Mel Tucker being offered 10yr $95 million - craziness

Submitted by Wolverrrrrrroudy on November 19th, 2021 at 7:11 AM

Pays to be at the right place at the right time.  He's 16-13 as a head coach - with one season at Colorado and two at MSU.  If you take away 9 -1 record this season he was 7-12 coming into this season.  

matty blue

November 19th, 2021 at 11:54 AM ^

point taken, and fair enough.  i didn't think that part through very well.  he has indeed benefitted from some holdovers from the dantonio era. that said, he's had  a hand in the development of that talent (payton thorne, for example) and found some, too (walker, obviously).

i guess that when i say "his guys" i'm more referring to the roster transformation of all those transfers.  i can't speak intelligently to how much the non-walker guys have contributed (i hate sparty way too much to spend time figuring it out), but i have a hard time thinking this is dantonio's locker room.  i think that's what i mean by "his guys."

i'm not saying that tucker is The Man, or that sparty is some juggernaut in the making.  there are lots and lots of reasons to wonder if it's sustainable.  that said, the larry coker reference was not an accident.  coker was (yes, in retrospect) over his head in miami - i just don't get that sense with this guy.  maybe he's bobby williams, but i don't think so.

 

MarkyMarkWitho…

November 19th, 2021 at 11:09 AM ^

"these are mostly his guys"

Uh, whut? 

He has one of the highest amounts of transfer players on his roster in the COUNTRY.

His rent-a-player approach got him Walker, but there are a crap-ton of players that are NOT "his guys".

His recruiting isn't amazing either, with the 46th ranked class in 2021 - with only 19 commits - of which only 12 are still with the program ALREADY.

https://247sports.com/season/2021-football/compositeteamrankings/

"his guys" LOL

DetroitBlue

November 19th, 2021 at 11:25 AM ^

Serious question - which banned troll are you? 
 

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You are pathetic - maybe get a hobby or just, you know, go away

 

 

 

AMazinBlue

November 19th, 2021 at 8:59 AM ^

When a new coach beats Michigan twice in his first two years (first MSU coach to do so) in their Super Bowl and the program has had its second greatest run against us in its history (10-4 since 2008), and megadonors pony up the cash, you offer him a huge check. 

Problem is, if those same donors want QB "X" to play instead of Tucker's choice, guess what he has to do?  Look at Lincoln Riley at OU, he has the same problem.

Tucker is a very good coach and he brings the same hatred for UM that Dantonio had, but that isn't hard to when blowhards like Taylor Lewan open their traps.

To turn this disturbing trend around, UM needs to shut up and win the damn game. Refs be dammed.

mGrowOld

November 19th, 2021 at 9:00 AM ^

Seriously OP?

You've been here 10 years and think that news regarding the HC of our biggest in-state rival was somehow missed by everyone here for three days?????

If I'm not mistaken the orignial thread on this was created about 3 minutes after the Freep article posted.  

GPCharles

November 19th, 2021 at 9:18 AM ^

For their sake, I hope that the same boosters that are ponying up the money for his salary are on the hook for his buyout if they decide to dump him in 3 years.

Amaizing Blue

November 19th, 2021 at 9:22 AM ^

I'm excited for next year, think this will be one of Bo's stronger teams.  Now that they have Jack Harbaugh's son coming to play quarterback, maybe Bo will open it up a little bit.  Sure glad he didn't take that ridiculous Texas A and M deal-$300,000 a year is crazy just to coach football.  Would have made him the highest paid college coach in history. 

Looking forward to watching it from my upgraded sophomore seats in the student section.  Not sure how I'm posting this on an internet message board in 1983, but I'm excited all the same.

MGoStrength

November 19th, 2021 at 9:32 AM ^

If you take away 9 -1 record this season he was 7-12 coming into this season.  

