[LOCKED] Update on the Covid athlete heart syndrome that wasn’t
Bedtime for this one
https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-there-is-no-covid-heart/
MOD EDIT - Locking this one. Some of you have rather strange and, may I say, unfortunate feelings about COVID-19, and they get in the way of any constructive discussion. - LSA
BlockM
May 14th, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^
Yeah, I'm not a medical researcher. The point of this post seems to be that people here calling for caution when things were unclear were lemming chicken littles, which... ok?
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MGoStretch
May 14th, 2021 at 12:02 PM ^
I'm picking up what you're putting down (and, as it turns out, I'm actually a medical researcher). You tactfully pointed out that there is comparatively little downside to being cautious about a potentially lethal side effect. Science pursued its course and now we have more data and more definitive answers.
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huntmich
May 14th, 2021 at 12:01 PM ^
These kinds of reports are published all the time. It wasn't intended to be a blind comparison so a control wouldn't have been appropriate. You could argue that people extrapolated too much from a small number of cases, but it was early in the pandemic and we didn't know what we didn't know. The fault was certainly not with the people publishing the report.
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teldar
May 14th, 2021 at 12:06 PM ^
It's also a real shame they published a shitty ass study with bad data and bad analysis.
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the fume
May 14th, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^
Isn't that basically all case studies?
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coldnjl
May 14th, 2021 at 12:38 PM ^
Exactly. Fog of war type of stuff here... reacting in real time. I am thankful this didn't materialize, but since then, Covid has displayed both acute and chronic symptoms (novel). This long hauler symptoms may be more impactful to people in the long term and this was totally unknown then (Post COVID-19 Syndrome (Long Haul Syndrome): Description of a Multidisciplinary Clinic at the Mayo Clinic and Characteristics of the Initial Patient Cohort - Mayo Clinic Proceedings ...one random study).
In addition, the act of putting on a sporting event potentially exposes many more non-athletes who could have had more adverse reactions to covid... Putting off the games was the right decision, especially when you are trying to fight and control something you have never seen such as this virus.
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CompleteLunacy
May 14th, 2021 at 1:23 PM ^
Right, how dare we? lol
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MeanJoe07
May 14th, 2021 at 11:31 AM ^
They criticize news outlets for running with the story, yet Stat news did the same.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/
Actual "Science" is the process of methodically testing and confirming observations not jumping to conclusions immediately. It's not clear to me that the "trust the science" crowd has the same definition. Erring on the side of caution is probably not a bad idea though when it comes to playing sports games.
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Don
May 14th, 2021 at 11:43 AM ^
These findings are very good news for everybody, not just athletes.
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njvictor
May 14th, 2021 at 11:47 AM ^
The weird thing about this article is that the headline is that "there is no 'Covid heart'" yet through out the article they mention how Covid does affect the heart, just not to the magnitude that was previously thought.
Also it's important to remember that science changes and that is the whole point of the scientific process. More research and more testing leading to changing health policy is a good thing for society
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Sopwith
May 14th, 2021 at 11:50 AM ^
I had the same reaction. The authors (who probably didn't title the piece) did a reasonably good job of putting their article into context:
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NittanyFan
May 14th, 2021 at 11:47 AM ^
Well, whatever the case ....... let's not forget what August-September 2020 was really about.
1. The B1G cancelling their season before all the other Power 5 conferences, in their attempt to be a leader in the space, and using this study as a primary reason for their decision.
2. The ACC, Big XII and SEC deciding to plow ahead anyway.
3. The B1G needing to do an about-face because they quickly realized "oh crap!!! Those schools are all going to make a whole bunch more $$$ than us!!! Shoot, we can't let that happen."
If $$$ is involved, $$$ trumps science a good deal of the time.
The social scientists a generation or two from now are going to have a field day judging the 2020-2021 version of the world.
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SanDiegoWolverine
May 14th, 2021 at 12:05 PM ^
You instigated many a Covid flame war over the last year. Really wish you would sit this one out Nittany.
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KBLOW
May 14th, 2021 at 12:38 PM ^
Nittany Fan is just butt hurt he got scammed by Qanon
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coldnjl
May 14th, 2021 at 1:03 PM ^
I disagree with this guy often, but he is 100% right on this... In the context of a pandemic, they chose to play a sport... They didn't do that because it was the right thing...If it was, why didn't they have in person classes at these universities?
