getsome

February 5th, 2024 at 6:16 PM ^

yes, if theyre not capable of coordinating at the highest level.  maybe one or both would be great in that role.  were not in the building so we have no clue.  some guys top out as position coaches though.  nothing wrong with that.  its difficult to see the whole picture, call a game, manage staff and an entire side of the ball.  maybe they havent promoted internally bc moore doesnt see anyone up to the job.  tough balance bw finding the right guys and getting a full staff up and running in timely manner

WestQuad

February 5th, 2024 at 4:52 PM ^

Agreed.  I'm still looking at Harbaugh as an NFL coach who did his alma mater a solid by being our coach for 9 years and winning a National Championship while on loan from the NFL.  ...but taking the whole staff with him including coaches he doesn't need (Herbert) is sort of a dick move. 

bo_lives

February 5th, 2024 at 11:33 PM ^

Jim Harbaugh deserves a thousand statues and to be supreme dictator of the entire state of Michigan for life. Clink and Elston are not going to leave Michigan for a pay cut. If they leave, it's because they got offered a better deal. If you're upset about this, your anger should be directed at Warde, who's literal fucking job is to provide Michigan football with the best staff possible. Given what has happened to the b-ball program, I don't think he has a fucking clue what he's doing.

FrankMurphy

February 5th, 2024 at 11:49 PM ^

Or maybe, just maybe--hear me out here--there's no one to blame for this? Maybe winning a natty makes your coaches a hot commodity? Maybe Jim wants to replicate the same incredible chemistry he had on his last Michigan staff? Maybe, just maybe, we should resist both the jilted ex mindset and the torch-and-pitchfork mindset?

FrankMurphy

February 5th, 2024 at 11:58 PM ^

He's still our dick. The man rescued the program when it was a dumpster fire. He went 15-0 and WON A FUCKING NATTY. He won THREE CONSECUTIVE B1G CHAMPIONSHIPS. He beat Ohio State teams that were ranked in the top three THREE TIMES IN A ROW. Those accolades will be in the trophy case forever.

There ain't a damn thing he can do (beyond snitching on us to the NCAA or some shit) to diminish his standing as one of the greatest Wolverines of all time.

rice4114

February 5th, 2024 at 6:16 PM ^

I think these coaches have extreme tunnel vision. When he was at Stanford, and made some comments, I really dont think he gave fuck all about Michigan. When he decided to come back he was 100% focused and cared about the school. Now that he is gone he is that Stanford guy once again. Doesnt have any ill will but if there are 6 fantastic coaches on Michigan he will want them all. He will be curious to see how we do going forward but its kinda like your old job. How much do you REALLY care about it?

schreibee

February 5th, 2024 at 11:47 PM ^

This fits in completely with a point I made somewhere in this thread about Jim being lazy & arrogant for thinking simply transporting Michigan's staff to LA to work with nfl players was his ticket. 

Professional players aren't looking for a "mental strength guru" - in fact they may openly rebel against this whole notion of bringing a college staff in to teach them to work hard & have camaraderie like Teams 142, 143 & 144 did.

It's arrogant - OK, that's Jim Harbaugh, we get that. But it's also lazy in that it's not critically thinking about how to succeed in the league, it's trying to transport the college experience into the league. 

All these guys already went to  college. Most of them did not choose the Michigan experience the first time either! 

JonnyHintz

February 5th, 2024 at 9:11 PM ^

At the end of the day, it’s not Jim’s job to make sure Michigan continues to succeed. It IS his job to make sure the LA Chargers succeed. He’d be doing himself and his current employer a disservice if he’s not actively trying to get the best staff possible in place to run the team to his vision. His loyalty to Michigan doesn’t outweigh his loyalty to his current situation. 
 

It is now on Sherrone Moore to convince these guys to stay, or otherwise replace them with quality candidates. Harbaugh isn’t “taking” anyone. These are grown men who make their own decisions. 

Class of 1817

February 5th, 2024 at 5:16 PM ^

He pulled our tire fire of a program out of a perma-nosedive. He did it by building and rebuilding his staff many times over. If members of his ex-staff want to go, that’s their business.

This isn’t Harbaugh pulling them kicking and screaming. I also think it’s hilarious that people are spitting vitriol at a man raiding the cabinet he filled.

blueheron

February 5th, 2024 at 5:30 PM ^

I'm reminded a little of when Maizen and his enablers were furious that Michigan didn't "get" Logan Brown (https://247sports.com/Player/logan-brown-45572566/high-school-181328/). Never mind the possibility that Logan was his own person and may not have had any deep interest in Michigan.

