How well would Juwan Howard recruit?
If Juwan Howard was our coach, would he bring Jaden McDaniels with him? Do his sons Jace (20) and Jett (22) play as walk ons? After 20 odd years in the NBA does he know every player and their kids? Does he have a recruiting advantage over other coaches? ...or do the bag men even that out?
Yes.
We don't know...
Maybe you don't, but the rest of us do. So shut up and let us answer!
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Probably well
I lived in DC when Juwan played there and he is by nature a more introverted and private person. He does not come across as the recruiting type but then again, you could probably say the same about a lot of coaches that succeed out of sheer will.
As for his sons, they play in the district that my kids attend and I saw them play a game last year and really think Jett will be a star by the time he matures.
Rather doubt there is time to bring Jaden on board as he is expected to announce he is staying home in Washington any day now.
Id be in favor of Howard.. most definitely.. sure, he may not know Beilein strategies, but would be offset with him teaching players the skills, and his recruiting I bet could be a slam dunk. Really. The buzz would be astounding.
Word is in Lima, Simpson Sr been telling them Howard is the next coach.
Are we looking for someone to run a Beilein system or something new? JB was gifted in his strategy and coaching style. I don't know if that means success for those assistants who have been with him. I'm on the opinion of bringing something new.
I see what you did there.
No idea if this is true or not but I've heard Warde is hell bent on hiring a minority. That would explain why guys like Cooley, Shaka, Juwan, and LaVall are some of the rumored candidates.
I look forward to reading the sub-thread this will create in 5 hours.
Do you honestly think it will take 5 whole hours?
I hope that Warde is hell bent on hiring the best possible candidate that exists for the job, taking into account past resume, recruiting chops, ability to develop non-top-25 talent, ability to run a clean program and how well that person will represent our great program and university. I really hope that race does not factor into this at all.
I think you are underestimating the impact being able to identify with a coach could positively impact recruiting. Juwan grew up in low-income housing in the poorer area of Chicago, so by the fact that he's Black and grew up raised by his grandmother in a poorer area probably would help him connect with a lot of recruits on a real level and should not be overlooked
I think you mis-took my post. Re-read what I said.
I said that I want the BEST CANDIDATE in terms of coaching, development, RECRUITING, etc. IF Juwan being black and from a poorer part of Chicago gives him a recruiting advantage, then under my criteria, that should factor in.
What I don't want is race for the sake of race to be a consideration. There are plenty of black coaches from poor areas who can't recruit well, so I think that the assumption that just because Juwan is black and from a poor area he will recruit well is necessarily valid. But, like I said, recruiting prowess is definitely a factor. If Warde determines that Juwan - for reasons that either do or do not relate to his background - would be a good recruiter, then I am 100% behind taking that into account.
Juwan is a rumored candidate because he’s a legend at Michigan, great NBA assistant, NBA champion and all around respected guy.
Him being black is a bonus for obvious fucking reasons.
Ed Cooley and Shaka Smart aren’t any better than Porter fucking Moser, so your assumption that they’re only in consideration for being black is beyond stupid.
Warde is casting a wide net which is what he’s supposed to be doing!!
If you don’t know what a lie is people; here let me help you! “No idea if this is true or not but I’ve”HEARD” Warde is Hell bent on hiring a minority! This should get you banned but it won’t and for playing the race card I hope you rot where you eventually will rest!
Jesus dude, you did not hear that from Warde or anyone representing him.
Please don’t repeat that to1021, because I refuse to acknowledge (it) him or whatever he is in real life. He will make 1,000,000 more threads and lies about tires not getting kicked in OKC. Lies, Lies, Lies, yeah!!! He’s actually one of the Thompson Twins!
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I would imagine he would be able to bring in Jaden McDaniels. I don't how much The Fab Five nostalgia would bring nowadays. Those kids weren't alive during that era. I'm sure it would be cool to have one of those members in your living room, recruiting you and all, but does it carry legit weight on signing day?
Thoughts on that?
Look at the number of kids named Jalen. You could put a top 3 class together with just with the kids named Jalen. The parents of todays recruits know about the Fab 5.
First his youngest son is going to be pretty darn good if he keeps improving. Key is the staff he gets to recruit.
I don't think we have any idea. I don't think his basic profile (former NBA player, current NBA assistant, former college star, etc.) tells us anything about what he'd be like as a recruiter. None of those qualities is a guarantee of success. Patrick Ewing, for example, is doing pretty well recruiting for Georgetown given where they've been lately, but he's hardly setting the world on fire.
