Juwan Interview w Athletic

Submitted by JMo on April 4th, 2024 at 8:57 AM

Juwan sat down and did an interview with B Quinn at The Athletic. If you have a sub, it's definitely worth a look. If you don't, here's some notable highlights.

 

The Juwan Howard interview: Regrets, lost trust and the end of his Michigan coaching career

https://theathletic.com/5385907/2024/04/04/juwan-howard-michigan-end-nba-interview/

 

Sanderson Incident

Howard heard his son Jace Howard yelling at an athletic trainer. Howard says he shouted: “Yo, look, Jace, stop.”

“I’m his father, right?” he says. “He knew that look and knew that voice, right? So he stopped immediately.”

According to Howard, Sanderson got involved, adding: “Jace, you don’t talk to a superior like that!”

“Which is true,” Howard says. “I agree. But then he kept going. Jon said, ‘Jace, that’s bullsh–!’ You don’t talk to a superior that way, this is the sh— I’m talking about.’”

Howard says he called off Sanderson, telling him he was handling it.

Here, according to Howard, Sanderson yelled that he’d recently endured “the same bullsh–” from another player.

Howard says he responded: “Yo, Jon, chill the f— out. I told you I got it.”

Howard says he had no intentions of escalating the tension.

Later

Howard says he cursed at Sanderson, using “a bad choice of words,” and told him to “get the f— out of my gym.”

Howard says Sanderson “tried to come at me and fight,” but assistant coaches Saddi Washington and Eisley held him back. “I was like, whoa, this is serious.

“So then, I say, ‘Forget it, guys, let him go, we’re about to start practice.’ So we go to the other court in the practice facility, circle up like we always do, and went over the practice plan.”

Howard says he called Manuel that night. Sanderson sent his version of events to university human resources, and Manuel advised Howard to do the same.

“Then I come to find out Jon’s email to HR got leaked,” Howard says. “Juwan’s email to HR did not get leaked.”

 

Decision to Coach in 23/24

“I thought I was a Marvel hero, but this was real life stuff I was dealing with, and I was extremely naive,” he says. “I was impatient with the process.”

“You can allow your competitiveness and take control over, you know, what you know in your heart,” Howard says. “If I could go back and do it all over again, I would’ve taken time off to really get help. I should’ve listened more to the doctors and my wife. 

 

The Surgery

“I was scared,” Howard says. “But I never admitted that. I didn’t show it in front of my wife or my family, and I never showed it in front of my staff.”

A Sept. 15 surgery resected an aortic aneurysm and repaired Howard’s aortic valve. That day, the school announced the successful surgery. Howard had told his players only one day earlier, a decision he now regrets.

“I didn’t want to scare the players in a way where they might not want to finish out their years here and enter the transfer portal, or where the players I was recruiting might not want to come,” he says. “To go through and explain if I’m going to be here or not, if I’m going to be coaching. I ultimately decided to keep it close to the vest.”

 

Juwan's Perception Problem

“There was a lot of pressure, a lot of scrutiny, so I kind of created a bubble, where I didn’t let a lot of folks in,” Howard says. “I was super protective. With that, came a lot of criticism. So I lost trust.”

At Michigan, Howard’s public persona was about as limited as any coach in his position.

“Folks really don’t know me at all, whatsoever, and part of that is my fault,” Howard says. “Could I have been more politically correct like some of these other guys at other programs, done a better job of playing that game? Letting the world into my private life? If that would’ve saved my job, then yeah, I should’ve.”

 

NIL

“I’ll say this — we needed help,” Howard says. “I asked for help when it came to the NIL two years ago. We didn’t get the help. It ruffled some feathers with some folks.”

After losing in the 2023 NIT, Howard says he met with Michigan president Santa Ono, Manuel, six regents and a variety of coaches from the athletic department, including representatives from football. Howard said men’s basketball needed to upgrade its locker room, but also needed NIL help. But help never came.

