How to Beat Ohio State

Submitted by trustBlue on December 2nd, 2019 at 10:47 AM

Justin Fields is right. The rivalry means more to OSU than it does to Michigan. I think we all know it's true.

But let's be clear: Its not about willingness to work hard. I am certain that our coaches and our players work as many hours and work every bit as hard as their guys. 

But their entire program, athletic department, and university is built to grind out every possible advantage for their football team. 

At every level, there is a willingness to do things that we simply are not willing to do, whether due to pride, ego, or the belief that there are things simply more important than football. 

Here's a list of thing we COULD do to beat Ohio State, but probably won't:

(1) Hire Urban Meyer. Yes, we all throw up in our collective mouths to even consider the thought. But would it work? Probably, yes.

Most of us are too proud to "admit defeat" by turning around and hiring Urban Meyer, but would OSU do it if the tables were turned? Almost certainly, the answer is yes.

This is not going to happen, but lets at least acknowledge that there are obvious things like this that we simply refuse to do out of pride, and that's inevitably a big part of the reason why OSU is better than us at football.

 

(2) Ignore academics

We work just as hard at chasing 4-5 star recruits, but OSU and most other elite programs are also willing to do things that we do not, like:

(a) Taking JUCOs

(b) Bringing in players who are not academically prepared for college and letting them skip class or take online classes.

(c) Aggresively pursuing non-grad transfers and challenging the NCAA to deny them immediate ineligiblity

(d) Keeping the kind of players that Michigan has dismissed for academic or behavior reasons (Brian Cole, Kareem Walker, etc.)

I'm not talking about paying players or cheating (we'll get to that), but OSU gets the best football players it can get period - not the best players who also happen to be good students.

Michigan's academic reputation is an advantage with some recruits, but the lack of flexibility definitely hurts us.

 

(3) Build the team around offense

We've been slow to adapt to the reality that the NCAA is now an offensive league.

This isn't the era when you can score 21 points against good teams and 40 against bad teams. OSU puts up 50+ on over half of the teams that it plays. It puts up 60-70+ points a couple times a year. Ryan Day is probably trying to figure out how to get that number to over 80.

Bringing in Gattis is starting to show some promise, but we are still behind in offensive mindset. The way we squander two minute drills at the end of a half, or the way we try to nurse small leads for 30 minutes, still feels like Harbaugh expects to win games 28-10 rather than 52-35.

OSU runs up the score even when they don't have to. This is smart because:

(a) The "eye test" matters when it comes to the playoffs. Beating a team by 45 looks better than cruising to an easy 10 point win.

(b) You get better at offense by running your offense, not by turtling up and running out the clock. Fields is confident in his ability to run to his left and make an off balance pass for a TD 30 yards down the field because he's had chances to take those kinds of shots all year.

(c) 5 star QBs and receivers want to come put up big yards and big points and pile up the kind of stats that win Heismans, not punt the ball for the entire second half.

People will complain about Don Brown and that's fine, but there is a much smaller gap between OSU's #1 ranked defense and our current defense, than their offensive capacity and ours.

 

(4) Fix Scheduling

We consistently shoot ourselves in the foot with scheduling.

We play 3 rivalry games a year. OSU plays one.

We waste off season practices prepping to play Air Force/Army or some other triple option team just so we can turn around and get run over by Wisconsin a week later.

We get stuck preparing for trap-game Indiana every year the week before the Game.

There was a recent thread about moving The Game to earlier in the season. That would probably better for us because, frankly, OSU has a better record of improving throughout the course of the season and seems to spend more time throughout the year preparing for The Game.

But again, we'll refuse to do something that might level the playing field even a little bit since that would mean "admitting defeat." Pride comes both before and after the fall I guess.

At the very least get rid of Army/Air Force/triple option teams, schedule a low P5 tomato can to replace ND, move Indiana to earlier in the year, and insert Maryland or Rutgers to the week before the Game.

 

(5) Sell out everything for The Game

Tressel built the entire identity of his program around beating Michigan. Not winning the Big Ten or a national championship - beating Michigan.

In the 2007 edition of The Game, Tressel broke every tendency of his Tressel-ball offense by adding spread elements to his offense (after our defense was exposed against the spread by App State and Oregon). MSU always empties their playbook against us with all manner of trick plays every year.

We always talk about Harbaugh "saving plays" for OSU, but I dont think we've ever shown up with anything remotely surprising (please dont count the "swinging gate" for a failed extra point play, or the ridiculous Pepcat stuff).

