what does it go to show?
Tourney success can make a kid lean towards you over the other programs he's considering.
It's pro "don't root for conference foes in the tourney", especially conference foes in our recruiting area (Michigan, Indiana, Ohio specifically).
That being said, we already have Zeb
Because our rooting for foes will actually help them win games. ?
It won't. That's very true, and always will be true.
It's more about the logic behind rooting for the foes, rather than the result from rooting for them
perfect response well said
How do you know it will "always be true"? I can imagine a future-world where AI is so powerful and so deeply integrated into human biology that we can actually control the outcome of distant events (like sporting contests) should enough of us have similar wishes and impulses.
Just sayin'
No effect on the outcome but if that's the purpose of rooting for any team why root for your own team then?
To be a fan of a sports team is to link your emotions to the success of that team. Caring about outcomes, not affecting them. That is the lens under which to examine rooting interests.
You root for your own team because you're happy when good things happen to them. Rooting for rivals is rooting for bad things to happen to your team because then rivals get a leg up on recruiting, which seems kind of weird to do given that you've linked your emotions to the success of your team.
Michigan has actually had more tourney success than MSU lately so I dont think he committed to them based on that logic alone. He seemed to always be a MSU lean. At this point I just want us to land Franz Wagner and call it a day unless we have mass attrition.
I would also be happy with Lester Quinones. Wagner could probably provide more immediate help, but Lester would be a great fit with the team too.
I'd much prefer Franz Wagner over Quinones. Sam Webb said his sources at 247 said that Wagner would be a top 50 and maybe a 5* if he was currently ranked, which he is not since he's an uncommitted international player
Judging from his highlight reels he should definitely be a hypothetical 5 star. Looks like an elite scorer for his age
Gordon Hayward written all over him
At this point I'd say the chances of Quinones coming to Michigan are slim and none with slim heading toward the door. That he's being heavily recruited by the likes of Maryland, Memphis, and LSU tells me Michigan has no chance given the amounts of scuzz emanating from those schools.
For clarification, I don't think tourney results had any influence on Terry's decision, at least as it relates to Michigan. It wasn't going to be Michigan back in December when he was initially going to commit before family told him to slow it down and make sure the decision is the correct one.
There are a few talented 2021 prospects where on-court results may sway things because of relatively equal affinity for both programs.
That just means we have to kick their azz next year.
I've found that at least in terms of football recruiting, a great season pays off the most 18 months later in recruiting. Kids are smart enough to understand that sometimes teams can get lucky, and won't base an immediate decision off of the results of a few games that could go either way. But it gets a foot in the door for the following class, and two back to back good seasons is huge.
I don't think we were ever even targeting him... not to mention I would much rather have Zeb Jackson over Terry. In state 2020 talent is weak
Details, details.
Terry is like 5'9".
So is that Purdue guy. Not saying he's him but, your lack of height isn't a write him off issue.
Zeb looks like he is going to be a baller for us
We have Zeb Jackson and hadn’t offered Terry. Idk what this goes to show.
High 4 star, not 3 star. but that's what a deep tourney run will get you.?♂️ They always get those high ranked dudes from the state.
Huge difference between composite and 247 ranking. Also, instate talent for the 2020 class is pretty mediocre. Only good players are Terry and Scooby Johnson
Both have him as a high 4 star, with the 247 ranking being nearly a 5 star, which I think is a bit high.
I think having any player who is sub 6' ranked super highly is always hit or miss
Bingo. Prime example: Foster Loyer.
"They always get those high ranked dudes from the state."
Isiah Livers, Brandon Johns, and David DeJulius called to say hi...
Good players...but Cassius Winston, Xavier Tillman, Miles Bridges, Gabe Brown, Marcus Bingham, and DeYonta Davis say hi back. And 4 of those players just schooled our dudes 3 times and are playing for a title.?♂️ Fact is, we don't push for in state talent. And I'm still not sold on Johns.
Michigan played in the Championship game last year. If Michigan State loses on Saturday does that mean they suck again?
Michigan played in the title game with nearly an entirely different team. Michigan State will be returning almost all their dudes again next season. So no. Both teams will be very highly ranked next season.
