A Lot of Milk

August 29th, 2020 at 11:55 PM ^

Very proud of the team and it's a testament to the work they've put in and how seriously they take it. Unfortunately, teams like MSU, Rutgers, and Oklahoma are gonna ruin it for everyone by infecting the healthy teams. It's not a Michigan issue, it's that a single rotten apple will ruin the bunch

BoFan

August 30th, 2020 at 12:22 AM ^

He just took the votes. Who would you like to blame. It is certainly not the team or the coaches fault:

Maybe:

How about the reckless SEC with 1000s of cases on campus at Alabama where all they care about is the chance of another NC. Saban is already trying to undermine the potential for the P12 and B10 playing in the Spring or Winter. He’s showing his true intentions and It’s not about the players. 

Or maybe just blame the leadership who said it would go away by now. 
 

The team can only control what is in front of them and they are truly leaders in this situation.  

JonnyHintz

August 30th, 2020 at 9:09 AM ^

*sigh* really sad this has to continue to be explained. 
 

0 positive cases is great. But let’s account for the fact that these tests occurred while the football team was in essential isolation. Now we’re adding students to campus. Where we see places like the University of Alabama with 1,000 new cases in less than two weeks. 
 

Then add in the fact that you have to travel to play other schools. 0 positives is great until you go play someone like Oklahoma that has lost an entire position group to CoVid positives already. That turns your 0 into an outbreak pretty quick. 
 

Warren’s son playing football has nothing to do with Kevin Warren. It’s really weak to even bring it up. His son is in the SEC and is subject to THEIR rules. Aside from that, his son is an adult who is not held to the decisions of his dad. 
 

Nor is Kevin Warren responsible for postponing the season. That falls directly on the presidents. 
 

https://bigten.org/sports/2018/6/13/big-ten-council-of-presidents-and-chancellors.aspx

 

jmblue

August 30th, 2020 at 2:37 PM ^

People have been arguing that football itself is inherently risky, that gathering 100+ young men is the fundamental problem.  We have evidence here that this isn't necessarily the case. 

But now you're arguing something very different, which is that being on campus with 40-50,000 other young people might lead to too many infections.  That might well be true, but what does that have to do with football?  Why is it "safe" to have 40,000 students on campus but not safe to have 100 of them play football?  This is the logical inconsistency that no one has properly addressed. 

We're not talking about these guys either quarantining at home or being on campus and playing football.  We are talking about either 1) being on campus and not playing sports or 2) being on campus and playing sports.  Why would these athletes be more likely to test positive in the latter context, in which they have a powerful incentive to not get infected (an infection means getting excluding from the team) vs. the former context, in which they have no incentive at all?

As for Warren and his son, it's absolutely a relevant point.  Warren has stressed that his son is an adult and should have the right to make that decision himself.  I agree with him there.  What I don't understand is why he won't allow Big Ten athletes to make this decision themselves. 

If we do not have a season and other conferences do, it will be a PR disaster for the league and will hurt us going forward.  It will be used against us in recruiting.  "The Big Ten won't treat you like an adult.  Go there, and you're not guaranteed to have a season."

 

JonnyHintz

August 30th, 2020 at 6:21 PM ^

Football itself IS inherently risky. Just because Michigan football has handled it well so far doesn’t mean other schools have or will. Rutgers and MSU have had outbreaks already. Oklahoma has had an entire position group get it. Now again, playing those teams is how you get your 0 positive cases and then turn it into an outbreak. Which you’re then bringing back to campus and spreading around there as well. The problem with pointing out that Michigan has good numbers, is that Michigan doesn’t play against Michigan. 
 

Ive argued the entire time that having 40-50k people on campus is going to lead to too many infections. I don’t foresee in-person school to be a viable option moving forward. As we’re seeing with multiple universities and their numbers so far. But in regards to football specifically, the issue is, again, that by having a traveling sports team you are now risking a spread between schools and communities. The University of Alabama has over 1,000 new positive tests in less than two weeks. Is it not increasing the risk by sending a team to play a game against Alabama? Which you then risk bringing back to your own campus and increase the positive results there? 
 

But no, Warren’s son is absolutely not a relevant point. I’ve said this multiple times and it takes a MOMENT to research. Warren. Did. Not. Cancel. The. Season. The school presidents hold that power. Not Warren. Warren has been a punching bag for this incredibly weak take and it’s not even his decision to make. He doesn’t hold the power to cancel the season. He works FOR the presidents who hold the ultimate responsibility and authority for all policy and decision making. Warren’s son being able to play football in the SEC is completely irrelevant to the B1G presidents deciding to cancel. And regardless of whether Warren believes we should play or not, he doesn’t have the ability to decide that for his son. 