Just had an epiphany.... I remember now... after Juwan committed...it was him, who got Jimmy King and Ray Jackson, to commit... and then worked on Webber/Rose and got them to come too. I totallly forgot about the story when his grandma died and Fisher/Dutcher go to funeral, and he commits, and then gets everyone to join him. I think thats how it went. Anyway, if its true hes coming, I'll be happy...
I think he'd recruit exceptionally well... got King and Jackson from texas to join him, along with webber/rose.
but it wouldn't be this cycle with mcdaniels.. it'd be the next cycle. hopefully we have FIVE slots available that year.
So, we really don't know. There are two variables: 1. How is Juwan as an actual recruiter? Does he connect with athletes and their parents? Will he network well with coaches and "influencers?" 2. Where does he fall on the spectrum of "inducements" that are available, and what will take place while he is in college?
There's another question, though. He's basically a straight NBA guy right now. He has been an NBA assistant. He's used to working with professionals who can give 100% of their time to basketball, who are already pretty refined as athletes.
The question is, how will he do at developing players and coaching on the floor?
Player development is tricky. Some former athletes in various sports struggle to coach, and many have speculated that this is because playing is so "natural" for them that it is hard to communicate to other people what to do. In the NBA, you have more coaches (including personal coaches) and you have athletes that are generally already well-developed. In college you draft raw material and try to mold that into a profitable college player. How well will Juwan communicate to, say, a sophomore PG the subtleties of the keys and angles in a pick and roll to find the open shooter and pass to them?
Regarding the on-court stuff: I may be oversimplifying and I am open to correction from people who know more, but the impression I get is that college basketball tends to be more system-oriented, while the NBA is much more about plays. There are still systems in the NBA (the Rockets and the Warriors look nothing like each other for example) but the coaches in the NBA have much more time to design specific gameplans and plays that attack weaknesses of the other team, and to exploit the strengths of their own.
Greg Popovich is probably the best coach in basketball, but he is not wedded to any one "style." His teams were known for defense when he had Tim Duncan dominating the post. A few years ago his teams were masterclasses in ball movement and passing. The last two years, with Lamarcus Aldridge and no Kawhi, he has gone to a post-heavy offense in an era where it is less emphasized.
Juwan Howard has developed in that environment. It's not that college guys don't modify things according to the team and opponents, but it is much more system-based in college because you have less time to install stuff. Beilein couldn't just scrap his ball-screen offense against Texas Tech, for example.
Can Juwan balance the NBA-style adaptation with the need to build a structured offense and defense that college players can master?
This post is ridiculous. Juwan was a one of the all time great players from the most talent rich basketball city in America. He is one of only a handful of athletes to get drafted and actually come back and finish his degree (on time, no less). He had a tremendously long and successful NBA career. These things would profoundly resonate on the recruiting trail and are of way more importance than the other things you mentioned.
I don't think you actually read most of the post.
Nobody reads 100% of your long winded confabulations
Most of your questions can be answered by people who watch the NBA. Howard has developed Whiteside into a very respectable player. Add together his work with Riley and Spo and you can take a very good guess as to what his coaching style will be.
I read it. It was an exegisis on systems/gameplans which made zero sense and was inapplicable.
In three words, we don't know. But someone can ask him during the interview and Warde can call Pat Riley for reference.
Juwan was never most physically talented, but he was very polished and mature player as a teenage, and as he ages, his found his way to contribute into his 40's. I think that you will be pleasantly surprised by his basketball knowledge. The current roster is front court heavy and NCAA just moved the three point line back, I say bring him home and gave him a huge package for staffs so that he can hire the best assistant to complement him.
I’m aware this might be a minority position but I have never fully forgiven Juwan for playing a Duke alum on the West Wing.
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I think he'd recruit just fine. My ONLY reservation is how opposing coaches will use the fact that he is interviewing now and will be considered a candidate for future open NBA HC jobs. Will Juwann be able to resist throwing his name in the hat if a plum job in the league opens up? The scenario of Juwann having great success here for 3-5 years and then leaving for the NBA is something to consider in Warde's selection. Do we make that trade and start over? Maybe Yak or Saddi is truly ready then.
Gotta say, Warde will be earning his money in the next few weeks. Tough call.
My guess is it's all about authenticity and results. Beilein seemed like a pretty "real" guy who could point to productive NBA careers out of guys who weren't a given to reach it, and that worked for a subset of guys. I'm sure so guys just drop a bag of cash on the table and see where that takes them; Sean Miller certainly doesn't strike me as a particularly interesting or engaging personality.