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blueheron
May 14th, 2021 at 1:21 PM ^
In the context of this blog's COVID-19 threads I have NittanyFan classified as a sociopath, but I agree with him on the $ position.
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Harbaugh's Lef…
May 14th, 2021 at 1:06 PM ^
And like clockwork, if there's a Covid thread, NittanyFan is on it like stink on shit.
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Jibbroni
May 14th, 2021 at 11:53 AM ^
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MeanJoe07
May 14th, 2021 at 11:57 AM ^
Bewbs
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oriental andrew
May 14th, 2021 at 12:03 PM ^
My takeaway from the article is that osu bad, UM good.
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WindyCityBlue
May 14th, 2021 at 12:04 PM ^
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Sopwith
May 14th, 2021 at 12:13 PM ^
This is probably one of those AQ dudes who got in trouble for not putting a cover sheet on his TPS reports.
Not kidding.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/al-qaeda-are-strict-about-keeping-track-their-receipts/356552/
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UMICH1606
May 14th, 2021 at 12:07 PM ^
In other news, Republicans are dumb.
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blueblooded14
May 14th, 2021 at 2:14 PM ^
lame
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username03
May 14th, 2021 at 12:16 PM ^
Assuming the worst case scenario in every situation based on no or incomplete data is not science, even if it's technically scientists doing it. Anything negative is accepted without any real scientific basis and anything positive must be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and be notarized by three Harvard trained epidemiologists. This has led to a huge lag in acceptance of actual scientific information, which seems to me to be a problem. For examples see surface contact and outdoor transmission.
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SanDiegoWolverine
May 14th, 2021 at 12:23 PM ^
It was worked the other way too though. The WHO and CDC and other entrenched interests were pushing droplet dogma and didn't except airborne as the primary route of transmission until the last month. Airborne is very bad news but it's the way this thing is spread but at the same time they were holding onto droplet dogma and surface transmission.
So it turned out that masking - and very good masking at that - was even more important indoors but almost completely useless outdoors. So they definitely screwed it up by being too cautious in some ways and not enough in others but more importantly being stubborn to update their declarations that covid was not airborne when the data was there for over year.
So I mostly agree with you but I think it's more about entrenched interests holding onto historical transmission dogma than bad news vs good news.
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username03
May 14th, 2021 at 12:27 PM ^
That's a good point. The main thing to me is very little of this is scientifically based but the "misinformation" claim is only applied one way.
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the fume
May 14th, 2021 at 1:21 PM ^
Yeah, the scientific process usually takes a long time (years), and when you're putting things in humans you can add more years to that.
Unfortunately, nature was quicker this time.
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SanDiegoWolverine
May 14th, 2021 at 12:16 PM ^
First, thanks for the article BananaRepublic. I'm always up for updating my priors when better information comes in. But dude, your posting history is pathetic. I think your last like 50 posts are complaining about masks, freedom, people are idiots. How did you even find some many Covid threads? You'd l think it was June 2020 around here. In summary, thanks for the article but please kindly get bent.
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Harbaugh's Lef…
May 14th, 2021 at 1:32 PM ^
Finding a non-Covid or a political post was like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
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M Go Cue
May 14th, 2021 at 12:24 PM ^
Great discussion, just like all of the Covid threads over the last year. Lots of points for me to consider.
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pdgoblue25
May 14th, 2021 at 12:25 PM ^
It's weird knowing almost everyone in Texas and Florida has died, I was told that would happen. I'll just toss a 4th mask on while I await word on which rights I'm allowed to have today. Unless of course I have a drink in front of me, then I'm immune.
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KBLOW
May 14th, 2021 at 12:42 PM ^
LOL. Still so mad that your cult leader lost. So now it's on to crying about "loss of rights." It's hilarious!
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pdgoblue25
May 14th, 2021 at 12:56 PM ^
You idiots are the ones making every issue about one man, while completely missing the point. Go ahead though, stay in your house and toss two masks on your 3 year old while the person who's making you do it heads to Florida in a private jet, but I'm the one who's in a cult? If your family escaped the former Yugoslavia like mine did, maybe you'd have a fucking clue.