“We lost one of our best players because he felt he wasn’t being valued when it comes to NIL,” Howard says, alluding to All-American center Hunter Dickinson, now at Kansas.

“I didn’t have the resources to go and build a roster for this past season,” he says. “The guys that committed were guys I had past relationships with.

“We had two more scholarships, but as we were going through the recruiting process with other players, we got all the way to third base, but couldn’t bring them home because they were looking for an NIL commitment and I couldn’t offer it.”

While there was NIL money available for players in his program, Howard says the program did not have the support of an aggressive, basketball-focused collective like some other marquee men’s basketball programs. He says he proposed adding a program general manager three years ago but was told “we did not have the funding for a new hire.” 

Howard said he hopes May has more funds available to build a roster.

“He’ll need it.”

 

There's a bunch more... if you don't have a The Athletic sub, I enjoy mine and recommend one. Interesting interview. Will always love Juwan the player. I think its probably best that the team moved on and are on a different trajectory now. I hope for his sake that his legacy isn't painted solely by these last two coaching seasons.

 

 

basketballjones

April 4th, 2024 at 9:42 AM ^

I believe once again in a heated moment Juwan handled another situation poorly as the leader. 
 

Howard says he responded: “Yo, Jon, chill the f— out. I told you I got it.”

Howard says he had no intentions of escalating the tension.

Later

Howard says he cursed at Sanderson, using “a bad choice of words,” and told him to “get the f— out of my gym.”
 

He had no intention of escalating it then what did he do?? He escalated it

Hensons Mobile…

April 4th, 2024 at 1:01 PM ^

My reading of that from Juwan's POV was that he wasn't planning on escalating things except Jon was; basically, "He started it!"

As I've said this whole time, Sanderson's version makes himself look bad, so I always believed the bones of it. Howards' account--which I also believe--gives a little more context that makes Sanderson look even worse.

Neither guy handled it perfectly, and honestly who handles everything perfectly all the time? I'm surprised Sanderson felt the need to escalate this (administratively) but it likely speaks to his concern with a pattern, not the specific instance, as others have already said.

Wendyk5

April 4th, 2024 at 9:53 AM ^

I read the article. I think there's a lot left out so we don't get the context of the fight. Juwan mentions that he's not the best communicator, so it's possible that these two guys never communicated properly and there were issues between them that should've been discussed but never were. This was the boiling point. Overall, it just seemed like Juwan wasn't ready to be a head coach. Having your sons on the team doesn't help in that situation, either. He also should've taken the season off for his health. There's no way you can function properly in a highly competitive atmosphere with all that hanging over your head. 

goblu330

April 4th, 2024 at 10:01 AM ^

Your first observation about Howard and communication is really insightful I think.  Howard is well off now but he came from a really rough environment as a child.  I don't think incidents that rise to intense levels or even physical confrontation stick with him to the degree that they do with other people who don't share the same experiences. 

You could see it with the Wisconsin coach incident.  In the press conference after the game 30 minutes after the incident, Howard already held no ill-will toward the guy he hit, spoke about it with almost indifference, and probably would have had a beer with the dude and talked it out if he was still around.

I think Howard is of the mindset that he can be fighting with a person one moment and be joking with them the next like you do when you are younger and that there does not have to be carry over from one setting to the next.  Not many people really operate like that later in life.

Needs

April 4th, 2024 at 11:03 AM ^

I think he was ready to be an NBA head coach. The stuff that happened on the court in the first few years, the offensive and defensive sets and OOB plays, was top rate. So was the player development. Those are the main things you deal with as an NBA head coach.

I don't think he was ready at all to be a contemporary college head coach, where roster management and "running a program" are more important job responsibilities than on court strategy.

bronxblue

April 4th, 2024 at 10:12 AM ^

Yeah, that was my vibe when it first got out.  Michigan media types were taking it at face value and not wondering why this supposedly private email to HR got out or if there was a motive behind it.  I don't blame Sanderson for wanting to leave and I wish him luck but he absolutely didn't handle it great on the way out and people seemingly siding with him always struck me as people just wanting Howard gone and not caring how that result came about.