While I agree it's a bit too early to give him $9.5 million a year, I'm not sure it's fair to take away his best year.  If you're going to do that you should also take away his worst year to get rid of both outliers and remove his 2-5 season at MSU, particularly since it's during Covid, which I've heard several UM fans use as an excuse for JH's dicey record in 2020.  From my perspective, he's not a $9.5mill/year coach, but he is good enough to continue to be a thorn in UM's side.  It will take a concerted effort to beat them under Mel with regularity IMO because they prepare so well for UM and they always seem to have a good rush defense which will limit what UM usually prefers to do.

CompleteLunacy

November 19th, 2021 at 10:07 AM ^

Well even if you don't take it away right now Mel has a very Brady Hoke-like 16-13 record as head coach. I'm not saying he's Brady Hoke, but that's the level of success we're talking here. There's no guarantee he's the elite guy this contract says he is. And I guess that's true of any insane contract like this, but generally you throw that money at a guy who has proven success (see: Texas A&M contract with Jimbo Fisher).

Of course, MSU has to "shoot their shot" so to speak to attain the relevance they think they are owed.

But even by that standard, this contract seems like an insane risk. $9.5 mil per year comes with far greater expectations than "beat Michigan". Frankly I don't think he did anything special to beat Michigan both years beyond a lot of luck.

 

 

UgLi Eric

November 19th, 2021 at 10:31 AM ^

As someone who has worked a lot in the nonprofit sector, when you have two donors who are fronting you entire bill, you spend the money. Not saying i like this insane system, but you don't, as an institution, get to benchmark Jimbo Fisher, you take your funder's money and their conditions and do your best to come out looking good.

On a side note i think the only condition i would put as a funder is the legal renaming of Mel Tucker as coach UWMel "Quicken" Tucker. 

MGoStrength

November 19th, 2021 at 2:23 PM ^

Well even if you don't take it away right now Mel has a very Brady Hoke-like 16-13 record as head coach. I'm not saying he's Brady Hoke, but that's the level of success we're talking here.

That's not an apples to apples comparison.  Hoke was a very good recruiter and player's coach, but not a very good head coach.  Hoke averaged almost 8 wins a year at UM and that was with several top 10 recruiting classes.  MSU is not likely to land any top 10 classes.  MSU is in the same division as OSU, PSU, & UM.  In my mind 8-4 is what I'd expect from a decent coach at MSU, but below expectations for UM's resources.  I think he's probably a better HC than Hoke, but time will tell.

TeslaRedVictorBlue

November 19th, 2021 at 9:47 AM ^

Crazy to think the series of events that may have led to this started with Cade being in the medical tent, which led to JJ coming out after fumbling, ONLY TO FUMBLE AGAIN.. im not sure they back up the brinks truck if tucker is coming off a loss to michigan and purdue with OSU and PSU on deck. 

Also, side note - why are msu coaches always so angry and shitty. they just seem pissed all the time. not like, saban/belichek pissed, more like... angry at the world for being stuck in that dump kinda pissed. k, now i get it

aMaizenBlueinNoir

November 19th, 2021 at 9:50 AM ^

EA is going to be making college football games again!!!

 

Features I hope they include:

1) Transfer Portal “Rico’s time is NOW”

2) NIL side game (could be a way to entice players so they do not go to the portal AND/OR prevent them from sitting out meaningless Bowl Games).

3) Specific plays connected to Head Coach and Assistants and locked until they increase experience. This would increase the importance of developing coaches and fending off other teams from  poaching them. 
 

4) Recruiting options: immersive or quick format (with built in sim option for each). I really enjoyed one of the earlier recruiting models which could be time consuming over the last recruiting model (which was much faster, but less immersive IMO). 

5) Ability for conference changes and realignments including how many conferences exist. 
 

6) expanded playoffs options 
 

SD Larry

November 19th, 2021 at 10:10 AM ^

Amazing.  Preemptive, perhaps.  Desperate.  Might end up being more than 1 million a win.  I admit I don't understand it.  Would really be something if he turned it down and went somewhere else.  Not sure any program could even match it. 

WestQuad

November 19th, 2021 at 10:10 AM ^

This has to be one of the worst not checking the board posts I've seen in awhile.  Anyone who doesn't know this already doesn't follow college football. (and shouldn't be posting on boards.)