One thing I thought Hoke did well was always his teams always showed up against OSU even in the bad years. We always seemed to keep something in the tank for OSU no matter what, and I haven't see that under Harb(augh. We try to play them "straight up" every year and I'm not sure how you can win that way given the talent gap.

Get rid of everything that doesn't help you beat OSU. No more 3 "rivals" - OSU is the only rival that matters. Start practicing for The Game on first day of practice. Don't schedule service acadamies or anything else that takes away preparation for OSU. Dedicate both bye weeks to exclusively to OSU prep. Install an entire secret OSU playbook with plays exclusively dedicated to the Game. Install a secret triple option offense or some other quirk that catches them by surprise. You get the picture.

It may cost us a game or two to someone else, but the tradeoff is worth it to steal even an occassional win against OSU.

 

(6) Lie, cheat, steal.

Cheating happens in big time sports. The Houston Astros were recently caught stealing opposing teams' signals. Belicheck was fined $500,000 after he was caught filming opposing teams. Yes, this is probably a bridge too far, but I bet you Urban Meyer and Ryan Day think about this stuff when they lie awake at night.

I'm not going to get into paying players or PEDs. I have no insight into who get paid for what. Maybe we do it too, but if either team has an advantage here, its certainly not in our favor. Im also sure that every team including Michigan has players that dabble with PEDs, but I have seen enough players fail to gain weight (Drake Harris comes to mind) to feel confident that there's no instututional push toward PEDs that you might find at other progams.

There are also a bunch of things we could do that might not technically be illegal, but would probably be distateful. I'm thinking like sending someone undercover to give cash to an OSU player while secretly getting evidence on camera. Or hiring someone to follow players and try to catch them smoking weed, etc. Again we're not going to do any of this stuff, but you don't think this doesn't happen in the SEC all the time? You don't think that OSU has fans or boosters trying to do this stuff to our players?

 

(7) Being Realistic

As a said in the beginning, I don't expect that we'll do any of this stuff. We're not going to start paying players or taking JUCOs. We're not going to hire Urban Meyer.

However, I would like to see at a minimum:

(a) Go after transfers aggresively. I dont undersand why we would settle for having obvious holes in our roster while OSU can make a mockery of the NCAA's undergrad transfer rules. We should have had a transfer DT this year. We have a lot of holes to fill at CB going forward. There's absolutely no reason why we should not go after 3-4 transfers a year. Otherwise we're simply going to get beat by OSU on recruiting AND on transfers.

(b) Push for name and likeness rights for players. This is by far the best thing we can do reduce the advantage for teams who pay their players under the table.

(c) No more service academies. Have i mentioned this a few times already? Lets find some other way to support the troops, but no more triple option teams.

(d) Stop expecting to win games 28-10. Its not the 90s anymore. 55-35 is the new normal.

(e) Maybe run ONE thing that you save for OSU or that breaks tendency ffs.

chunkums

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:00 PM ^

I think we had two different problems in these games. In 2018 we had no pass rush and Haskins just sat back in the pocket all day picking us apart. Some of this was both of our ends being injured and some of it was OSU playing out of their damn minds for the first time all year. In 2019 they effortlessly gashed us up the middle because our DTs were as helpless as they were against Wisconsin. This opened up easy bombs when they decided to pass. 

mGrowOld

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^

I must be in the minority around here because not once since the game ended did I think "hey, I bet the guys on MgoBlog want to know my very important thoughts on things and to make sure those guys see it I'll create my own unique and oh-so special thread about it (because my thoughts are important).  I cant just lob in a comment inside one of the other, oh i dunno, 40-50 other threads created by other posters sharing their important thoughts.  Oh fuck that cause if I did you guys might miss my important thoughts and hey, my thoughts are important so i need to create a thread."

And the funny thing is it seems to always be either newbies or lurkers who have this compulsion cause I barely EVER recognize a user name when one of these "important thoughts about things" posts go up.

Blue_Bull_Run

December 2nd, 2019 at 1:18 PM ^

The OP’s mistake is that he thought he was adding value by making a compilation of Unoriginal hot takes that are already posted in other threads. He thought the sum of these hot takes might be greater than the parts. Turns out that even when compiled into list form, they still lack value. Rookie mistake, and it’s coming from a place of pain that we are all feeling. Chalk it up as a lesson in internet posting lol. 

