Is lack of NIL hurting Football Program

Submitted by GoBluePhil on January 19th, 2024 at 9:41 PM

I’m just curious if the board believes that the lack of a strong NIL program will hurt the football program moving forward regardless of the fact we won the National Championship.  Why are we not in on any of the big time players in the portal?  Why are we not getting our doors knocked down by players?  Just looking for opinions.

ruthmahner

January 19th, 2024 at 10:08 PM ^

More questions, considering that Michigan is the NATIONAL CHAMPION in football.  Is a booming NIL program necessary to win games?  Does it even help in the long run, if players are committing more for the money than for the program itself?  Is it possible to win even if you don't get "big time players" in the portal?  (answer to that seems to be yes, at least recently)  There are lots of variables in college sports programs, including recruiting, development, coaching and locker room culture, solid and supportive fan base, NFL pipeline, and many other things.  NIL is fine, but if you don't have the other things, it will cost you money and not make your program any stronger (my opinion only).

turtleboy

January 19th, 2024 at 10:09 PM ^

The program could arguably be the best in the nation. It is in my opinion, but we definitely aren't competing against our opponents the same way they're all competing against us. It could be even better.

Fezzik

January 19th, 2024 at 10:12 PM ^

Committing to a school who's HC is interviewing to leave is a risky life decision. Most kids are not going to consider going to a school they think will lose it's HC, and rightfully so. They will have to hope and pray the new coach will still want them here just as much and fit the new schemes and style of play. 

WeimyWoodson

January 19th, 2024 at 11:48 PM ^

I don’t think this is a good take. Yes, it did work out this past season, but what were the odds of that? Recruiting has been on a downward trend recently and a huge part of that falls on Harbaugh and his NFL flirtation each year. He said he was done with it, clearly he’s not. What Michigan has done the last three years isn’t sustainable. 
 

I will cherish the last three year of dominance fondly and always celebrate those 43 games. I just don’t see how they can keep being successful at a high level without a coach who wants to be here and figuring out how to get a few key top players each year. 

Hensons Mobile…

January 20th, 2024 at 12:51 AM ^

We're still super early in the NIL world and who knows how long the current situation will even remain. All we know right now is that everything Michigan did worked. It's not crazy to think that team chemistry played a role and that the NIL approach helped build a team with a certain kind of culture.

That might only work as long as Harbaugh is coach. Or it might not ever work again as other schools (ahem, OSU) figure out how to better navigate NIL by using funds for player retention and going after established players in the portal.

I think one thing we know for sure (and a lot of people saw coming) is that buying a bunch of recruits who immediately leave the next year in the portal is a terrible approach. So if it's going to be used for recruiting inducements (which is against NCAA rules for whatever that's worth), there still has to be some strategic approach.

I know Dave Brandon likes to fix things that aren't broken, but he's not around anymore so Michigan will probably wait until there's a clear problem on the field to reevaluate the approach.

stephenrjking

January 20th, 2024 at 1:17 AM ^

I've heard people rage and complain for three years about this, how it's terrible for the program, etc. A not insignificant number of people said that it would be better for Harbaugh just to go rather than do this every year. Result? National championship.

We just watched the best team of our lifetimes. Every existential complaint leveled against Harbaugh and the program has been completely invalidated. And the complaints we're getting this year are just rehashes of the complaints from last year and the year before.

And, sorry, they looked intemperate then, and they look *really dumb* now. They literally answered your last sentence in the most emphatic way possible. One year could be hand-waved as a fluke, but after 2021 Harbaugh made a serious attempt to join the Vikings, didn't get hired, produced an even better team in 2022, and won a title in 2023. The players came; Mason Graham and Will Johnson and Kenneth Grant and Colston Loveland, guys that were recruited when Harbaugh *refused to rule out going to the NFL to recruits*, were some of the crucial players in winning us this championship. 

Every single bellyache about how this is "bad for the program" or whatever deserves exactly the same response I just gave in this thread. 

