Michigan vs. MSU year long scoreboard update (starting in the fall sports timeframe)
I am a grade school teacher who has a fair share of Michigan and MSU fans. It always bugged me when kids come in to my Michigan decorated room and say how 'they' beat me in a sport. So I started making a chart to keep track of how Michigan and MSU faired against each other. Now that they look at the 'tally' sheet, they don't talk 'smack' to me anymore.
Not every sport is easy to follow, such as rowing, where MSU raced a couple events vs. Michigan at a recent even in Florida. At cross country meets I put the winning position first and then the 'losing' team after the slash i.e. 3rd/4th.
None the less, these are the sports where the two universities did play each other:
Michigan Wins
Field Hockey: 6-1
Volleyball: 3-0,3-1
Women's Soccer: 1-0
Men's Cross Country: 3rd/4th finish, and 2nd/5th finish
Women's Cross County: 3rd/4th finish
Women's Golf: (Big Ten Champs) 1st/2nd and 1st/5th, and 2nd/3rd
Hockey: 8-0,4-1,7-3,6-2,3-2,7-2
W. Gymnastics: 198.200/197.050 and 197.925/196.775
M. Basketball 87-70
W Basketball 62-51
Wrestling (Big Ten Champs) 24-13
Softball: 4-0,6-1
Baseball: 6-3,8-2,18-6
W. Tennis: 4-0
M. Tennis: 6-1
MSU wins:
Women's cross country: 3rd/4th
Football: 37-33
M Basketball 83-67
W Basketball 63-57
Tie: Men's Soccer 2-2
Totals:
Michigan 28
MSU 4
Tie 1
I know, this is long. But it just made my Monday more enjoyable to put this down for all the Michigan supporters to enjoy (hopefully)
Go Blue!
April 25th, 2022 at 10:11 AM ^
I do appreciate your work on this but it’s pretty funny to think that you did this just to get back at some grade schoolers
April 25th, 2022 at 10:15 AM ^
Funny...but wholly appropriate.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:57 AM ^
As Michael Jordan once astutely said....
April 25th, 2022 at 10:18 AM ^
Funny but completely appropriate - they need to learn their place early
April 25th, 2022 at 10:25 AM ^
I found it funny, but was wondering if it was appropriate. I see clearly now that it was not only funny but also appropriate.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:31 AM ^
Yes, and you're also working in a little math lesson
Teaching the kids is easier than teaching the immature Sparty nation.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:35 AM ^
He could've given them all wedgies, but I think that's frowned upon nowadays.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:39 PM ^
Probably have a few little brothers in these classes who feel disrespected
It’s never too early to set an example for a child.
April 26th, 2022 at 12:05 PM ^
Don't forget, those grade schoolers have parents at home that probably get the information passed on to them through their kids. So, there's that part of it too.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:14 AM ^
85% winning percentage 🏆
Go blue! And take that you little nose-miners 😆
April 25th, 2022 at 10:16 AM ^
I am here for this level of pettiness(sincerely a compliment in this context).
Well Done!
April 25th, 2022 at 10:24 AM ^
Rowing is hard to track when multiple teams race at 1 site but not necessarily against 1 another. Multiple duals go on between say, Michigan and Clemson on Friday while MSU faces Texas. Then they might switch on Saturday/the afternoon and Michigan gets Texas or some other team. It's kind of weird, but Michigan will race MSU directly, though you don't need to see it to know who's better.
The transitive property does work pretty well in rowing as a baseline. 1 of the most common ways rowing is tracked is through CMAX which is essentially just Team A beat Team B by 4 seconds and Team B beat Team C by 2 seconds so Team C is ~6 seconds slower than Team A. It's not perfect, especially since it doesn't take into account conditions and line up changes, but over the course of a season's worth of racing there aren't many surprises. A crew who is 15 seconds slower on paper never surprises and beats the faster crew. 2-3 seconds? Could happen.
That all being said, MSU hasn't been good in rowing for over a decade now. They had a really good 2 year run in the late 2000s with B2B Big Ten Championships, but fell off a cliff after that. Michigan is top dog in the Big Ten now, though OSU is still very good. Safe to put Michigan with the W there.
Also, I believe I saw a post earlier this spring or something that tracked the all-time record of Michigan v MSU in at least most sports. It was obscene how badly Michigan beats MSU is everything.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:29 AM ^
It's pretty funny you did this BUT that football game is what matters to everyone. No excuse in that loss
April 25th, 2022 at 10:32 AM ^
yes, and no. there is one excuse that packs a punch: https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2021/11/jim-harbaugh-officials-should-have-never-overturned-michigan-td.html
April 25th, 2022 at 10:33 AM ^
I dunno, the refs gifting state 7 points, taking 7 away from us and refusing to call blatant penalties against them all game seem like a pretty good reason for a road loss (not, excuses mind you - just reasons).
April 25th, 2022 at 10:51 AM ^
Or you could still win the game.
April 25th, 2022 at 11:41 AM ^
Alas, if only the guys on the team were as mentally tough as keyboard warriors like yourself - then a literal 17-20 point swing just wouldn’t matter when playing a top 10ish team on the road, right?
April 25th, 2022 at 11:44 AM ^
Right we were ahead by about 2 touchdowns
April 25th, 2022 at 11:42 AM ^
In some circles sure, but basketball still matters to those folks and Michigan still beats them at least once most years, not to mention has had greater collective tournament success over the last decade.