LeCheezus

August 31st, 2020 at 7:48 AM ^

Wasting your time.  Almost everyone has either decided football should not be played no matter what or that it should be played, and will shade every piece of news, study, outbreak or lack of outbreak to adjust and recalibrate their reasons for supporting their decision/opinion.  Which is whatever, since most major media outlets and politicians are constantly doing the same thing.  

What irks me on the board are the vocal group that are practically ready to claim a moral national championship for "doing the right thing" and not playing.  I could have told you in March that the SEC and the ACC were going to play, or at least try to play, no matter what.  They care that much about it.  It's ok that you don't, but the B1G/Pac12 aren't getting any moral victory trophies, get over it.

 

snarling wolverine

August 30th, 2020 at 2:42 PM ^

Warren’s son playing football has nothing to do with Kevin Warren. It’s really weak to even bring it up. His son is in the SEC and is subject to THEIR rules. Aside from that, his son is an adult who is not held to the decisions of his dad.

Well, as commissioner of the Big Ten, maybe he could propose different rules.  And aren't Big Ten players the same age as SEC players?   Why do we need to be so patronizing toward our athletes if other conferences aren't?

JonnyHintz

August 30th, 2020 at 6:08 PM ^

As commissioner of the Big Ten, he works for the Council of Presidents and Chancellors. Who hold all authority and responsibility for B1G policy and governance. Meaning it is THEIR decision whether or not there’s a season and when it may occur, not Warren’s. Warren can propose whatever he wants. It’s not his call. He could be 110% in favor of playing, but it’s still not his call. 
 

But regardless, The point is that his son isn’t held to what his father says or does. That’s the beauty of being 18+. 

Qmatic

August 30th, 2020 at 2:09 AM ^

I feel for these kids to have to sit and watch the SEC where dozens of individuals on each team have probably tested positive and get to play. Proof that doing the right thing isn’t always fair

uminks

August 30th, 2020 at 4:11 AM ^

SEC are letting their players get infected on purpose before the season, since they will have immunity and other teams may lose a lot of starters during the season in the ACC and Big 12. I would not be surprised that there will be 3 playoff teams from the SEC this season. I guess they don't care about the more dangerous secondary effects for young people.

uminks

August 30th, 2020 at 4:19 AM ^

Actually, I'm glad nobody on the team has COVID. I hope they keep the practice up through the fall semester. This will help the players from leaving campus and going to parties or out with friends where they run a much larger risk of getting infected with COVID. Also, testing as much as possible during the weak will allow players to know if they test positive they can receive more medical attention for the secondary heart muscle infection. If they were on their own, they may get infected with COVID with no symptoms and the virus could infect their heart muscles and they may not know it for months if the team did not practice through the fall semester. It will be tough on the kids watching other teams play.

MichiganStan

August 30th, 2020 at 5:25 AM ^

Its probably best though if your players get it before the season starts instead of all during the season

Perkis-Size Me

August 30th, 2020 at 5:51 AM ^

They certainly worked their asses off to do that and they should be commended, but as you alluded to, you are only as strong as your weakest link. So places like Rutgers go and ruin it for everyone else. 

bronxblue

August 30th, 2020 at 8:54 AM ^

Yeah, credit to UM athletes for taking this seriously and being safe.  It's depressing that large swaths of college football (and even UM's general community) can't seem to follow that lead.

JamieH

August 30th, 2020 at 1:25 PM ^

Football could have been played if people had been willing to isolate the players.  Give them their own dorm.  Give the access to a good cafeteria and some in-dorm recreation.  Have them do classes online.

It could have been done.  It probably would have required dispensation from the NCAA, but it could have happened.  I bet 90% of the players would have chosen isolation + playing over what we have now.

MGoBlue96

August 30th, 2020 at 11:38 PM ^

As others pointed out great job for the team on their discipline, but pretty meaningless without students on campus right now and also can not control how discipline other teams are.

ItOffishul

September 10th, 2020 at 2:33 AM ^

Harbaugh did everything he could to follow the rules and guidelines to a tee and now Schlissel isn't even speaking with him. Such a travesty IMO I don't care what the chain of command is and all that business we all know how important football is to this city and institution. Disgusting to me.