JonnyHintz

January 20th, 2024 at 11:02 AM ^

Recruiting has been on a downward trend recently
 

Based on the numbers that internet people put next to a teenagers name maybe, but Michigan recruiting has been doing just fine if you look at the actual on field production of these guys.
 

There’s no way you can sit there with a straight face and tell me Kenneth Grant was a 3* and the 59th ranked DL in his class, or that there were 7 players in the state of Indiana that were better than him. 
 

We’re still getting high end players at key positions, and still loading up on guys that are undervalued by the recruiting services. The same formula we’ve been riding with the past few years. Michigan is 14th in the team talent composite, and we’re bringing in the 15th ranked recruiting class. Sounds like we’re on par with where we have been.

MichiganFootball

January 19th, 2024 at 10:12 PM ^

I think we’d absolutely be better off if and when revenue sharing becomes a thing and we can just pay players directly as opposed to having to do it via third parties with NIL.

MMBbones

January 19th, 2024 at 10:13 PM ^

I'm wondering if sticking with maize and blue as our colors isn't a big problem moving forward. Is this why we are not in on any of the big names? 

Just looking for opinions.

slimj091

January 19th, 2024 at 10:13 PM ^

The NIL program is just fine. There's no room in Michigan football for entitled players who want stuff given to them instead of earning what they get. Those players can sit on a 50,000 dollar couch, and watch Michigan win championships on TV.

JonnyHintz

January 19th, 2024 at 10:37 PM ^

Jim is a little busy preparing for NFL interviews to be recruiting the portal. We’ve recruited the portal just fine the past two years and are bringing in two starters this year. NIL isn’t an issue with transfers, just high school kids. 

alum96

January 19th, 2024 at 10:38 PM ^

This season was perfection - perfect HC, perfect developers, perfect schedule, perfect no major injuries aside ZZ.

OSU is out for blood.  They have seen our "buy the juniors" style and brought everyone back aside a top 4 draft pick.  They unlike us will buy the HS seniors as well.  We won't.  At some point there are just too many chips stacked up against you.

I will cherish this 3 year run.  Anyone not named JH at the helm is not JH.  Whatever you think - there are 5 of these people on planet earth.  We don't have 3 of them on our staff despite repeated pleas we do.

Oregon just bought 2 QBs after buying a Heisman finalist. Meanwhile we are praying Indiana's savior Jack Tuttle comes back for 7th year and hope a running back at QB1/QB2 will suddenly be better than multiple 5*s elsewhere. 

OSU bought a RB1A to go with their RB1B.  OSU bought a 5*QB in same class as their own 5*QB.  We are praying for Jack Tuttle or a running back at QB.

We did win with 5*s - we aren't winning the NC without Will Johnson and JJ and Donovan etc.  Granted we don't have 25 of these but we had some.  

Anyhow I am realistic.  Michigan I see more in the Notre Dame/Penn State realm go forward after these heights.  That's where they have been for decades and without the star power (No elite QBs coming here nor elite WRs) it just isn't going to repeat hoping a bunch of 22 year olds show up in the transfer portal.  That will be due to our own choosing and cultural arrogance.  OSU and those teams in the south have no such qualms.  We will be back to hoping we get a win for every senior class once in their life vs OSU because their donors will do anything to win.

What was done this year in this current environment was truly magical and once in a lifetime.  Maybe if there is a hard salary cap put in Michigan can compete down the road but we hit the jackpot this year and that's going to be the summit unless another magical HC shows up and competing with those other schools on their terms not ours becomes a norm.

91wolverine

January 19th, 2024 at 11:08 PM ^

Damn this hit hard. You told no lies here. The arrogance of our university shows up in regards to NIL and will soon show up on the field. As soon as next season, actually. I’ll forever cherish this 3 year magical run and eventually my fandom will die down bc of how mediocre we’ll be and I just hope I never forget how happy I’ve been the last 3 years. For that, thank you Jim. And fuck you regents and administrators. 