My name ... is Tim

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:15 AM ^

I continue to be amazed by the scheduling complaints year after year. We went undefeated in non-conference this year! Playing IU the week before The Game is too big of a task? OSU just played its most challenging opponent all year (Penn State) the week before! The only problem with scheduling is that our biggest yearly rival and division-mate is Ohio State who is a Top 3 program every year and will continue to kick our ass and shut the door on our top-level goals each year.

Naked Bootlegger

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:42 AM ^

Also don't get the scheduling complaints, either.    The OP decides to trot out the perennial Indiana trap game before OSU every year as proof that we need to change the schedule? Seriously?  Do we simply change the B1G schedule by anonymously dropping a piece of paper in the B1G suggestion box that asks OSU to be scheduled earlier in the year and also don't schedule any so-called trap games before or after OSU?       

I know I should just avoid reading these posts.   But sometimes I can't.

MH20

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:20 AM ^

Spare me the bullshit. Justin Fields doesn't care about OSU or Michigan or the rivalry one iota. He exists in Columbus purely because it was the fastest way for him to get to the NFL.

DHughes5218

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:20 AM ^

Urban isn’t coming here and neither is Saban. Just because you want something doesn’t mean you automatically get it.

OSU has one juco on the roster that I found. That’s not the problem or the answer.

OSU started the same number of transfers as we did...1. We can complain that Fields was immediately eligible but then remember that Shea was too.

osu runs up the score on people because their second team is better than most 1st teams. If you thought they were playing starters late in their blowout wins, you are mistaken.

Scheduling. I would much rather play Indiana like we did vs playing PSU like OSU had to do. 

Yes we have three rivals but everyone is bringing their best shot at OSU because they’ve been running the Big 10 forever.

Cheating, paying players - I’m sure this happens everywhere. I know Blazer testified last spring that he paid UM football players, but I have no idea on what scale we do it compared to other schools. I know we landed some top talent like Dax Hill, Solomon, Gary, that every school in the country wanted and it would be foolish to believe they turned down pay days at better football programs to play at UM for free. Maybe we just need more of it.

Academics. I’ve mentioned this several times recently but our own coach blasted us because athletes were being directed to easy classes and not allowed to pursue certain degrees. 

Just get better players, do a better job of developing them, and build on your success. I think the loss in 2016 was a major setback. Harbaugh can get us there but it starts with recruiting. Whatever it takes. The trips across the world are great, but recruits don’t get to go and while the staff is gone, others schools are visiting them. 

GOMBLOG

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:18 PM ^

The academic stuff is nonsense.   Academic advisors job is to get these kids a degree at UM.  Most of the athletes playing ball for UM wouldn’t pass admission at Grand Rapids Community College.  There’s a reason they are recommended to take easy classes.  

OfficerRabbit

December 2nd, 2019 at 9:43 PM ^

As an OSU fan, and a fan invested in keeping this the greatest rivalry in all of sports, I commend you for an honest, rational take on the OP's somewhat laughable post. I live in Sylvania, OH.. pretty much 50/50 OSU/UM fans. Our fanbase certainly has its contingent of idiots, as does any major program. I'd be happy to watch a game with you or any other UM fans with rational takes.. and I don't enjoy watching The Game with OSU mouth breathers any more than you all do. As with most of our society now, it seems like the more vocal idiots in our fanbases get much of the press, and thats really a disservice to the majority of rational, even keeled fans who just want to win a rivalry game.

sjordan1949

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:27 AM ^

This is the standard Michigan response to THE GAME results.  Fact is, there is only one JUCO transfer on the OSU team and he is not on the two deep chart.  Secondly, OSU's academic acceptance requirements for athletes are well above the NCAA minimums and they have had to stop recruiting many talented players because admissions wouldn't support their continued recruitment.  Third, if UM offered Urban Meyer the coaching job, he would throw up in his mouth and would not take it.

You Only Live Twice

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:50 AM ^

Michigan would not offer Urban Meyer.  That would be the day I stop watching.

Moot point anyway. The environment for college coaches in Michigan is not conducive to the success of a Meyer, or a Saban.  Speaking of Saban, let's see.  He got MSU a string of 6 win seasons, then after one 9 win seasons, off to LSU where he suddenly, magically became a better coach.

It's not that Meyer thinks he's too good for Michigan.  When Greg Mattison says he can take recruits at OSU he wasn't allowed to bring here, that says a lot.

Also enough with these "Fix it" threads?

Mercury Hayes

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:30 AM ^

The Michigan Athletic Department and communications staff should be using grads in the media as mouthpieces to get their message across. 