MRunner73

November 19th, 2021 at 10:31 AM ^

Deja vu: this reminds me of the Charlie Weiss deal with ND. He had the one great season, then got a long and expensive deal and when he went down the tubes, ND was stuck with the deal.

Wishing the same for MSU and Mel Tucker.

MadMatt

November 19th, 2021 at 10:51 AM ^

Regrettably, he seems more than capable of giving us fits for the foreseeable future, regardless of salary. Also, there appear to be plenty of MSU alumni who would gladly pay that kind of money to consistently go 5-7, as long as Michigan is in the 5.

bluesparkhitsy…

November 19th, 2021 at 11:37 AM ^

But you don't "take away 9 - 1 record this season."  If anything, you take away last year's record (new position, highly aberrational Covid year).  Mel Tucker is a great face of MSU's program, he has put what previously seemed to be a mediocre team into the national spotlight (with both B1G and the natty still possibilities two games away from the end of the season), and he has beaten MSU's main rival twice -- a huge accomplishment even despite the officiating errors in MSU's favor.

Looking for a way to bash actual success is a "little brother" move, and we've seen that for years fro Sparty.  Let's not be guilty of the same thing.  

energyblue1

November 19th, 2021 at 12:01 PM ^

9-1 is 9-1.  Escapes are still wins, officials assists in the rivalry game still counts as a win.  But the people that matter see this as if they were that good they wouldn't have been blown out by Purdue.  So the escapes show just that. 

Now, the heavy backload to their schedule is a 4 game expose to their real season.  Michigan, Purdue, Osu and Psu.  How do they finish.  If' it's 3-1 that is impressive.  And the record is earned.  1-3 and the one win very much controversial then that changes the outlook. 

Perkis-Size Me

November 19th, 2021 at 12:21 PM ^

Time will tell if this is a gross overpayment, but he's 9-1 this year, less than two years removed from MSU being a smoking crater of a program, he's 2-0 against the one team that matters, and he's got his team in the Big Ten title and playoff conversation deep into November. I'm sure a lot of boosters and alums from MSU are saying "We lost the greatest coach ever, Nick Saban, to LSU. Do we really want to run the risk of someone else poaching our guy and we have to watch him go onto the SEC and do even bigger and better things there, too?" 

They're banking on him being their Nick Saban or Urban Meyer, and if they think he's got that kind of ceiling, they'd be stupid not to offer him whatever he wants. 

Its really interesting in that MSU football and UM basketball went on such similar trajectories over the last 10-15 years. Both were afterthoughts on their respective campuses, forever in the shadow of the other, bigger sport that won all the time, they were a joke to their rival, and then boom. Dantonio and Beilein come into their respective programs and change everything. The mentality, the culture, Conference titles, playoff appearances, Final Fours, beating rivals, sending kids to the pros, etc. MSU basketball had to finally respect UM basketball as a worthy foe that could beat them any given day, and oftentimes did, just the same as what UM football had to do with MSU football. 

Then, both MSU football and UM basketball lose said coach, the rivals come out of the woodworks and say "time for them to go back to the cellar where they belong," and then all their replacements do (Howard and Tucker) is simply up the game and raise the profile of their respective programs. And wouldn't you know it, both get big extensions in the same week. 

Truly amazing. Like looking in a mirror for the both of them. 

OldSchoolWolverine

November 19th, 2021 at 1:38 PM ^

Let's see what he does without a Dantonio QB, which have been exceptional.  Cousins, Lewerke, Cook, now Thorne.   Dantonio knows how to pick them, sorry to say.  But it's gonna be awhile.  

Veryoldschool

November 19th, 2021 at 2:33 PM ^

You're right, Dantonio or his staff had a sharp eye for QB talent.  Whereas Harbaugh, who played the position with distinction, hasn't proven to be the QB whisper envisioned when hired.  I don't have enough fingers to count how many QBs Harbaugh has gone futility trying to find a good one and when a good one seems in hand he's not really utilized.  Just about the opposite at MSU with a succession of good ones.  Thorne looks like he'll have some sort of NFL career also, but he's just a sophomore now.