My guess is Howard would be fine, but he always struck me as a bit quiet and reserved, and he'd have to break out of that mold a bit to maximize his recruiting output. But he can point to a long NBA career, a great college career, and being a relatively young guy. But I wouldn't expect him to walk into a room and pull in 5* kids.
"Quiet and reserved" is an odd category. I would say that Nick Saban falls into it, but even if you take for granted that Bama cheats through the nose, Saban still outrecruits other schools that cheat through the nose.
Some people who are "quiet and reserved" are quite capable of changing gears when the time comes and being gregarious and approachable.
I don't know anything about what Howard is like behind closed doors. And that's what really matters.
I coached an athlete years ago that was being recruited by several Big ten coaches. I assure you that when coach Knight came to visit practice and meet the coaches and the athlete, he was warm and engaging. very straightforward and honest in his standards (academic, athletic/coachability, attitude, and respect for authority) But my most vivid memory was his friendliness meeting each coach on the staff and learning their names and shaking their hands. In short, I would say that what you saw on the bench and in press conferences was not the same person as I met on the recruiting trail.
By contrast Bill Frieder and Gene Keady both came off as arrogant and even, to some degree, fake. Keady wore an open collar shirt under a sport coat with gold bling necklace in full view and spoke negatively about the other coaches in the conference not being able to make their players better (especially Frieder as he cited Tarpley's lack of development). Frider just seemed cocky to me.
These guys know how and when to turn on the warmth and charm. I don't think it matters that Juwan may be introverted...he'll figure out how to get the job done. Sometimes the quieter person seems more authentic and sincere than the "used car salesman" personality. We don't need a "Better Call Saul" guy here. I think Juwan would do fine in recruiting.
The player ended up going to IU and having a great career and a several year career in the NBA. I don't think he ever regretted his decision to go there, FWIW.
The real question for me is can he teach the game and develop players. That has been Belein's strength from day 1. That's what I'd like to know about Juwan before I hired him.
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Not exactly quiet and reserved. Cool as a Miles Davis' album, for sure.
Howard might be reserved but he is also sincere and trustworthy, too qualities many parents are looking for.
He would turn the program into a Memphis. Sure they'll grab a 5 star. Then they get knocked out in the first round and everyone leaves for the NBA.
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My thoughts on Juwan:
1. Former great player returning to his school - great news story, and may help a bit with recruiting.
2. Generally regarded in NBA circles as a really good coach who will be a HC eventually.
3. Juwan does not strike me as having the personality that leads to being a dominant recruiter, but the whole "I was on the Fab 5, had a LONG successful NBA career and then coached some of the top current NBA players" is a pretty damn good opening line.
My ONLY hesitation on Juwan is that the above description could equally have been written about Patrick Ewing, only his resume is even better - arguably a top 25 of all time NBA legend, dominant college player, #1 pick, member of the dream team (the original), the Hoya Destroya,etc. He came back to take over Georgetown and is currently not exactly doing well.
Patrick Ewing is not cool. He's a gray t-shirt under his Georgetown uniform. Georgetown was incredibly media-averse when Ewing was there. I don't think John Thompson let him talk to the media.
Juwan Howard is cool. He's baggy shorts and black socks. He done shook up the world.
Was Patrick Ewing ever considered for a head coaching position in the NBA? That is really what makes Juwan a legitimate candidate for me. His trajectory seems to be on an upward path and we could snag him at the exact right time.
Ewing is a half generation older as a player, and was never considered as NBA HC material after 15 years as an assistant.
A black (yes it matters) HC with NBA playing and coaching experience is probably not going to do too badly. I'm not sure anyone can say anything more specific than that.
Seriously!?! Point is if you are coming to Michigan you’re gonna hafta do it clean. So how would ANY coach that gets hired here have any recruiting advantage?????
I actually do not know. No one does.
Juwan Howard is an exceptional individual who will succeed at being a head coach in all respects. Look at his bio. He was raised by his grandmother in very difficult conditions in Chicago. In high school he succeeded both athletically and academically. He was the competitive heart of the Fab 5, the first to commit to Michigan. He helped Coach Fisher recruit his teammates. He was the first NBA player to leave college early but still get his degree in 4 years. He was the first NBA player to get a 100 million dollar contract. He will end up being a head coach at the NBA level as his long continuous NBA career as a player and assistant coach will earn him an offer. Michigan should not pass on this opportunity to give Juwan his first head coaching job as he is a perfect fit to be the face of Michigan Basketball.