Hoops: 2022-23 lineup projections now that the transfer portal free transfer window has lapsed.
This is obviously post Frankie. I’m going to do lineups two different ways, since we don’t know the status of Caleb or Moussa, and won’t until June.
With them coming back:
Starters: Hunter, Diabate, Caleb, Kobe and Llewellyn.
Backups: Reed, T Will, Barnes or Tschetter, Jett and Dug.
If Barnes doesn’t win a spot this year, he will transfer. If Tschetter doesn’t, he may still stick around because his prospects the following year may be a little better.
Without them and not knowing who might replace them:
Starters: Hunter, T Will, Jett, Kobe and Llewellyn.
Backups: Reed, Tschetter, Barnes and Dug. The unknowns could potentially unseat Barnes and/or Tschetter.
FWIW I guess a player could have notified the administration that they are going to transfer but not be in the portal yet. This was mentioned on Michigan Insider this morning.
I think Jett will be pushing Kobe hard no matter who comes back. That will be interesting to watch.
You would think it would’ve gotten some coverage by now, if so. Maybe not, though. If anyone else transfers I don’t think it’ll be a major minutes person, imo. Jett will push Kobe no doubt but I thought I had read he’s not really a shooting guard per se.
I credit BPONE, but my thought on seeing this thread was, let's wait until Wednesday :).
My understanding is that Jett is a 3 and then a 2. If Diabate or Houstan go pro, he probably starts at the 3. I assume he'll play both the 2 and the 3. Terrence Williams could start at the 4 if Diabate leave as another option. A good amount of positional flexibility from Jett, Willams and Houstan.
Need another ball-handling guard or wing.
I heard Frankie Collins is in the portal. Maybe he could be persuaded based on available playing time. Might be worth pursuing. 🤔
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The return of Turd Ferguson!
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Good luck getting through admissions.
With only 2 thumbs up in 4 hours, MGB wins today's award for most underrated comment. (I read this comment in my head in Steven Wright's deadpan tone.)
The rumblings are that Diabate is most likely sticking through with the draft. But there is still a good chance Caleb comes back for next season.
Also if anyone cares about this, Brendan Quinn on a podcast the other day said that the “Emoni to Michigan” stuff was all hot air and wasn’t anything real.
That rings true. But they could still grab a different transfer, and I hope they do.
Oh I agree. The 2/3 position and depth is lacking right now. Need a ballhandling wing who can either defend at a high level or shoot the 3 at a high level.
Hmmm. Sounds like Jett Howard to me.
It could be, but I think it’s a mistake to assume Jett will come in and be an instant contributor. Those assumptions are what led to last year’s Michigan team struggling early in the season. Expecting big things out of your freshman is becoming less and less reliable in CBB.
I think it’s really cool that he won MVP at that Iverson classic and that lots of people are praising him as being an up and coming star. Maybe he does come in and splashes big time. But I’m not holding my breath for that. And you know who I bet agrees with that calculus? The coaching staff.
Seems like we need a ballhandling anyone right?
Emoni just cut down his list…and Michigan was on it. Don’t know if he’s a done deal, but I think it is more than hot air.
To be fair, I still have Michigan on my list for when I commit to play baseball. - MP, UM class of '90.
AntWright is full of shit? Knock me over with a feather.
Where we at on scholarships? If both Houstan/Diabate come back we full? 2 spots open if not? Gotta think we look to add someone if we got open spots. Last I heard portal had like 1300 guys in it.
Yes if both Houstan and Diabate come back then all 13 scholarship spots are filled. But, I think it is very likely that one of them sticks in the NBA draft and doesn't return.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Hunter Dickinson's Michigan Insider interview from today where he drags our NIL program or lack there of. Confirms a lot of our worst fears.
The thing that has depressed me most was seeing the naive enthusiasm of people cheering the payola. That's tapering off quickly, but as little as two weeks ago you had people here cheering each time news emerged that this or that player--anywhere--was getting a (now legal) bag. NIL and payola are two different things--or pretty obviously should be distinguished--and Michigan is not going to embrace the latter readily; why hasn't this been obvious to everyone and their brother? Therefore, we will fall far behind.
That was all so predictable that some of us were predicting it days after "NIL" was announced, when the first hints of open payola began to emerge. You would think that even the most ardent free marketeer would have at this point realized that Michigan isn't going down this road in a hurry; oddly, it still aspires to be a university/place that foregrounds learning.
Expecting state legislatures to get behind policing is not something we should hold our breath for, either. Take a state like Georgia, or Florida--or hell, Michigan. Two-thirds of members are graduates of state institutions and want their biggest schools to prosper on the sports field. Heck, people have long laughed that what really divides the House and Senate in places like Florida and Alabama is not R and D politics (the Rs, despite an almost perfectly even R-D split among voters in both states, control their worlds through gerrymandering), but the frat boy rivalry between FSU and UF/Auburn and Alabama grads. They're going to take this bull by the horns and clean up payola in college sports? (MSU may not be a good university, but they keep themselves in the public eye, on a nominal par with Michigan, through sports--think that they'll voluntarily handicap themselves? And somehow all align in some grand gesture of well-mannered cowboy capitalism as well?) At which point along this timeline is gentlemanly recruiting supposed to be inserted? Remind me?