Elston and "Clink" are grown men (and then some). If they feel that the Chargers (Harbaugh) offer a better career opportunity, they'll take it. If they don't, Harbaugh has no hold on them.

schreibee

February 5th, 2024 at 11:53 PM ^

But is he, is the very legitimate question of the day.

I'm firmly in the camp that trying to replicate the Team 144 Experience in the NFL by robbing Michigan of its staff is harmful to Michigan AND doomed to failure. 

Just hope he doesn't call the players he doesn't think work hard enough "slugs"!

MichiganFootball

February 5th, 2024 at 5:38 PM ^

You can’t lock people in the closet and stop them from leaving for jobs that they think are better.

And also both Clinkscale and Elston may feel like they deserve the promotion to DC.  As would many if they were in their position.  Hard to fault them if they leave after not getting a promotion they feel is deserved.  As many would do in their circumstances.

robpollard

February 5th, 2024 at 6:03 PM ^

Yeah, my goodness, some posters on here are giant babies.

This is a competitive business. If UM wants to be competitive for these particular people, it has to give them the best offer: salary, job duties, path for advancement, environment, etc. So if they want to keep Clinkscale (for example) he's going to need to have at least part of defensive coordinator duties (more than he had in 2023) and a salary bump.

If Moore doesn't want to do that, and is like, "That's alright - we would like to keep you where you are at in 2023" then Clink has every right to take another offer that would have certain advantages (e.g., more pay; more prestige).

Did ND suck their thumbs when we went after the Director of Player Personnel? No. They offered the guy more cash, better contract, etc. Michigan can decide to step up for these guys, or not: it's a choice for Michigan and a choice for them. That's how it works. 

Brodie

February 5th, 2024 at 4:47 PM ^

This is really bad, and to a great extent really undercuts the entire case for hiring Moore without a search. The whole point was supposed to be continuity. Now it seems like the entire NFL wants anyone we would consider and the lack of desire to promote internally on that side of the ball is costing us our two best position coaches and recruiters. 
 

if given a choice between continuity on offense and defense, I know most of us would have chosen the latter. 

MgoHillbilly

February 5th, 2024 at 5:21 PM ^

If he knew he was going to gut the staff, then he should have given us the option of pulling in a coach like Brian Kelly who has the experience to assemble a staff of his own. Crowning Sherrone if all our defensive stars leave will have been a ridiculously premature thing to do that falls 100% on Jim.

bo_lives

February 6th, 2024 at 10:49 AM ^

Clearly Jim pursued them. He thinks they’re good coaches and he’s doing his best to assemble a great staff. It’s Warde’s and Sherrone’s job to ensure Michigan has the best staff possible, not Harbaugh’s. If the assistants think the better job is at the Chargers, that’s their decision to make. I don’t need to be privy to anything to know that Warde had an opportunity to retain them. If you want to pretend that there’s absolutely nothing Warde could have done, then the Chargers must be the better job by a long shot. Who are you to criticize people for getting and receiving a job offer they liked better? You’re like the ex-boss who whines about an employee getting poached by a rival firm that offered a promotion and more money. What did you think was going to happen?

And you are absolutely batshit insane if you think Michigan wanted or could have gotten Brian Kelly. Sherrone was the top candidate for the job, and nothing about the timing of Harbaugh’s departure changes that. You think that after everything that transpired this year, with Sherrone’s wins against PSU and OSU, Michigan was going to say “thanks but no thanks, we prefer the angry purple ex-leprechaun”? Even in your absurd scenario where that happened, how is that preferable to where we are now? Everyone but you would be beside themselves. It would be the Carr/Rich Rod situation except justified. I feel ridiculous just entertaining the notion, much less endorsing it. You’re the fakest fan on earth if you watched the last 20 years of Michigan football and you aren’t kissing Harbaugh’s feet no matter what the guy does, much less pining for Brian Kelly of all people. Good grief.

MichiganFootball

February 5th, 2024 at 5:39 PM ^

I mean there wasn’t really another alternative out there once DeBoer went to Alabama.

We weren’t poaching Dan Lanning for instance after he already turned down Alabama.  I don’t think there was a ton of value in interviewing someone like Lance Leopold.

And we haven’t actually lost any players of note yet.