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Hotel Putingrad
May 14th, 2021 at 1:16 PM ^
Yes, Covid America is just like Yugoslavia, except the former's ethnic cleansing was based on Chinese "research" funded by US taxpayers at the behest of Anthony Fauci!
Better put the /s here so I don't get XM'ed!
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Blue@LSU
May 14th, 2021 at 1:20 PM ^
Hey, my avatar resents your remark about Yugoslavia. Whatever happened to Mother Russia, Vlad?
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Blue@LSU
May 14th, 2021 at 1:16 PM ^
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JMK
May 14th, 2021 at 2:16 PM ^
I'll probably regret this.
1. Masks help slow the spread of COVID and, except for maybe the N95s, aren't that uncomfortable. So what's the big deal? I'm sure jumping out of an airplane is fun, but why not wear a parachute while you're at it? Because the belt is a little tight?
2. Where in the Bill of Rights is the freedom from wearing masks? And, since rights sometimes must be balanced against other rights, why doesn't my right to not have you breathe on me during a pandemic outweigh your right not to wear a mask?
3. How exactly does a mask mandate contribute to the power of the shadowy liberal elite? I just don't understand the physics. It's like the underpants gnomes. Phase 1. Get pdgoblue25 to wear a mask. Phase 2. ? Phase 3. Power.
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mongoose0614
May 14th, 2021 at 12:28 PM ^
Tell that to my son. Had myocarditis from Covid not once but 2x. I love how people are trying explain away truth to justify their bias. Don't tell me it isn't an issue. I am living it. Take your bias and lack of concern and f off.
BTW I was against closing things down so dont classify me as tinfoil hat uber liberal labeling shit.
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JonnyHintz
May 14th, 2021 at 1:02 PM ^
Okay but that’s not what the article is saying...
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SpamCityCentral
May 14th, 2021 at 1:09 PM ^
So nice to see everyone getting along and having the same points of view.
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PEMBLUE
May 14th, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
What is the point of the arguments being made now? That the virus isn't significantly deadly or sports shouldn’t have been canceled for awhile? The cardiac aspect is reassuring, however early on no one really knew how frequent misc/etc occurred or to what severity. I think part of the alarmist mentality was due to the number of body bags that accumulated and how overwhelmed the medical infrastructures got. I agree there was a considerable amount of bad data as everyone rushed to try to publish something to be relevant and basic statistical review went by the wayside.
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mgoblue0970
May 14th, 2021 at 1:40 PM ^
Thank God someone posted a COVID article to the board today.
I was missing getting COVID news in the rest of the world. Thank goodness MGoUsers are here to keep us up to date.
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beefalo
May 14th, 2021 at 1:44 PM ^
In before inevitable lock.
Does anyone here know the record for locked threads/podcasts in one week on MGoblog?
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Blue@LSU
May 14th, 2021 at 2:03 PM ^
Sorry to threadjack (not really, though), but I have a non-Covid related question. Anyone have any good recommendations for dealing with sciatica? This shit sucks!
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bronxblue
May 14th, 2021 at 2:50 PM ^
It's an interesting opinion article and does highlight that subsequent studies of athletes and similarly-aged individuals showed that COVID-19 didn't increase heart issues for athletes. That's a good thing, and even with the atypical cases where they did occur this article notes you should monitor those individuals but not be excessively cautious.
But I'd add that some of this piece of reliant on hindsight. Like, I noticed one of the authors has been a pretty active speaker about COVID-19 on twitter and certainly isn't shy about voicing his concerns about overreaction by people. And yet when I looked up athletes, myocarditis, and similar terms in his timeline I didn't see him comment on these early reports until recently. Again, it's not your job to always be on top of every issue, but considering he was speaking about the excessive use of masks, shutdowns, etc. for months beforehand this feels a bit like him taking an unearned victory lap.
In general I think people trying to keep score of who was right or wrong with the pandemic is engaged in a mugs game. We're all somewhat right and somewhat wrong, and that's reasonable. And it bugs me to see these attempts to re-earn credit because of selective timelines.
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BigMeech82
May 14th, 2021 at 2:59 PM ^
If only covidiots exerted as much energy listening to the science these past 15 months.......
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