Jim McElwain and CMU Speak on Stalions

Submitted by SpeakOut on November 1st, 2023 at 12:11 AM

"...the sign stealer guy" šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

https://twitter.com/BroadwellK/status/1719558811608887551

https://twitter.com/BroadwellK/status/1719558811608887551

 

He looks super uncomfortable talking about it though, which makese wonder if they were acquainted when McElwain was here. šŸ¤”

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Gooseggs

November 1st, 2023 at 12:15 AM ^

How could he not? Players from years before and after his time at Uw knew all about stalions. He may not have known about the sign stealing but he at least knew who he was.

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LabattBlue

November 1st, 2023 at 11:31 AM ^

Conner has been a prick since grade school through high school, constant bullying of all kids wearing MSU gear, 

Lake Orion Schools, Mom and Dad both teach at the high school.,

This is our fan boy at the BIG House, in his Michigan Maniac costume mommy and daddy bought, 

Used to hang outside the stadium trying to get petition signatures to become the official team mascot 

Wore this to school, all my nieces and nephews know him well and vomit every time he gets tv time, by the way Conner, your 10 year reunion was last weekend,  where were you superstar.

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MGolem

November 1st, 2023 at 7:54 AM ^

Complicit my ass. It is clear if it was Stalions he figured out this shit on his own. That is his whole thing, he believed he was smarter than everyone else. There is no way CMU would put themselves in the crosshairs by permitting a ridiculously low level staffer from another team on their sidelines. What could they possibly gain from this? Don't be ridiculous.

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CMHCFB

November 1st, 2023 at 11:56 AM ^

* He is Buckeye.  Fixed that for you.  Pointing out the obvious fact that CMU is now complicit is not trolling.  Iā€™m sorry you canā€™t distinguish between uncomfortable facts and ā€œtrollingā€ 

Trolling would be a statement like ā€œHarbaugh has still never beaten OSU without cheating.  Day broke Harbaugh, he cracked, and started the largest cheating operation in NCAA historyā€.  Thatā€™s not what Iā€™m saying.  
 

Take off you fan glasses for a moment and look at it rationally.  If you do not think Stallions being on the CMU sideline with a visitor pass wearing CMU coaching attire makes them complicit, please tell me why.  Otherwise, what are you defending? 
 

*edit in bold

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CMHCFB

November 1st, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^

So you think the CMU staff simply allows coaches from other teams to dress in their clothing and stand on their sidelines just for funsies?  CMU staff has ties to UM, and itā€™s not a leap to think Stallions would help them decode signals if they allow him on the sidelines to get more tape.  That is speculation, but CMU allowing him in their sidelines is not.  
Wild youā€™re defending CMU, but explain how allowing him to dress in their coaching attire and stand on their sidelines without being complicit. Stop shooting the messenger and think.  

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Hensons Mobileā€¦

November 1st, 2023 at 12:01 PM ^

Stop shooting the messenger 

You're not a messenger here lol. You're making up your own theory. You're not just passing along someone else's.

And by the way, your particular version of this conspiracy doesn't really make sense. If you want to claim CMU is complicit in some way, I think you need to work on it.

The biggest question is, why is standing on the sidelines better intel for Stalions than sitting in the stands? But let's just say his sunglasses are recording video and he's getting a better picture from the sideline than the stands.

You think Stalions is helping them decode signals? You surely don't mean in that game, because if he was doing that, we'd have been shown video of him looking at a play sheet and telling McElwain what play to call, right?

So you mean that for this one sideline access, in addition to his UM job, he's doing a similar job for CMU and his main compensation was one sideline access at the MSU game.

I don't think so.

As I said somewhere else, if someone at CMU let him onto the field there, I think he returned the favor and helped someone from CMU onto the UM sideline for the Bowling Green game. CMU played on Sunday that weekend.

