Josh Gattis - Broyles (Best Asst.) Award Nominee
https://twitter.com/BroylesAward/status/1460348021422632971?s=20
He was not the coordinator I would’ve expected to end up on this list from Michigan.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:02 PM ^
Don’t these Broyles people know Harbaugh is calling the plays?
maybe /s ?
November 15th, 2021 at 9:25 PM ^
Only when they don’t work.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:04 PM ^
Congratulations Coach Gattis, good luck.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:09 PM ^
That's interesting. I would have though Macdonald was more likely to be in that discussion.
November 15th, 2021 at 11:00 PM ^
This, times 100. The performance of the D compared to its preseason expectations far outpaces those of the O. Credit to Macdonald and the players buying into his program. (And to #97.)
November 16th, 2021 at 6:45 AM ^
I'm glad we got Macdonald. But the one game we lost wasn't on Coach Gattis!
And while the notion that Jim calls the plays is debunked, Gattis calls 'em within the strictures laid down by Harbaugh. Given the kind of philosophy he brings to the table, and Jim's, I'd say he may be a genius at successfully combining very different kinds of approaches.
Fans tend to be driven by the last win or loss, and to offload all of their life frustration on their football teams--few think terribly clearly, or even have the distance to judge, in the main. My feeling is that Gattis has done incredibly well under very trying circumstances, including a continually shifting approach to the offense.
November 16th, 2021 at 7:32 AM ^
I do believe each school gets to nominate only one assistant, so this would imply Harbaugh put Gattis up for the award and not MacDonald. I recall this being a point of contention between DJ Durkin and Drevno/Harbaugh.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:14 PM ^
It's a good thing the armchair OCs on the board here can't vote. He'd be screwed.
Good luck Coach Gattis!
November 15th, 2021 at 10:39 PM ^
I don't like Gattis from his first two years here. This year he has been OK to me, nothing more. I will say I haven't seen a PA pass call on 3rd and 10 from him, which is better than the last guy.
Obviously I just don't understand enough to know good from bad considering he is up for this award.
Good for him.
That video showed the team believes in him too.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:18 PM ^
LOLOLOL there will be some salty MGoBloggers in this thread.
Way to draw up the Erick All mesh route, Coach Gattis. Got 'em. :)
November 15th, 2021 at 9:27 PM ^
Are you sure it wasn't Weiss who called the mesh route? /s
November 15th, 2021 at 9:50 PM ^
Didn't Jim Herrman win this as a DC for Michigan????
November 15th, 2021 at 11:33 PM ^
Didn't Jim Herman win a natty as DC for Michigan?
November 16th, 2021 at 8:50 AM ^
Natty ice?
November 16th, 2021 at 10:14 AM ^
Yes he did. That defense was the best in the nation though. Our offense isn't even best in the division.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:26 PM ^
Fire Harbaugh
November 15th, 2021 at 9:31 PM ^
This is going to guarantee his name gets brought up for a HC opening. Which, if you go by this board, would either be really awesome, or not.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:41 PM ^
I remember a post recently about how they doubted he would be a HC candidate anywhere. So I guess he probably will be, somewhere. Wonder what it will take for him to accept a job elsewhere?
November 15th, 2021 at 10:43 PM ^
What hasn't been mentioned as much is that what we've really been lagging at for a while now is recruiting.
I realize "starz" and recruiting services are not prescient, and scheme/fit is a thing, but Hoke brought in some very highly ranked classes and players (consecutive Top-5 classes), our 2016 team was loaded with talent, that was recruited in 2013/14, and while I'm willing to concede discretion to the coaches over recruiting-news-tainment sites, recruiting really is the lifeblood and comes down to the array of coaches personalities/mentorship/excitement, so no matter who we hire/retain I'd be happier to see some higher recruiting classes.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:33 PM ^
I don't know if he will win this award, but if there is an award for calling first down plays that always leave you in second and 9 . . . he'll win that one.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:44 PM ^
I’d actually like to see the numbers on this one. I feel you, but I think it probably seems worse than it is relative to other teams.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:53 PM ^
Or four yard routes on third and five. I honestly can’t complain but sometimes I still do…
November 16th, 2021 at 12:41 AM ^
Or the dreaded five yard pitch and catch to a stationary receiver on 3rd and 10.
November 15th, 2021 at 9:49 PM ^
Snark on this blog. SMH. Even when something good happens, you have to post it and shit on it. Uncool. You are forgetting that this team was way down last year and nobody expected them to have this kind of year. He lost his best WR and still kept them in each game. Give the man his props and complain about him in another thread. I am sure there are plenty. Geez... //Rant off.
Congrats coach Gattis. Hope you win. Beat MD and OSU.
November 15th, 2021 at 10:01 PM ^
200 yards rushing, 200 yards passing
The game we lost wasn't because the O. We did have the mesh fumble. But the D couldn't fill the gaps when under fast calls. Mac made the adjustments vs. IU and PSU.
