Mel Tucker releases Statement in Response to Tracy Allegations

Submitted by BlueinPhilly on September 11th, 2023 at 6:22 PM

https://www.si.com/college/michiganstate/football/mel-tucker-lawyer-releases-statement-calls-allegations-of-sexual-harassment-completely-false-msu-091123

Makes a brief mention of Harbaugh, which Harbaugh said he doesn't know anything about.  Lots to unpack here.  Is it a Title IX investigation or not? If it isn't, why wouldn't the AD have known about it sooner?

BoFan

September 11th, 2023 at 8:46 PM ^

It seems Harbaugh was the first college coach to hire her for a couple of years. She didn’t get retained by UofM after 2020.  

Separately this heart wrenching story came up from a mom about a young lady who was troubled and eventually died after being raped by football players.  Harbaugh as described in that story sounded caring and was ready to take action if they could tell him the names of the players. There didn’t seem to be any criticism of Harbaugh in the story.   Rather he reached out proactively   

Tracy wasn’t involved in the Mom and girl’s story, but claims the mom reached out to her to ask about her connection to Harbaugh.  
 

She then tweeted she felt there was a connection between the timing of that girl’s story and her not being retained by UofM.  That is quite a presumption on her part and odd that she would suggest a wild presumption publicly.

It appears Mel, who hired her for two years and then hadn’t yet retained her for the next year, is suggesting there is a pattern. 

Wendyk5

September 12th, 2023 at 11:33 AM ^

To insinuate that a woman would go to these lengths  -- make a sexual harassment claim against someone which will undoubtedly sink his career and humiliate him for all the world to see because of a cancelled speaking engagement --  is laughable, and borderline misogynistic. The real tell, though, is your use of quotation marks around the word 'speak.' There are some real gems in our midst. 

GoBlue-Pittsburgh

September 13th, 2023 at 1:45 AM ^

The article I read wanted to connect it to the alleged rape story (that is me being legally factual not offering any opinion on the rape) and Harbaugh's response to it--and the story noted multiple times that despite arranging yearly visits, she never returned after 2019. I have no idea what I was supposed to make of this other than Mel brings up Harbaugh, Harbaugh gives a statement, Taylor praised Harbaugh's statement, and thus a story was born. 

 https://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/mel-tucker-jim-harbaugh-s…

Aristotle

September 11th, 2023 at 6:31 PM ^

The plot thickens, consent is the central issue here and if he has receipts showing the consensual nature of the relationship it's going to cost MSU a lot more money to make him go away.

jhayes1189

September 11th, 2023 at 8:52 PM ^

USA Today article goes into more details about their relationship. From reading it, it sounds like the phone sex was not consensual, but she had said things that he claims caused him to “stumble into the act”. That is at least how Tucker would describe his actions. 

 

From reading the USA Today article, there was about a year or so of phone records proving they had spoken very often, pretty much always at night, and seemingly about much more than work, but personal things including how they were very much both into each other. All the smoke seems to point to there being some kind of very situationally inappropriate relationship going on (married man, should be strictly professional from both sides). Sounds like an emotional affair in the midst of a marriage Tucker was “unsatisfied with”. 

All that being said, the phone sex still sounded like it wildly took Tracy off guard and put her in a traumatic, speechless state.

 

Creedence Tapes

September 11th, 2023 at 10:16 PM ^

Say what? What part of him admitting to consensual phone sex is sexual assault? Sexual assault by definition is not consensual. You could make a case that what he is admitting to can qualify as sexual harassment, given the power dynamics, but even that might be a stretch if it was indeed consensual. It still might be inappropriate, but not necessarily a crime.

As others have said, it sounds like there is more to this what was initially said, if there is evidence that the person making the accusations was participating willingly. 

Hensons Mobile…

September 11th, 2023 at 10:44 PM ^

"As others have said, it sounds like there is more to this what was initially said, if there is evidence that the person making the accusations was participating willingly."

What's the new information since Sunday? There were no revelations in his press release about their relationship or the incident that wasn't in the initial USA Today story.