 

1. Shefter, Woodson, etc. - should be out there saying what is known. OSU is paying players and the NCAA refuses to look into it. OSU is doing 100% online classes for players and it is a sham. This will turn into nothing and may not harm the football team but it will ruin their reputation as a university.

2. Stephen Ross should be floating out the idea of Ryan Day to the NFL. If not to the Dolphins than leak to an agent that he is the talk of the league. Herbstreit would do it. It is time that we get Stephen Ross to get every coach that OSU ever has linked to the NFL.

 

3. Misinformation. Spread it. In recruiting. In the media. On Twitter. Don't care. It's time.

trustBlue

December 2nd, 2019 at 5:01 PM ^

Of course you're getting downvoted, but its the truth. You think this is not going on at OSU? Where do people think those rumors about Harbaugh to the NFL come from every year?

But of course we're too good for that stuff because this is Michigan and all we really need is someone like Bo to come give our guys a pep talk.

bronxblue

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:31 AM ^

Bring back the Snowflake threads because good lord I'm done with the "OSU is full of cheaters and Vikings and we should be the shittiest version we can to win" takes.  

OSU does what it can because the rules/systems allow it.  But they are also better at the stuff Michigan has control over.  It's on Michigan to get a bit better and for OSU to get worse.  

I'm also done with the bullshit "OSU cares more than Michigan" stuff.  MSU "cared" more about their game against UM until Michigan got better coached and all of a sudden MSU couldn't do anything except rely on crazy plays and 5 TO games in the rain.  If Michigan suddenly wins a couple of games because OSU gets worse coaching and player development stalls out, that isn't because Michigan suddenly "cared" more.

Turd Fergusen

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^

Stop with the academics horseshit.  Michigan uses the same reduced enrollment criteria as every other school.  Rashan Gary didn't get a frigging 9 on the Wonderlic because of his academic prowess.  Stop kidding yourselves with this nonsense, it's embarrassing.

Ohio State develops players.  Those players get to the NFL.  Recruits see this and want to go where they have the best chance to reach their goals and the cycle continues.

As for paying players under the table, you assholes have a ton of nerve.  Apparently, the public IP addresses in Michigan don't allow HTML links like the ones to this article through but...

mr_garydaniels

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:39 PM ^

Rashan got a 9 on the wonderlic because he's dyslexic.  He took hard classes at U of M, and tutors probably helped him read and respond to material.  Doubtful somebody was there to help him interpret the wonderlic.  

I believe the $300 to $1,000 per month claim, and this seems to be one small, independent actor.  Clemson is funneling hundreds of thousands, if not millions, through churches to players now, and I have no doubt that other teams are doing this.  And once they get there, they don't have to play school.  

I agree Michigan's coaching and execution have to get better, but for fuck's sake, how much better do we have to get to overcome these structural disadvantages in recruiting and preparation?  Damn the NCAA and damn college football.

pinkfloyd2000

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:53 AM ^

RE: Your point about scheduling -- well, we only have two rivalry games now, at least until 2033. 

Also, moving the OSU game? Are you serious? Michigan has been playing Ohio State in the final game of the regular season since 1935 (with the exceptions of 1942, 1986, and 1998). I repeat: SINCE 1935.

Sorry, but that isn't gonna change now just because one side can't keep up its end of the bargain. 

 

scfanblue

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:57 AM ^

Simple solution.

#1-Better player development

#2-Get back into Ohio recruiting. If Hoke did it then so can you BUT Hoke had Mattison to help with that and now you are competing against him.

#3-Hold your entire defensive staff including Don Brown accountable as coaches. Its a business not a friendship. If he cannot compete against high capacity offenses then move on to someone who can.  

#4- The academic thing is total horse shit. Athletes at Michigan are just like athletes at Clemson/Georgia or anywhere else. Claiming a higher standard is bullshit.What is a General Studies degree? What can you do with that? Honest question and would like to know?   

mr_garydaniels

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:32 PM ^

#1-3, you have a point, damnit. 

#4?  Oh, please.  I sat next to players in classes, and I wasn't getting a general studies degree.  I was taking hard classes!  Meanwhile, somebody is filling out Justin Fields's assignments on a laptop while he does voluntary workouts or memorizes M's tendencies.  

Oh, and the OSU guy is getting paid six figures.  

Tuebor

December 2nd, 2019 at 11:59 AM ^

Get rid of P5 non conference opponents.  Let's feast on 3 MAC teams and they play our tough schedule.