J. Redux

April 4th, 2024 at 10:19 AM ^

I'm not sure how much of it was people "just wanting Howard gone" as it was that he had a reputation, after both the Maryland / Turgeon thing and then the Wisconsin incident, of being a hothead.  It's a lot easier to take a story at face value when it fits into an established pattern of facts.

bronxblue

April 4th, 2024 at 2:37 PM ^

Maybe, but considering UM's HR department cleared him shortly afterwards and yet people just assumed there was some grand conspiracy amongst the University to protect a coach that they were clearly going to fire, I think there was some intentional misreading/lack of skepticism around his claims that the media covering it should have been more up-front about. 

RobM_24

April 4th, 2024 at 1:12 PM ^

I think Sanderson thought he had a little more power in the program than he did. Leaking the email is something you don't do unless you think you're going to survive the fallout of it being leaked. He didn't survive it. Its one of those "If you come at the King..." situations. 

MaizeBlueA2

April 4th, 2024 at 9:05 AM ^

That's good stuff...always 3 sides to every story. It's good to hear Howard's side and point of view.

I hope he lands in a good place and it's proudly welcomed back to celebrate his accomplishments at Michigan (as a player and as a coach).

No shame in chasing a dream, he did some wonderful things at Michigan, unfortunately in totality, things didn't work out.

PopeLando

April 4th, 2024 at 9:05 AM ^

“We don’t have the funding for a new hire” is *timeless* corporate speak for “I don’t believe you when you say we need this”

I’ve heard that many many times in my career, and I’ve stopped counting the money my companies have lost (or the headaches caused by regulatory complaints) by not listening to me.

RockinLoud

April 4th, 2024 at 9:50 AM ^

Man, been there done that too. Thankfully in my last position I actually got a boss that listened to me and was a master at manipulating head count to fit within our overall budget and got me the positions we needed. Lo and behold our site went from improving but still mediocre, to crushing every performance metric we had and making all the other sister sites look like amateurs in less than a year. Unfortunately it lead to a promotion for my boss - even though all he did was make everyone else do what I said to do - and then the new boss was just a good ol' boy who was starting to run things into the ground again. I bailed as I knew where that ship was heading.

Amazinblu

April 4th, 2024 at 10:15 AM ^

We all know how important recruiting is - both from the high school and portal ranks.

The landscape has changed - and, NIL can influence a great deal.   

It seems to me that the football team has a supporting staff to help manage the recruiting aspect - and, additions / changes are being made to support today's landscape.  I'm not saying football is perfect - but, it's trying to keep up / take the lead.

Michigan's athletic department has enough money to hire someone to support the basketball teams - and, I'm thinking both men's and women's.   Those are two visible teams - and women's athletics visibility continues to grow.

Warde could create a department to focus on this - with dedicated or shared resources - based on the sport.  Football might be a dedicated resource, basketball might be shared, and other sports might be combined - e.g. lacrosse and field hockey.   Being proactive would benefit a LOT of people.

Go Blue!

Mattinboots

April 4th, 2024 at 9:06 AM ^

A few points:

  1. Sounds like Sanderson was looking for a change anyway.  Clearly not happy with how things were going with Juwan in charge.
  2. Glad we seem to be upping our game for NIL management with football and hope that carries over to basketball soon too.  Agree, May will need it.
  3. Juwan tried to do too much.
  4. Onward.

energyblue1

April 4th, 2024 at 9:06 AM ^

Good interview.  I thought he needed to step back with the surgery. 

Imo his mistake with Sanderson is the second Sanderson replied, "I had to deal with this bs last week"..  that is the moment Howard should have stopped  everything regarding practice and told sanderson and the assistants to meet and lets get this resolved and stopped now.  Should have immediately ripped Jace to come back tomorrow and he will meet with him and the rest of the coaches. 