Wendyk5

September 12th, 2023 at 11:39 AM ^

It's crazy to me that people read prepared statements by the accused and think, "Well, that's that. He's telling the truth." Especially when large parts of their story make no sense, or they pull in other excuses like race or gender when there is literally no evidence of that. Statements like these are written by attorneys with agendas in mind. This isn't fact; it's designed to get you to doubt the accuser, to set up a framework for a defense in the interest of a negotiation, and to generate sympathy for Mel in the court of public opinion. 

MI Expat NY

September 11th, 2023 at 8:10 PM ^

This is a lawyer's letter through and through, there is exactly one note in there (the comment about how they would look with their clothes off) that connects to Tucker's version of the call, and conveniently there's no evidence of it happening.  Everything else preceding the call is either irrelevant or would be consistent with a professional relationship where two individuals get along well.  

This is exactly the type of legal tactics that make it so hard for victims of sexual assault/harassment to come forward.  All it takes is one reasonably well crafted lawyer's statement full of vague statements, an accusatory tone, and the twisting of innocent conduct to make the gullible and those inclined to think every woman was asking for it to have doubts and think there are "two sides."

MGlobules

September 12th, 2023 at 9:11 AM ^

And a good example of this, for me, is the way I hear people saying--heard myself thinking--well, if they were talking a lot and had developed a relationship then that's going to cast doubt on her story/be an extenuating circumstance once negotiations begin.

But we tend to forget that women--everyone--is allowed to be interested in or attracted to someone. It's not so hard to see that especially for someone with a history like hers thinking you're finding a relationship and then discovering that the guy is obsessive and getting scary on you. . . 

It's also pretty natural to dump voice messages that remind you of something that got ugly. You might wish you had them later. 

Wendyk5

September 12th, 2023 at 12:04 PM ^

This exactly. I had a phone relationship with a vendor when I was in my early 20's, and I loved talking to him, and it got flirtatious but that in no way means he can jack off during one of our phone conversations. Great phone rapport is not a natural lead in to masturbation if it's not explicitly invited. 

The Oracle 2

September 11th, 2023 at 9:57 PM ^

He didn’t exercise good judgement, but beyond that, none of us really know what happened between them. He deserves the opportunity to make his case and no one should automatically believe anyone they don’t know well. I read somewhere in this thread that she admitted to deleting texts. Interesting, if true.

GoBlue-Pittsburgh

September 13th, 2023 at 1:49 AM ^

I don't know if I agree. Yes consensual makes him look like less of a slimeball, but he still engaged in a relationship with someone whose business partnership with the program he controlled and whose speaking engagement was mysteriously postpones until after the season. I'm sorry but if you are trying to reach serious athletes on a topic, you talk before the season and the school year starts, when the knowledge is more likely to be helpful. She was not his employee, but there was still a serious power imbalance. Not saying MSU won't end up paying something in the end no matter the facts just to make the story go away, but I think the firing is just as justified even if consensual. 

yossarians tree

September 11th, 2023 at 6:32 PM ^

It's scurrilous and weird and fireable, to be sure, but if he has evidence that she wished him happy Father's Day and asked to come back to campus months later, that raises some questions. 

MI Expat NY

September 11th, 2023 at 8:14 PM ^

She's essentially a consultant and must forge individual relationships to keep working.  Wishing others a good holiday is absolutely a reasonable professional step.  

The flip side to the father's day card (if it even exists), who wishes someone a happy father's day in order to try and start an intimate relationship?  

jhayes1189

September 11th, 2023 at 9:02 PM ^

USA Today article explains how they have phone records of about a years worth of nighttime conversations. The article which seems pretty neutral to each side talks about how they were definitely “more than friends” and the relationship had slipped to beyond professional, and were in some sort of emotional affair. However, the phone sex act itself caught Tracy waaaaay off guard and traumatized her. 
 

This is just the words from USA Today, don’t shoot the messenger. 

softshoes

September 12th, 2023 at 9:50 AM ^

You wish them Happy Father's Day after the relationship has started. 

I've no dog in this but they spent a lot of time together on the phone, a lot. More than a professional relationship would require. To me her story doesn't ring all together true either.

None of this matters as far as Tuck coaching msu again. They needed a reason to broom him and he handed them a silver one.