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CMHCFB

November 1st, 2023 at 1:33 PM ^

Weird, I read ā€œIf you want to claim CMU is complicit in some way, I think you need to work on itā€

Back to the original post, CMU is at risk for being complicit and allowing him on the sidelines.  Itā€™s mind boggling that some want to debate that.  CMU is concerned as well, which kinda makes the point.  

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Hensons Mobileā€¦

November 1st, 2023 at 2:17 PM ^

So you agree that CMU is complicit?

I agree it's possible.

There is literal proof they let him on the sideline

There is not literal proof that it is Stalions. And regardless of who it is, there is not literal proof they "let him on the sideline" unless by that you mean they didn't catch him in the act and boot him. There were people positing that he sneaked on and was not caught. Most people don't call that him "being let in."

I was giving way more credence to your belief than the other people in this immediate part of the thread, but hey, if you only want to talk about it with people who agree with everything you say and offer no counter opinions or ideas, I'm happy for you to end this conversation.

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CMHCFB

November 1st, 2023 at 5:03 PM ^

Stallions was standing by their coaches and there are pics of him in clear view of J. McElwain.  He has a visitors pass and CMU attire.  

Itā€™s not plausible that CMU coaches see someone standing by them, wearing their coaching attire with a visitor pass, and donā€™t know who that person is.  Both McElwain (2018) and Kostner (2015-2018) were on staff at Michigan at the same time Stallions was assisting, they know him and what he looks like.

To me, the badge, attire, and standing with their staff is proof.  Itā€™s not a notarized statement, but it shows he wasnā€™t some random guy who jumped the fence, they knew who he was.   

 

 


 



Per DFP, Stalions attended the Naval Academy from 2013-16 and assisted with the Midshipmen football team. He was stationed at a military base in California from 2015-22, while at the same time serving as a voluntary assistant for Michiganā€

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Hensons Mobileā€¦

November 1st, 2023 at 6:05 PM ^

See, I agree that him knowing and acquiring, for the first game of the year, the correct coaching uniform is highly suspicious and suggests someone from CMU was helping him. The video below you posted does show him being very close to one person, who most looks like McGee from their list of staff that I could find. That does make it seem like McGee (we'll just say McGee) was aware of Stalions (we'll just say it's Stalions).

Other things you wrote above do not ring true to me, or at least not obviously true.

Itā€™s not plausible that CMU coaches see someone standing by them, wearing their coaching attire with a visitor pass, and donā€™t know who that person is.

The way you wrote that means everyone on staff knew who he was. So the entire coaching staff was in on this, by virtue of him being there?

 

Both McElwain (2018) and Kostner (2015-2018) were on staff at Michigan at the same time Stallions was assisting, they know him and what he looks like.

Kostner was a student assistant coach from 2015-18 at UM, same time that Stalions was doing his volunteering. Seems quite believable they crossed paths quite a bit, so probably Kostner is also involved.

McElwain I feel is more questionable at this point. He was the WR coach at UM for one year five years ago when Stalions was still a kid volunteer. Completely plausible that he would have no idea who Stalions is, especially in a context where he's not expecting him.

Now, you say he was "in clear view" of McElwain. I haven't studied the video so I haven't seen what that looked like, or who else he may have interacted with on the sideline.

I have not been on a football sideline during a game before, but it appears there are a lot of people who are pretty preoccupied, including the head coach, so I don't know that everyone is always noticing each person and assessing whether or not they know that person and why they're there.

If you're at this point convinced that McElwain is complicit, we can obviously throw out everything he said postgame last night. I'm just curious what the shape of that even would be.

None of this explains how he got the VB pass either, which I'd also like to know.

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JH2

November 1st, 2023 at 10:59 PM ^

Tit for tat. Da Ohio has known of stallions since 2021. This is a plant. Ohio psu game replay YTTV camera panned to fans n behold a guy wearing a Michigan jacket 31:18. At roughly 44:42 camera pans to same guy still wearing a Michigan jacket looking at his phone. This game was after the stallions n his minions scouting games saga began.

Am I being paranoid? Yes, about as much as da Ohio is pretending to be.

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