Hey - let's be happy we are 9-1 with a good chance to get to 11-1.
November 15th, 2021 at 10:27 PM ^
I can't say that I agree with it, but maybe it gets him a head coaching job. Maybe that speed in space will show up at Virginia Tech or he'll utilize his highly ranked wide receivers somewhere else.
November 16th, 2021 at 7:20 AM ^
Huh, I didn't think of it that way. Yeah, if it helps get him out of here, great.
November 15th, 2021 at 10:52 PM ^
I think this is a sign that Seth might need to recalibrate his RPS a bit. He does an awesome job with UFR and I'm impressed with his technical knowledge and breakdowns, but the offensive RPS is scoring record lows, worse than any Borges year, the Pep year, etc.
I imagine it's just an effect of calibrating the scoring, but something that was interesting in the scoring.
November 16th, 2021 at 9:36 AM ^
I think Seth has a ton of understanding of the game of football, but I'm dubious he understands the humanity of football. Hard to make my point when I don't understand it completely myself, but anyone who knows someone who is technically great at their job in every way, but nevertheless never gets it quite right; that's Seth.
I know that sounds like a slam, but I don't wish it to be anything more than an observation based on his UFRs. He obviously knows more about the game than I do, but many of his conclusions contravene his own data (imho).
I still learn a lot from his UFRs.
November 16th, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^
If the data conflicts with everyone's "feels" then that's the very point of doing analysis. "Some award nomination" > "careful plodding observation" is probably the worst take I'll read this month.
Gattis' habits of running plays without running any of the counters to those plays, or using decoys that are never actual threats, are downright Borges-esque. For all his blah-blah about "speed in space", he clearly doesn't grasp constraint theory, which is the fundamental concept behind creating space in the first place. We have a good offense, sure. Why? Because we have legit playmakers. In addition to two of the best RBs in the country, the WRs are underrated, All is a third All-American at TE, the O-line is well coached, and the QB is experiencing a Rudock-esque renaissance. Again, it's a good offense. It should be a tremendous offense, yet there was never any point in the season when the sum punched above the weight of its parts. RPS is about putting players in a position to succeed, not about the players overcoming adversity, so the numbers look about where they should be: High pluses for the players, huge negatives for the coaches.
Gattis is constantly getting lauded for asking the players to do insanely difficult things. Seeing him get a nomination for that is annoying, like watching an idiot manager take all the credit for a brilliant employee. It's not playcalling genius when the plan on 3rd and 2 is, "OK Hassan, go meet two linebackers and a safety behind the LoS and drag them for four yards," and he somehow manages to pull it off. There are a few key playcalls when they finally break tendency, but they're nowhere near frequent enough to make up for all the downs set on fire, and RPS makes that clear: If you bash your head against the wall 15 times to set up a game-winning RPS+3 killshot, your RPS total will be +3 - 15 = -12. Being one-dimensional until you're losing and then pantsing the defense for one play is terrible game management compared to just using constraint theory to constantly put the defense in conflict.
November 16th, 2021 at 10:48 AM ^
I disagree with your assessment of our receivers. All of them have a fatal flaw. Some can't run routes, some can't catch and some don't like contact. That's why Anthony is already in the lineup as a Frosh. He's the only complete receiver other than Bell.
Also, I think you miss that you can't break tendencies you don't have. I get that it's frustrating to run into the line over and over again for a couple yards gain. But the other plays don't work if you don't.
Lastly, I'm not sold on Gattis either, but the people who should know if he is good or bad put him in for an award. Maybe it's because we are Michigan and 9-1, but maybe it's because those guys know more than you and I.
November 16th, 2021 at 10:57 AM ^
I'm not sold on Gattis either, but the people who should know if he is good or bad put him in for an award.
Should? Sure. But if the people in charge of things were good at what they do, then Franz Wagner is a mediocre defender.
November 16th, 2021 at 11:28 AM ^
I say should because I don't know the criteria or the people who nominate for this award. If it's a bunch of Press flunkies, then the award means nothing, and it's just a popularity contest.
If it's coaches or ex-coaches, then they DO know better than you and I.
November 16th, 2021 at 11:31 AM ^
There are a few key playcalls when they finally break tendency, but they're nowhere near frequent enough to make up for all the downs set on fire
But if they break tendency too frequently then they are not really tendencies. It just becomes another base play.
I love the players on this team, but to say that the players are making plays despite Gattis' horrible play calls is a bit over the top. He has drawn up some excellent plays that, had the execution been better, would've been huge. Corum's dropped pass on the wheel route against MSU was a beautiful play call. The pass to Haskins deep in our own territory against PSU would've gone for a 1st down (if not more) and extended the drive had the pass been better. The TE passes against Nebraska were perfect counters to what Nebraska was doing. How many plays are stuffed at the line of scrimmage because of a missed assignment? You can probably go back through the UFRs to figure this out.