As for losing to them in football this year, yeah it definitely sucked, but Michigan ended up in a better overall place. Beat the rival that matters more, won the conference, made the CFP. I'd happily lose to MSU every year for those results, because frankly they are not the measuring stick for this program. They never have been and they never will be. Would I rather beat them than not? Absolutely. But if you asked me where they are in the pecking order of priorities, they will never assume the top spot. Ever.
That is how you respond back to MSU fans. Remind them that Michigan is their measuring stick, but they will never assume that role when it comes to how Michigan perceives them. Michigan has always had bigger goals for its season.
So, yeah. Enjoy your utterly meaningless Peach Bowl trophy after barely scraping by Pitt's third string QB.
you sound like a sparty. they finished 3rd, we went to the CFP. That matters to smart people.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:29 AM ^
Goes to show the overall quality of theMSU AD. Basically hope football and basketball are decent because they have nothing else to fall back on.
Their hockey team going 0-6 and getting outscored 35-10 is beautiful to see
April 25th, 2022 at 10:31 AM ^
MSU only cares about the football and basketball. And I suspect they place more emphasis on football wins against Michigan because they view us as a football school.
If I'm honest most UM non-alumni will mostly care about football and basketball with little concern for the Olympic sports.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:34 AM ^
Fair, now let’s compare academics . . .
April 25th, 2022 at 11:04 AM ^
I remember, at least a few years ago, that they were pretty proud of their DO program, so that's a source of some laughs.
I think MSU cares about hockey too. At least they once did.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:34 AM ^
you know OP, you could dole out some discipline with a really nice 'M' paddle....
put an end to the jr. sparty trash talk very quickly.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:44 AM ^
Thanks, XM. You just brought back all the memories from elementary school that I had managed to repress. Those penguins didn't mess around.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:50 AM ^
and judging from your miscreant posting, the penguins failed to straighten you out!
April 25th, 2022 at 10:47 AM ^
I look forward to the day when this "rivalry" becomes far less of one and I can just go back to smug assuredness that we're better than them in every way, all of the time.
April 25th, 2022 at 11:22 AM ^
Yet all we will hear until October is that they beat UM in football
April 25th, 2022 at 11:29 AM ^
Little Bro just being Little Bro
April 25th, 2022 at 11:32 AM ^
when i was grade school in the late 80's early 90' i had the same teacher for 5th and 7th grade (Windsor didn't have middle schools) and he was an MSU alum and played baseball for MSU in the early 80's. his younger brother was a walk on for the MSU football team and is now one of the strength and conditioning coaches at MSU...
anyway me and my former teacher had a running bet for Michigan vs MSU football and basketball games. if i won he would get me 3 cheese burgers from McDonald's and if he won't he got to talk shit... lets just say i got a lot of cheese burgers back then and he even got them for me after the 1990 game because he knew that Desmond got tripped in the end zone and there should have been a flag thrown...
April 25th, 2022 at 11:53 AM ^
Perhaps you could prepare them for their future as Staae fans by giving them extra credit every time they whine.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:14 PM ^
Giving them noogies would have been easier
April 25th, 2022 at 12:29 PM ^
owning little kids is the level of petty i aspire to be.
well done, sir, and +1 to you and yours.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:54 PM ^
Facts matter. Good job of using them.
It is obviously petty and a little silly.....but also something that I totally would have done. One suggestion I might make is to use this tool as a way to be more inclusive. While football and basketball are what everyone cares about, they certainly aren't activities that most of the students are going to excel at as they grow older. Celebrating the women's sports, the olympic sports, and the non-revenue sports gives you an opportunity to reach more of your kids than the ones who just pay attention to football one week a year.
Through that lens I might encourage you to expand it even further beyond only sports.
Your analysis is biased. You left out couch burning.
I actually do not see this as petty, you are a school teacher. You are providing a lesson to your kids to see the bigger picture. I would also add the educational ranking as well.
Just looked at 2022 US News latest rankings (Overall):
Northwestern - #9
Michigan - #23
Wisconsin - #42
Illinois - #47
Purdue - #49
Ohio State - #49
Maryland - #59
Penn State - #63
Rutgers - #63
Indiana - #68
Minnesota - #68
Iowa - #83
MSU - #83
Nebraska - #136
Particular Schools:
Business -
Michigan #4
Engineering
Michigan #6 / MSU #45
Medical Research
Michigan - #7 / MSU NA
Medical Internal Medicine
Michigan - #17 / MSU NA
Medical Primary Care
Michigan - #20 / MSU NA
"Hahahaha, got 'em!!"
-Jimmy Duggan
I really wish I gave a damn about all this. But the only score I care about is 33-37 in football.
Deliciously petty...I love it.
That football score though. THAT needs to be straightened out.
God bless you!
April 25th, 2022 at 11:46 PM ^
Man do I love reading that hockey line. If Portillo doesn't come out of the home game he had a shutout going and finished the job in the last minutes, they'd have needed every goal from the entire six games just to muster a tie for the 8-0 game.
It really is kind of sad how hard they have fallen in hockey. I know opinions differ on this in general, but I think of MSU as the top rival for most non-football sports and at the rate they're headed, OSU might pass them in hockey too by default.
Since you're a teacher and you might be teaching them the word, "nonetheless" is one word, not three.