IDK, not being there, Juwan sure allowed things to happen that let entitlement and disrespect of his assistants ruin the program.  The second it was allowed and happened in front of other coaches and his team mates is the second he lost the program! 

goblu330

April 4th, 2024 at 9:33 AM ^

I think it was ultimately insecurity with his own status within the program that actually kind of sunk the season.  Michigan started hot out the gate and played really well without him there.  I know the Long Beach game happened but games like that happen in college basketball and it looked at the time like it was somewhat flukish with the team looking ahead to Atlantis.  I think Howard became concerned that if the team went and won Atlantis that there would be chatter about Martelli.

Once he returned in Atlantis the energy of the entire team sunk and I think it was because they could feel some internal tension and that Howard was not ready to be back on the sideline and things just spiraled from there.  Then he got ejected against Texas Tech and there was already a "wheels coming off" vibe to the season.  I think he should have returned at the start of Big Ten play.  He still would have been on the sideline for Florida which was always going to be kind of the do or die game of the non-conference.

Amazinblu

April 4th, 2024 at 10:18 AM ^

"Michigan started hot out of the gate".   I believe Michigan played Marquette in a "pre-season" scrimmage - sort of an "off the record" contest.  Michigan won.   

I'll always be supportive of Juwan - his love and caring for Michigan is unquestioned in my mind.   This, unfortunately, may be the best result for everyone involved.

Go Blue!

bronxblue

April 4th, 2024 at 9:07 AM ^

An interesting read.  Like the Sanderson piece you're getting a biased recounting from an unreliable narrator, but I do believe him that the heart surgery was serious and he returned too quickly.  And while I doubt he was super mellow with Sanderson I absolutely believe Sanderson said some inappropriate comments toward the players (which was reported at the time) and him and Howard came to yelling.  It does strike me as bad for UM that Sanderson's letter got leaked to the press and screams lawyer tricks to get a bigger settlement.

Anyway, wish Howard luck in his recovery and the next steps of his career and am excited to see what May can do with the team.

lilpenny1316

April 4th, 2024 at 9:12 AM ^

I believe most of what he's saying about the NIL issues. Hoops has always succeeded in the shadows of the football program, even in the Hoke years. 

Blinkin

April 4th, 2024 at 10:02 AM ^

I mean, I think it was borderline self-evident.  We lost Hunter Dickinson the same summer we were trying to keep Blake Corum et al.  I doubt many potential NIL donors thought too hard about whether their dollars would be better spent on an NIT basketball program, or on a 2-time defending B1G champ/CFP football program.  

JBurd

April 4th, 2024 at 11:24 AM ^

Same thought I had. If I’m a big time booster and I’m looking at things objectively with the state of both programs in April 2023 do I want to help the national title caliber football team or do I want to pay an absurd amount of money so that a good basketball player will stay on a team that might not even be CBI worthy next year. 
 

It actually might be a blessing in disguise that they didn’t get the NIL support they wanted last season. Imagine they did get enough money to keep Dickinson around and they were still terrible. That would’ve probably had some boosters wondering exactly what was the point of giving NIL money to these players.

Team 101

April 4th, 2024 at 9:17 AM ^

For all of the shit Warde got I think the transition from Howard to May couldn't have been handled better.  Howard's termination was handled without a bloody scene and we got May (who is clearly the one we wanted) quickly and in time for him to salvage the 2024-25 season.

I think we all wish Juwan Howard the best - he is a celebrated Michigan alum.  I think we also glad the team moved on so we don't have to say bad things about him anymore.

Blinkin

April 4th, 2024 at 10:04 AM ^

There was debate about it the last couple of months, but I'm very glad Warde let Juwan finish the season.  It seems just a bit more dignified (which Juwan deserves), and it ultimately didn't get in the way of Michigan getting the generally-agreed-upon best mid-major coach available.