November 16th, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^
I agree with much of this, but I will say that the offense has gotten a bit less predictable this season. It still is largely predictable, especially on early downs, but it is evolving a bit. That evolution, with our playmakers and improved OL, has led to 9-1.
Good for Gattis -- I hope he gets the award. This offense does have a ways to go toward making sense in the context of modern theory, but improvement is good.
November 16th, 2021 at 3:10 PM ^
Sorry, i could have been more clear. I don't think Gattis being nominated for the award > Seth's detailed analysis, just that it does add another piece of evidence that Seth may be underestimating Gattis. That goes along with the other evidence of the offense being good this year.
It seems a stretch that the offense is having a very good year despite having worse playcalling than any point in the Hoke era.
Also, i didn't call it out as Seth is bad, just that Seth seems to have his RPS numbers calibrated very low. For instance, it seems a stretch that our offensive playcalling was worse blowing out an elite Wisconsin defense this year than it was in tight wins over awful Akron and UConn teams in 2013.
I think Gattis is generally underrated on this blog. He's not been amazing, the offense still has room to grow, but it's been very good this year and he's a very good OC.
November 15th, 2021 at 11:09 PM ^
My thoughts were....
November 15th, 2021 at 11:15 PM ^
Must have been the presnap penalties this week that got him noticed.
November 16th, 2021 at 7:18 AM ^
Yeah, I don't get it either.
November 16th, 2021 at 9:03 AM ^
On the very first one, Stueber was complaining to the refs. It looked like he was saying that PSU was clapping to get Michigan to move.
November 16th, 2021 at 12:09 AM ^
Football outsiders has M as the #5 offense in the country.
Considering the Bell injury & the recent Corum injury, that's very impressive, and Gattis deserves recognition.
November 16th, 2021 at 8:31 AM ^
Fuck that. Haskins and Corum deserve recognition, not Gattis. And to a lesser extent, McNamara for not making mistakes. This offense is doing well because of the players bailing out the horrible play-calling. The effort the players have made is not measurable - especially Haskins.
November 16th, 2021 at 10:19 AM ^
It's not an either/or situation. You can credit the coaches *and* the players for putting together a consistent & highly effective offense this year.
November 16th, 2021 at 10:45 AM ^
If that was the case, sure.
November 16th, 2021 at 10:45 AM ^
Well, it is being measured. Haskins gets sky-high RPS numbers.
RPS says the players are bailing out the playcalls by being awesome. Considering that's exactly what's happening on the field, it strikes me as a very obvious take.
November 16th, 2021 at 1:56 PM ^
Just because another's bias supports your bias doesn't mean your bias is the right one.
November 16th, 2021 at 1:56 PM ^
Just because another's bias supports your bias doesn't mean your bias is the right one.
November 16th, 2021 at 12:13 AM ^
Gattis deserves this. Our offense has been solid. Our passing game with QB and WR development has been steady growth.
Let’s fix the short yardage stiff.
November 16th, 2021 at 7:16 AM ^
I think they meant Matt Weiss.
November 16th, 2021 at 9:12 AM ^
This seems to be a worthy acknowledgement of what Gattis has done this year. What has he done? He changed himself - a lot! He accepted that his 'speed in space' wasn't working and took to a power run scheme that Harbaugh has proven many times over. He's done a credible job of integrating the two very different concepts. Even if play calling sometimes bogs down, this offense has been churning out points against everybody.
What else has he done? He's been the shepherd for development of the offense across the board:
- A new OL coach installing new blocking schemes as a base (power, split zone), and changing it up through the season - they now run outside with stretch zone blocking and have some inside zone stuff.
- Steady WR progression after the loss of Bell; CJ had ~10 receptions when he became the defacto go-to guy. Wilson has steadily improved and is now a legit threat; Andrel Anthony came out of nowhere; Mike Sainristil has been getting better and better; Henning is showing improvement...
- QB play started slowly, and has steadily improved with each game. As the WRs have improved, we've seen Cade go from limited throws outside, to drilling darts down the middle - and still with very few mistakes.
- Play calls that seem stale and well covered have been replaced with new tricks. Does anyone remember that they used to call a lot of bubble screens? Haven't seen them since Nebraska nerfed the first couple... We also just saw the renaissance of screen passes to the HB and the introduction of crossing patterns. The offense has been evolving all year...
None of this happens if Gattis doesn't accept that his preferred thing wasn't working. If he's not willing to change - to listen to the voices trying to help - we're still stuck with last years offense. But he did change, he's clearly listening to new ideas and concepts and accepting the help that we know Wiess and Harbaugh offer.
I think this nomination has been earned. Congratulations to Coach Gattis - I hope you win it!