Just had an old friend write and tell me he was bailing on all this. Lotta people will. And now people are going to be surprised that Hunter Dickinson turns out to be a rather shallowly-oriented and very venal 19-year-old (not steeped in the classics). Team loyalty? Kiss that ish goodbye.
I gather you'd rather have just payola, then?
Payola has always been around. If Michigan has NIL available, why would it fall *farther* behind? What am I missing? (1) Are you assuming that payola (here, that which can't be classed as NIL) will now increase in the aggregate?
Would you prefer the pre-NIL world where schools like Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky regularly dumped $100K+ on numerous 1-and-dones while schools like ours (while not necessarily wholly clean) fought over the leftovers with other relatively clean schools? Where SEC schools and their bag men ( https://www.bannersociety.com/2014/4/10/20703758/bag-man-paying-college-football-players ) did the same in football?
"... Hunter Dickinson turns out to be a rather shallowly-oriented and very venal 19-year-old (not steeped in the classics)."
Harsh.
(1) I think the southerners are being disingenuous in this ( https://www.si.com/college/2022/05/02/nil-name-image-likeness-experts-divided-over-boosters-laws-recruiting ) piece, but I can see where a slow-moving Michigan could wind up farther behind in the short term before everything settles.
"Are you assuming that payola (here, that which can't be classed as NIL) will now increase in the aggregate?"
Absolutely. Just like legalizing medical weed massively increased the illegal recreational weed market.
Ive been bitching about our money cannon for awhile. If posters where theoretically clutching their pearls and saying we should wait and see I cant imagine what our 70 year old boosters were thinking. As always we are behind the times.
Hunter is 21 years old and MSU is a good university.
As demonstrated by their rigorous admissions process.
(on par with WCC from what I understand)
Im still waiting to see how Michigan athletes getting paid affects Michigan as an academic institution? So as soon as Hunter Dickinson signs a sponsorship deal with MDen Michigan will start lowering its academic requirements? If Frankie Collins got a bag of cash from Zingermans to stay here that also means admissions would just take anyone with a 2.0 GPA, right?
Payola, foregrounds, venal, ish. MGlobules, you use big words, write well and throw in some slang too, while avoiding curses. Interesting style with which to receive your endless supply of mgodowns (-).
Pure speculation on my part but if both Houstan and Diabate return, I wouldn't be surprised if TWill transfers. There have been rumblings of him doing so and honestly if he's not a starter next year, I wouldn't blame him for leaving. He clearly showed last year IMO that he was ready for a big role this year and if he's fighting Jett and Gregg Glenn for backup minutes, I think it would be totally fair for him to look for more minutes elsewhere as an upperclassman.
So one way or another I think another scholarship opens up for another sorely needed guard.
Isn’t it too late for him to transfer?
5/1 was deadline with no permission basically. Now you have to get approval. But I doubt that’s hard with ncaa. Especially in Twill case, if two guys decided to come back.
The deadline to enter the portal, transfer to a new school AND play for fall sports was May 1. TWill can transfer whenever he really wants. He would just need a waiver or to sit out a year now.
Yep and in a world where Houstan and Diabate are both back I could see him sitting out even. If I were him I wouldn't want to use a year of eligibility coming off the bench when he could clearly start for most D1 teams.
Emoni puts Michigan in his final 6
Why are we now doing top 6 and cutting down lists in the transfer portal? Call me old fashioned, but once you do this for a recruitment, you have used your 15 minutes. If you transfer you don't get to do it again, Lebron.
I am all for some hoops talk, but I don’t really see the point of this with so many questions still left.
We have two guys in that list likely to go pro and one or more new portal additions. It is impossible to know what the likely rotation is.
Well, my favorite sport is basketball so I thought I’d post about it. I really didnt want to to beat the “why did Frankie transfer” dead horse anymore. The only real questions right now are about Caleb and Moussa. I gave options whether they stay or go. Nobody what the coaches will know what the rotation is and likely into the preseason camp but we can speculate. Sorry some don’t approve of this on a message board, I’m just Michigan sports bored in the off-season.
My two cents: being able to b.s. about possible starting lineups is one of the reasons to have a message board.
I agree. This is one of the only boards I’ve ever seen where people lose their mind if you put up a post speculating about next seasons lineup or depth chart. It’s weird.
You think it’s likely that both go? I disagree.
Hoops fans need to hope Diabate stays in the draft. If both Houstan/Diabate return we have the same poor roster construction we did last year. Not enough guards. We added Llewyllen and Dug. We lost Frankie, Jones, and Eli. Yes, Kobe should be better in year 2. But adding Llewyllen to eliminate Frankie does no good. Better if a 3-4 transferred than Frankie. Thus, for this team to hit its true potential, I think Disbate goes and we add a guard with Houstan back. I haven’t heard us connected to anyone but Bates, so give me him over Diabate. 6-8, but acts like a true guard with ball handling and quickness.
Why do we keep forgetting about Jett? Kids been said to be the most pro ready prospect at the Jordan/Iverson classics. Him + Caleb + Llew will be plenty of shooting. Bufkin and Twill make a jump = more shooting. If Diabate leaves then I think we'll absolutely pursue a 2 or 3 guard in the portal.
Everyone says he’s a 3. Is he someone who has good ball handling skills?
After watching some film he appears to, yes.