JBurd

April 4th, 2024 at 11:32 AM ^

It is still a little alarming to me that, like Sam Webb has pointed out on the roundtable, Warde was still undecided on Juwans future until he met with him after the season finished.

There is clearly a world where Juwan is a slightly better bullshitter and gives Warde the answers he wants to hear to get this program back on track and we get another year of Juwan somehow.

Not to mention the fact that he felt the need to hire an outside firm to investigate the culture of the program which should have been pretty obvious.

I think Warde did a great job in the May hiring. He was quick and decisive and scooped him out from under a bigger basketball program but I don’t think that criticism of his job is unwarranted.

 

jwfsouthpaw

April 4th, 2024 at 1:16 PM ^

It always surprises me that people take these kinds of statements from insiders at 100% face value. I mean, sure, it's possible that Warde hadn't made a decision, but do we really think that Warde decided to to fire Howard on March 15th, and within 10 days both conducted a search and hired May the day or so after FAU's tourney exit? 

It seems more likely that Warde knew at some point during the season that it was time to move on from Howard and started on his diligence, but waited to formally announce out of respect for everything Howard has done for the program, both as a player and (yes) coach. And if so, he's not going to broadcast that a decision was made in-season; it wouldn't benefit anyone or change the outcome in the slightest.

 

JBurd

April 4th, 2024 at 1:58 PM ^

I mean…did you read the article? The way Juwan says it went is exactly what Sam described weeks ago.

From the article: 

“On March 15, Howard met with Manuel to present his plan to fix Michigan basketball. He laid out his ideas, mainly stressing the need for more NIL support. Howard says he told Manuel that a few people had approached him looking to help men’s basketball, especially after the football national championship.

After about 45 minutes, Manuel stepped away briefly. When he returned, he told Howard the school was going to move in a different direction.”


I don’t know about you but if you have made up your mind that you are going to let someone go you usually don’t let them plead their case for 45 minutes. Maybe that’s just me though.

Sam Webb mentioned that Warde met with Juwan to hear what his plans for the future of the program would look like and that if he felt he had a good plan he would be given another year. That more or less sounds exactly how Juwan described it as well.

Dusty May has been one of the obvious top choice candidates for over a year. Any competent athletic department could absolutely hire May within 10 days.

Alabama hired DeBoer within 2 days of Saban’s surprise retirement. Is it that hard to believe Michigan could hire Dusty in 10?

PeteM

April 4th, 2024 at 9:21 AM ^

It was a great piece and worth a read. I've heard Quinn criticized in other posts here, but I think he's one of the best writers covering local sports. 

It's interesting and concerning that Juwan has another surgery coming up I believe this month, which suggests to me (and which Craig Ross indicated last week) that he never should have coached this year. It's also interesting to me that he suggested Jace is staying on the team.

Ultimately, I believe it was possible for Juwan to succeed here, and that 2020-21 wasn't solely a holdover from the Beilein era. I don't believe any coach could've gotten to the elite 8 with that team. I also think that Michigan needs/needed a coach who was fully healthy, and who can navigate today's college basketball world, which I am confident is Dusty May.

bronxblue

April 4th, 2024 at 9:29 AM ^

Yeah, I think the heart surgery issue and the unrealistic timelines was exacerbated by his struggles in 2022-2023 and knowing he didn't have a long runway in terms of patience.  Howard talked about competitiveness and all that but he had just missed the tournament and if he missed it again he likely knew he was gone so he rushed back to give it a run.  So he pushed too hard and the team suffered as a result because he was clearly "off" all year.  

And yeah, I do think there was a path for success at UM for Howard.  He'd have needed to change his approach and not sure he'd have done it but there was a path for him to succeed. 

J. Redux

April 4th, 2024 at 10:15 AM ^

There is absolutely no way he'd have been fired this year if he took the entire season off for health reasons, regardless of the team's performance.  I think he'd even have been given another year if he'd come back mid-February to a team that was struggling.  By coming back so quickly, I think he made it look like a minor issue that needn't be considered in a performance review.