I think the fact that Michigan three years in a row now has made the Sweet 16 or beyond despite losing the top three-ish players each time is exactly the point. Michigan is reloading with plenty of talent.
MSU loses Goins and McQuaid which are significant losses.
I would be shocked if both Winston and Tillman are back. Tillman is going to shoot up draft boards the way DJ Wilson did. Tillman is by far the best pro prospect on MSU, probably in the big ten. Guy can switch 1-5 with excellent defense, he finishes off the pick and roll and he's a good FT shooter which means he has a good chance to develop a 3pt shot (and is the kind of potential NBA teams will draft on).
Tillman should absolutely be a first round pick.
Winston should leave as well. He's done everything possible in college. His limitations are physical and that will always be the case. Coming back won't help him. He might was well start his pro career even if it's trying to make the roster in summer league. Why wait until next year to do that?
That said, I agree that both Michigan and MSU should be top 10 teams once again next year.
Goins will be replaced by Henry (who is their best pro prospect, not Tillman. Tillman is still a good pro prospect) and Malik Hall. McQuaid will be replaced by Rocket Watts. They still have Josh Langford. They're fine there.
As for Tillman and Winston...I can tell you 100% neither will be going to the NBA. Final Four exit, National Title, whatever it is....neither is leaving. If they're going to lose an underclassman, it's Ward.
lol, yes, Rocket Watts as a freshman will step right into McQuaid’s shoes as the best defender on the team and 40% three point shooter. As we have seen numerous times before, Izzo is amazing with playing freshmen and having them contribute early
Probably not defense as much, but that kid will definitely be seeing a lot of PT next year.
I think you're being sarcastic about the freshman thing, but 3 out of the last 7 freshmen of the years have been MSU guys
Tillman is not a 1st round pick at this point. I don't see the NBA taking a 6'8" defender without much offensive game that is not a freak athlete. If he can shoot the 3 with some consistency, then he has a shot, but he looks a decent ways off a 1st round pick to me.
Winston I could see leaving. He might slip into the first round too, though that seems like a stretch. Still, like you said, I'm not sure he can improve his draft stock with another year in college.
Ward might leave because he seems like a guy that doesn't like playing in college, but I doubt he gets drafted. He's the worst player in their rotation (due to lack of effort and bone headed plays), imo.
Yeah, I can't see Ward sticking around as a senior to play 10-15 minutes a game spotting Tillman and getting the occasional 20-25 when someone is in foul trouble.
Tillman has a great offensive game. Excellent finisher, excellent FT shooter for a big, which will likely translate to good three point shooting down the road.
And he's an elite, ELITE defender. Exactly the kind of defender the NBA drools over: a guy that can switch 1-5. His combination of block rate at 7.4 and steal rate of 2.4 are very strong indicators of length, athleticism and eventual NBA defensive success.
Buy.
For them it's always about winning no matter how much the path is filled with SWILL and abuse.
But you're more sold on Brown and Bingham than Johns?
Brown yes. Dude just came off the bench to light a team up in the Sweet 16. Bingham..not sold. IF he gains weight yes, kid can shoot and defend. If he can't gain weight, then no. He won't last in the B1G. Brown rode the bench this year because of his defensive effort not being where it should be. The kid is an offensive weapon. Johns hasn't shown me anything at all and I'm seeing why MSU chose to pursue Bingham harder, even if he is a major project.
I smell a Sparty troll, not a “realest”. Go back to your site, fanboy.
Of course he’s a Sparty troll. He just said Izzo really didn’t want Johns because they were going after someone else harder. That is taken from page 1 of the troll handbook-if you lose a recruit, you either didn’t want him anyway or you were going after someone else harder. It’s science
You know he's a troll because if izzo didn't want John's he wouldn't have called him to ream him out after he committed. Everyone knows that story.
MSU beat TTU? Wow I thought the game was Saturday. Must have missed that one.
Must have missed where anyone said they won.
You said they were playing for a title. Monday is title game, gotta win Saturday first.
Are they still playing for a title yes or no? 4 teams are. You're getting caught up unnecessarily on wording.