SalvatoreQuattro

January 20th, 2024 at 12:41 AM ^

That HC didn’t win anything before 2021 when he made dramatic changes to his staff. 
 

This doom and gloom Eeyo crap is beyond tiresome. Michigan recruits between the 10-15 talent range. That is good enough to win a national title as we saw.

Conversely, we are seeing the NIL whores meltdown(A&M, Miami) due to poor culture and subpar culture. Culture is as important as talent and coaching. Michigan has all three even if the raw talent isn’t quite at the level of other schools.

S.G. Rice

January 20th, 2024 at 9:10 AM ^

but ... but ... but it HURTS MY FEELS that we don't get all the five star mercenary talent and win the National CROOTIN Championship too!  The world is ending every time some talented kid decides to take a big check from Ohio State or Texas!

Team 144 just proved that there is more than one way to win a championship, but here we go again with the "if we don't have an unlimited checkbook we can't compete" nonsense.

1408

January 19th, 2024 at 10:44 PM ^

The marginal cost of not doing it in as fulsome a fashion as others is, I believe, offset by the marginal uptick in chemistry and team unity which I believe to be quite real.  

Caveat - I think this works with Jim Harbaugh as coach.  I am less bullish on the long term viability of this approach under literally anyone else.

It may already be hurting hoops in a very acute manner.

MgoBlueprint

January 19th, 2024 at 10:50 PM ^

It’s been a combination of factors. I think one that isn’t mentioned is the leadership. Other collectives are run by heavy hitters bringing in decades of professional experience. Our collective is run by a former player with no real world work experience. It’s not an indictment on him, his vision, his passion, or potential. It’s a glaring difference between what we have versus competitors. It may be a factor in why we are a third tier NIL program according to the cc presentation.

stevedore

January 19th, 2024 at 11:10 PM ^

We're at the top, lets just enjoy it now.

We may or may not beat them at the end of 2024, but there are a lot of games to be played before that point. 

rockusa

January 20th, 2024 at 12:06 AM ^

NIL and no contract.  Missing out on the top portal candidates while Ohio’s sucking them up.  Warde’s hell bent on doing to football what he did to basketball.  Atrocious!!

Danny DevAndre

January 20th, 2024 at 12:26 AM ^

I would disagree that the lack NIL is hurting the good guys. By that logic Texas A&M should've been the best team in College Football for the last few years and Ohio State should've beaten us the last 3 years.

M-Dog

January 20th, 2024 at 3:30 AM ^

Texas A&M did it with high school recruits, not well-established college players.  OSU is doing it now with well-established college players.

The Portal is where the action is now. 

Michigan has actually been one of the best Portal recruiters over the last couple years based on who they got and how it fit their needs.  But that has gotten harder to do now with all of the bidding wars and our current coaching chaos.  We have done little so far.

We are going to have to step it up, and yes it is going to cost money.  It is naive to think that all the guys we need are going to come here just for rah rah spirit. 

 

Soulfire21

January 20th, 2024 at 3:22 AM ^

Well, nobody (or few people) know who will be Michigan’s head football coach next year. That certainly hampers the recruiting effort.

I’m sure our NIL efforts could be improved, but didn’t Texas A&M just spend like tens of millions of dollars on the highest-ever rated recruiting class? All of that to finish 7-6 and 0.500 in the SEC, which had a relatively weak year mind you.

Solecismic

January 20th, 2024 at 7:30 AM ^

How many quarterbacks can Michigan put on the field at one time?

The corollary to making a big splash through the portal is that someone who worked with the system for years gets passed up by an outsider.

Are we willing to say right now that no quarterback who originally signed with Michigan can take over for McCarthy?

I think in the long run, not only those who stay become champions, but primarily those who wear the M from the start.

Fill in when you need a season - I get why welcoming Priebe is a good idea. OL take a long time to eat and bulk and you need six or seven really good upperclassmen. All the consternation about guys like the unending series of quarterbacks who keep getting sucked in and spit out of Columbus... no thanks. Save that for basketball.