AWAS

April 4th, 2024 at 10:41 AM ^

I wish someone, anyone, would have stepped in and told Juwan that he wasn't going to coach this past year.  His wife, his kids, his doctors, his assistants, and his boss all have to be looking back in regret at allowing this decision to be made.  There's a lesson here for all of us on the necessity to speak up in certain situations, and not cave to the wishes of the dominant personality.

Dean Pelton

April 4th, 2024 at 9:24 AM ^

He definitely came back too soon after surgery. I had a very similar surgery last year in January. It is definitely a lot to deal with and I am not trying to run a basketball program. 

TeslaRedVictorBlue

April 4th, 2024 at 9:31 AM ^

Well intentioned I'm sure on many things... But I have a hard time believing that in a room of hotheads, he was the calming voice of reason, especially with his son involved.

But, we move on..

JBurd

April 4th, 2024 at 11:40 AM ^

Couldn’t agree more. So many comments in this thread with the general tone of “See Juwan was in the right. Sanderson overstepped and got confrontational”.

Knowing what we do about both of them I have no idea how anyone could believe that it was Sanderson trying to fight Juwan. Juwan has, on multiple occasions, tried to get physical with opposing coaches in the public eye. Taking Juwans comments at face value while pretending Sanderson was lying doesn’t match up which what we already know about both of these people.

 

hfhmilkman

April 4th, 2024 at 9:32 AM ^

Howards biggest problem is bringing in highly acclaimed recruits who did not live up to expectations and had no interest in playing college basketball.   My last memory of Houstan and Diabate were of them sitting on the bench during the stretch against Villanova and Howard playing Williams and Johns because the former could not compete in a game of that competition.  And then we were rewarded with even more inferior play by Jett Howard.  Howard did not know how to find the Franz Wagner players.  My expectation is not to discover hidden lottery picks.  But you are better off with a four year player who is not NBA material then a disinterested athlete who is not looking to improve themselves.  Blaming NIL when Northwestern, Wisconsin, and even Nebraska competed is an excuse.  

hfhmilkman

April 4th, 2024 at 10:38 AM ^

That is not what I saw.  I saw an individual unconcerned with playing defense.  Jett Howard was overwhelmed by athletic Big10 forwards.  Now he is listed as a guard and has to defend NBA guards.  My issue is not Jett Howards NBA potential.  He may not have the athletic ability and talent.  He just did not try.  It's a really weird attitude of a coach's son.  

The contrast was Franz Wagner.  What was enjoyable in his game was not the individual play, but the concern put into making sure he was in the right place at the right time on defense.  This has nothing to do with individual capabilities.  The five stars Howard brought in never were interested in these "details".  Franz took it personally if anyone scored because the team defense failed.  

And that is why a Zavier Simpson is worth a thousand Jett Howards.  Do we really believe that Duncan Robinson is any more agile than Jett Howard?  Perhaps Jett will get it as he is a lot younger and has time.  But if Jett had Simpon, the Wagner brothers, or Duncan's attitude, he might be on his way to actually being a closer in the NBA.  The Orlando Magic are desperate for snipers which is the reason for their panic in drafting Houstan and Howard.

But that is perhaps the difference between Beilein and Howard.  Having an eye for character is important.  And Coach Howard could not read the character of his own son.

goblu330

April 4th, 2024 at 10:48 AM ^

Hmm.  That is interesting.  Yeah, we are going to have to agree to disagree, which is fine.  He was not a good defender.  That is true.  But he struggled more with his role on team defense (help D, rotation, hedges) than he did with ability and effort as a 1 on 1 defender.

I did not see what I thought was an effort problem.  The biggest issue I saw with Jett is that Michigan needed him to be an Alpha during crunch time and he wasn't yet.  I think you would have seen a Stauskus-leap had he remained for another year.