Michigan under Harbaugh: 1-8 when allowing 30+ points
The only win was a 48-41 2OT win in 2015 vs Indiana. There was also a 45-28 win over Colorado in 2016 that almost counted but even then 14 of our points were special teams TDs and one of the TDs given up was defensive TD.
The point being in 4+ seasons under Harbaugh (55 games) our offense has definitively won us one game? And even that one required 2 OTs and a game tying TD as time expired to break 30. Obviously the more points you give up the harder it is to win but shouldn't we expect our offense to be able to bail our defense out even 2% of the time?
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:26 PM ^
For some context, Lloyd Carr was 9-18 when the other team scored 30 points. Yeah Harbaugh should be better than 1-8, but Michigan football has never intended to get into shootouts.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:31 PM ^
So Harbaugh's winning percentage is worse than Carr's, despite the fact that Harbaugh is an offensive coach in an era when scoring 30 is now the new norm. Who cares what Michigan football has intended to do in the past, our past 15 years have been dreadful. Maybe we should change our plan?
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:15 PM ^
You're right, this is a fine metric by which to measure a head coach. Jim Harbaugh is the worst coach in the history of Michigan football since Kipke (with Bo Schembechler close behind); Brady Hoke was the best. Hoke was even better than Jim Tressel; I can't figure out why we ever fired that guy.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:46 PM ^
Well maybe Michigan Football should change with the times and try to score some damn points before it becomes synonymous with other power houses on offense.... like Navy... and Georgia Tech.... lol
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:28 PM ^
Well his record would be better if the defense gave up more points all those games where we won 42-7.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:34 PM ^
Yes, the offense sucks ass we’ve seen a million of the same posts. Part of me thinks Harbaugh knows this is his last season and is headed back to the NFL and that’s why he gave up play calling duties. I’m not ready to give up on this team yet. We looked like shit last year too, and responded with 10 straight wins after the Notre Dame again. I think we’ve seen enough of Josh Gattis. Harbaugh needs to take complete control of this offense and not be a emotionless spectator. No doubt he’s lost this team as of now. Still scared as shit of the post Harbaugh era, if he couldn’t bring M back who can? No big time coach is leaving their current job for a Job you’ll get fired for averaging 10 wins.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:36 PM ^
"Part of me thinks Harbaugh knows this is his last season and is headed back to the NFL."
Username very much checks out.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:34 PM ^
What's the average record of teams that allow 30+ points?
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:35 PM ^
but shouldn't we expect our offense to be able to bail our defense out even 2% of the time?
Isn't 1/8 12.5%? [edit: 1/9 = 11.1%, misread the stat]
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:30 PM ^
S/he divided by the total number of games, not the total number of 30+ games. Which is right depends on what you mean by "of the time."
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^
W-L of 1-8 is 11% of the time. Quit bitching. Fact is Man ball is what Tressel and LLLoyd used and they didn't pull off that many routes either.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:21 PM ^
Times change. Needs change. Teams change or get left behind.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:31 PM ^
Yes, we saw this weekend how badly Wisconsin needs to modernize their offense. You can't just maul P5 teams of the stature of Michigan any more. Doesn't work.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:46 PM ^
Look, Michigan is 0-142 in games in which I have not played for the team and they lost.
I'm just waiting for the next statistic someone spouts to highlight our ineptitude as a program and doesn't rationally include the pros.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:59 PM ^
Get this man on the team for god’s sake!
September 23rd, 2019 at 4:37 PM ^
I apparently jump real good for a white guy in his thirties.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:58 PM ^
"1-8" ... "even 2% of the time"
Math is hard.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:03 PM ^
How many times do we need to be reminded that UM underachieves?
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:27 PM ^
It is funny because I have plenty of "Michigan hater" friends that say that and they always act like we (Michigan fans) don't already fucking know that
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:06 PM ^
We're not allowed to show disparaging stats against Harbaugh. It's not fair. He took us to national relevance again.
Which, btw, how as Haruabugh actually done this? We see all these stats on how poor Michigan is on the road, against better or equal foes, against ranked teams, yadda yadda yadda, and yet, people say he took us to relevance. I don't think getting our butts handed to us by better/equal competition is being relevant. Michigan/Harbaugh is the butt-end of jokes nationwide. No one takes Michigan serious.
Sure, Harbaugh recruits well....so did Hoke.
Hoke has been no different than Harbaugh, other than we have a slightly more competent offense and can put away lesser opponents.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:15 PM ^
Harbaugh 's defenses have only given up 30+ points 9 times?
Wow, Oklahoma did that 7 times, just last year!
Of course, this is just another reason they are going through the transition nightmare, so they can be a team that has a Dynamic offense and win shootouts.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:23 PM ^
Yeah, but it's probably going to happen 5-6 times this year alone.
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^
And if we go 4-2 and beat OSU, isn't that the whole point.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:33 PM ^
That Indiana game also involved Jehu Chesson becoming Randy Moss for a few hours. It was super fun, but never felt sustainable.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:43 PM ^
But 1-0 when scoring 78.
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:29 PM ^
What do you know. When your opponent scores a lot of points they tend to beat you....
Everyone knows Michigan's offense under harbaugh is a plodding disaster. That is why falling behind early is so demoralizing. It's been this way for 5 years.
After Taylor broke that 70 yard run I knew we were going to lose.
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:41 PM ^
Not a surprise. The Harbaugh offenses do not score enough to overcome 30 or more points.
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:55 PM ^
We're trying to win games with our defense in an era where everything is set up to encourage more scoring.
September 23rd, 2019 at 4:40 PM ^
Data like this requires context for analysis. Lloyd Carr went 9-18 over his career at Michigan when the opposition scored 30 or more points over 13 seasons. Much smaller sample size for Harbaugh, and i’d Put my finger on our QB injuries as being a significant contributor to Harbaugh’s numbers.
September 23rd, 2019 at 5:00 PM ^
39-7 when allowing less that 30 pts.
September 23rd, 2019 at 8:14 PM ^
Most teams that give up 30+ points in a game usually lose said game.
September 24th, 2019 at 3:06 AM ^
This is a ridiculous analysis. Of course we lose most if not all games where opponents score over 30+. Do you think even Saban won over a fourth of his games his first 5-6 years at Bama when he gave up about 30+ points? Not a chance.