Our best shot to get into the playoffs might be to be at 11-1 with our only loss to 13-0 OSU.  We should try to maximize this possibility.

UMxWolverines

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:06 PM ^

We have 2 non conference losses in 5 years...our problem is not non conference scheduling. It's that we continuously shit the bed on the road...badly. If you want an elite season you're going to have to win at Penn State, at Iowa, at Wisconsin, or at MSU in one season, that's just life. OSU has won at Penn State like 4 out of the last 5 times they've played there. Same at Camp Randall. 

Tuebor

December 2nd, 2019 at 1:26 PM ^

Michigan dropped from #14 to #21 in the AP and from #14 to #22 in the coaches poll after we lost @ND in 2018.  We could have been playing Arkansas (Whose lone FBS win was against Tulsa) at the big house.  We then peaked at #4 in the CFP poll and ended up at #7 in the final CFP poll.  If we were undefeated we could have probably peaked at #2 and then after the loss to OSU maybe we could have slipped in at #4.  Who knows.

 

Having Home and Homes with Washington, Texas, and Oklahoma in the next 8 years is not a smart decision as long as we have the schedule boost from playing in the big ten east.

Dr. Detroit

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:20 PM ^

If Michigan does this they should also lose the Maize & Blue color scheme & winged helmet design.  let Nike do what they want... Mettalic pink & purple steel with neon laser piping sounds about right.

mr_garydaniels

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:24 PM ^

Nah, dude.  We need to meet them on their level.  They won't use blue pens?  Ok, I see you, OSU.  No more red stop signs.  All Ann Arbor stop signs are now maize.  They're gonna cross out the letter M?  Fine.  We aren't going to use the word "the" anymore.  You want to trademark "the"?  Fine, you can have it.  We never needed it anyway.

We need to take this rivalry more serious.  As serious as Justin Fields.  It has nothing to do with their payments under the table or nonexistent academic requirements once you get on campus and the NCAA's willingness to look the other way or let them off with a slap on the wrist.  That's just M arrogance right there.  

In all seriousness, college football sucks, and it's only getting suckier.  I quit.

Dorothy_ Mantooth

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:27 PM ^

the most effective way to beat OSU next year is to score more points than them 

start w/that concept and work from there

SouthOfHeaven

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:31 PM ^

I see some dudes bagging on the offense, but I think we've finally figured it out. Gattis came with some growing pains, but Shea was lighting it up through the air in November. This is absolutely an offense that can go toe-to-toe with anyone, and we've got a lot of young skill-position players with a bright future. 

 

The main issue is defense. We seem to pad the stats against inferior teams, yet blow it when top-tier defense is truly needed. It reminds me of Rich Rod's offenses, but on the other side of the ball. I'm not with the "fire Harbaugh" crowd, but I wouldn't be sad to see a change at DC.

 

As a side note, it's funny how Mattison's defenses  seem to take a shit in this game, regardless of which side he's on. It was always the defense getting smoked and the offense inexplicably coming out on fire to keep us in the game during the Hoke years. Nobody expected us to pass for over 300 yards last Saturday. 

WalmartMarineW…

December 2nd, 2019 at 12:33 PM ^

Many laugh at coach Orgeron down at LSU, he took that program from not doing much to competing for a national championship. He had the Alabama problem and he knew the offense wasn’t good enough to win in the SEC. He used Bama as a measuring stick and put that first, beat them everything else should fall into place. 
 

look at Ohio, they couldn’t beat “us” in the 90’s they had a Michigan problem. They adapted in whatever way they needed, ethical or unethical, they had to change their ways. 
 

will Michigan change for their “our” Ohio problem now? 17-1 is what they are since Tressel took over minus the hiatus 2011 season. So what is this program willing to do. I’m a fan of the sport and this team, some of you cannot fathom Michigan getting their hands dirty getting into the muck the NCAA refuses to look at.

 

why is that? why are some fans all about the wins and some are just nose up and move on?  Like it doesn’t matter, it should matter. You call your selves Michigan men and are ok with what you see from the football program? Come on.
 

The fab five got caught but if were today no one would even care. My point on that is if you cannot beat them, the top tier programs in CFB, might as well join in. 

jcorqian

December 2nd, 2019 at 1:41 PM ^

Yes, because they hired Tressel who was a known cheater at Youngstown State.  They made a trade-off - bend the rules for better performance.  It's painfully obvious...  It's not like a coach just randomly decides to cheat, they brought in a new coach to do the cheating.  The facts are staring you in the face.