly Michigan beats MSU is everything.

Perkis-Size Me

April 25th, 2022 at 11:42 AM ^

In some circles sure, but basketball still matters to those folks and Michigan still beats them at least once most years, not to mention has had greater collective tournament success over the last decade. 

As for losing to them in football this year, yeah it definitely sucked, but Michigan ended up in a better overall place. Beat the rival that matters more, won the conference, made the CFP. I'd happily lose to MSU every year for those results, because frankly they are not the measuring stick for this program. They never have been and they never will be. Would I rather beat them than not? Absolutely. But if you asked me where they are in the pecking order of priorities, they will never assume the top spot. Ever. 

That is how you respond back to MSU fans. Remind them that Michigan is their measuring stick, but they will never assume that role when it comes to how Michigan perceives them. Michigan has always had bigger goals for its season. 

So, yeah. Enjoy your utterly meaningless Peach Bowl trophy after barely scraping by Pitt's third string QB. 

 

lhglrkwg

April 25th, 2022 at 10:29 AM ^

Goes to show the overall quality of theMSU AD. Basically hope football and basketball are decent because they have nothing else to fall back on.
 

Their hockey team going 0-6 and getting outscored 35-10 is beautiful to see

CRISPed in the DIAG

April 25th, 2022 at 10:31 AM ^

MSU only cares about the football and basketball. And I suspect they place more emphasis on football wins against Michigan because they view us as a football school. 

If I'm honest most UM non-alumni will mostly care about football and basketball with little concern for the Olympic sports. 

Hab

April 25th, 2022 at 10:47 AM ^

I look forward to the day when this "rivalry" becomes far less of one and I can just go back to smug assuredness that we're better than them in every way, all of the time.

GOBLUE4EVR

April 25th, 2022 at 11:32 AM ^

when i was grade school in the late 80's early 90' i had the same teacher for 5th and 7th grade (Windsor didn't have middle schools) and he was an MSU alum and played baseball for MSU in the early 80's. his younger brother was a walk on for the MSU football team and is now one of the strength and conditioning coaches at MSU...

anyway me and my former teacher had a running bet for Michigan vs MSU football and basketball games. if i won he would get me 3 cheese burgers from McDonald's and if he won't he got to talk shit... lets just say i got a lot of cheese burgers back then and he even got them for me after the 1990 game because he knew that Desmond got tripped in the end zone and there should have been a flag thrown...

AC1997

April 25th, 2022 at 1:19 PM ^

It is obviously petty and a little silly.....but also something that I totally would have done.  One suggestion I might make is to use this tool as a way to be more inclusive.  While football and basketball are what everyone cares about, they certainly aren't activities that most of the students are going to excel at as they grow older.  Celebrating the women's sports, the olympic sports, and the non-revenue sports gives you an opportunity to reach more of your kids than the ones who just pay attention to football one week a year. 

Through that lens I might encourage you to expand it even further beyond only sports.  

M_Born M_Believer

April 25th, 2022 at 2:21 PM ^

I actually do not see this as petty, you are a school teacher.  You are providing a lesson to your kids to see the bigger picture.  I would also add the educational ranking as well.  

Just looked at 2022 US News latest rankings (Overall):

Northwestern - #9

Michigan - #23

Wisconsin - #42

Illinois - #47

Purdue - #49

Ohio State - #49

Maryland - #59

Penn State - #63

Rutgers - #63

Indiana - #68

Minnesota - #68

Iowa - #83

MSU - #83

Nebraska - #136

Particular Schools:

Business - 

Michigan #4

Engineering

Michigan #6 / MSU #45

Medical Research

Michigan - #7 / MSU NA

Medical Internal Medicine

Michigan - #17 / MSU NA

Medical Primary Care

Michigan - #20 / MSU NA

Mr. Robot

April 25th, 2022 at 11:46 PM ^

Man do I love reading that hockey line. If Portillo doesn't come out of the home game he had a shutout going and finished the job in the last minutes, they'd have needed every goal from the entire six games just to muster a tie for the 8-0 game.

It really is kind of sad how hard they have fallen in hockey. I know opinions differ on this in general, but I think of MSU as the top rival for most non-football sports and at the rate they're headed, OSU might pass them in hockey too by default.