Harbaugh pushing for Clink and Elston per Sam Webb
https://x.com/samwebb77/status/1754613068133191948?s=61
I have thoughts on this, but I am going to calm myself down before I give them.
February 5th, 2024 at 6:22 PM ^
Gonna be asking Ron Bellamy if he wants to bring any of his West Bloomfield staff with him.
February 5th, 2024 at 8:25 PM ^
Wondering how he’s gonna pay for doubles badminton.
February 5th, 2024 at 6:16 PM ^
yes, if theyre not capable of coordinating at the highest level. maybe one or both would be great in that role. were not in the building so we have no clue. some guys top out as position coaches though. nothing wrong with that. its difficult to see the whole picture, call a game, manage staff and an entire side of the ball. maybe they havent promoted internally bc moore doesnt see anyone up to the job. tough balance bw finding the right guys and getting a full staff up and running in timely manner
February 5th, 2024 at 4:47 PM ^
It’s a dick move to raid most of the staff from your alma mater, especially after you held them over a barrel until late in the cycle.
February 5th, 2024 at 4:52 PM ^
Agreed. I'm still looking at Harbaugh as an NFL coach who did his alma mater a solid by being our coach for 9 years and winning a National Championship while on loan from the NFL. ...but taking the whole staff with him including coaches he doesn't need (Herbert) is sort of a dick move.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:19 PM ^
It's not sort of a dick move, it's an extremely dick move.
Based solely on his post NC behavior, Jim can take a long walk off a short pier.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:33 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh deserves a thousand statues and to be supreme dictator of the entire state of Michigan for life. Clink and Elston are not going to leave Michigan for a pay cut. If they leave, it's because they got offered a better deal. If you're upset about this, your anger should be directed at Warde, who's literal fucking job is to provide Michigan football with the best staff possible. Given what has happened to the b-ball program, I don't think he has a fucking clue what he's doing.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:49 PM ^
Or maybe, just maybe--hear me out here--there's no one to blame for this? Maybe winning a natty makes your coaches a hot commodity? Maybe Jim wants to replicate the same incredible chemistry he had on his last Michigan staff? Maybe, just maybe, we should resist both the jilted ex mindset and the torch-and-pitchfork mindset?
February 6th, 2024 at 9:50 AM ^
This post was waaaayyy too level headed for an internet message board. You must be new here.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:21 PM ^
The fans collectively overlooked it for good, obvious reasons, but Harbaugh is rather famously a dick.
To be clear, I’m appreciative of his time here and am eternally grateful for the natty, but yeah, Harbaugh can be a dick.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:52 PM ^
Yes, but he was our dick.
February 5th, 2024 at 7:08 PM ^
Not anymore. We're now in post coital dysphoria.
February 5th, 2024 at 7:17 PM ^
I'm not a doctor. Does that mean we're now dickless?
February 5th, 2024 at 7:24 PM ^
Yes, it's true. This fan base has no dick....well that's what I heard!
February 5th, 2024 at 8:03 PM ^
he wasn’t my dick. I named my dick the octagon.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:58 PM ^
He's still our dick. The man rescued the program when it was a dumpster fire. He went 15-0 and WON A FUCKING NATTY. He won THREE CONSECUTIVE B1G CHAMPIONSHIPS. He beat Ohio State teams that were ranked in the top three THREE TIMES IN A ROW. Those accolades will be in the trophy case forever.
There ain't a damn thing he can do (beyond snitching on us to the NCAA or some shit) to diminish his standing as one of the greatest Wolverines of all time.
February 6th, 2024 at 9:46 AM ^
it was a joke from a movie man
calm down
February 5th, 2024 at 5:56 PM ^
He may be a dick, but he's our dick.
Oh wait...
February 5th, 2024 at 6:16 PM ^
I think these coaches have extreme tunnel vision. When he was at Stanford, and made some comments, I really dont think he gave fuck all about Michigan. When he decided to come back he was 100% focused and cared about the school. Now that he is gone he is that Stanford guy once again. Doesnt have any ill will but if there are 6 fantastic coaches on Michigan he will want them all. He will be curious to see how we do going forward but its kinda like your old job. How much do you REALLY care about it?
February 6th, 2024 at 6:44 AM ^
Spot on. Not just a dick, but weird, aloof, and high maintenance. He always came at a price, and part of that price is what Michigan is paying now. I'll be glad when all this turmoil has finally settled down and we can look forward again.
February 5th, 2024 at 8:31 PM ^
I bet he thinks of Herbert as not only a traditional S & C coach but also as some sort of mental strength guru. The kind of person that brings intangibles that lead to a winning culture.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:47 PM ^
This fits in completely with a point I made somewhere in this thread about Jim being lazy & arrogant for thinking simply transporting Michigan's staff to LA to work with nfl players was his ticket.
Professional players aren't looking for a "mental strength guru" - in fact they may openly rebel against this whole notion of bringing a college staff in to teach them to work hard & have camaraderie like Teams 142, 143 & 144 did.
It's arrogant - OK, that's Jim Harbaugh, we get that. But it's also lazy in that it's not critically thinking about how to succeed in the league, it's trying to transport the college experience into the league.
All these guys already went to college. Most of them did not choose the Michigan experience the first time either!
February 6th, 2024 at 5:18 AM ^
They like working together. The other coaches evidently like working with a guy everyone wants to call a dick now too.
So they like the guy and maybe the thought of working for a guy they like in the NFL where all you do is coach football is appealing.
February 5th, 2024 at 9:11 PM ^
At the end of the day, it’s not Jim’s job to make sure Michigan continues to succeed. It IS his job to make sure the LA Chargers succeed. He’d be doing himself and his current employer a disservice if he’s not actively trying to get the best staff possible in place to run the team to his vision. His loyalty to Michigan doesn’t outweigh his loyalty to his current situation.
It is now on Sherrone Moore to convince these guys to stay, or otherwise replace them with quality candidates. Harbaugh isn’t “taking” anyone. These are grown men who make their own decisions.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:14 PM ^
The guy just brought Michigan it’s first National Championship in decades, something that may not happen again, and a month later he’s branded a dick. Fans are really something.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:50 PM ^
If he's legitimately trying to take virtually the entire Michigan staff to his next job, Sherrone & Michigan be damned - yeah, a bit of a dick.
February 6th, 2024 at 6:47 AM ^
It seems a justifiable take to me. Someone can achieve great things and still be a dick.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:16 PM ^
He pulled our tire fire of a program out of a perma-nosedive. He did it by building and rebuilding his staff many times over. If members of his ex-staff want to go, that’s their business.
This isn’t Harbaugh pulling them kicking and screaming. I also think it’s hilarious that people are spitting vitriol at a man raiding the cabinet he filled.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:30 PM ^
I'm reminded a little of when Maizen and his enablers were furious that Michigan didn't "get" Logan Brown (https://247sports.com/Player/logan-brown-45572566/high-school-181328/). Never mind the possibility that Logan was his own person and may not have had any deep interest in Michigan.
Elston and "Clink" are grown men (and then some). If they feel that the Chargers (Harbaugh) offer a better career opportunity, they'll take it. If they don't, Harbaugh has no hold on them.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:40 PM ^
No. It puts his school and former program in an unnecessarily bad spot, under a rookie HC. He could have given Moore a slightly smoother runway. Take a few guys, fine. But jeez.
February 5th, 2024 at 9:15 PM ^
It’s not his job to make sure Michigan or Moore have a smooth runway. Jim is going to do what is best for Jim and the LA Chargers.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:53 PM ^
But is he, is the very legitimate question of the day.
I'm firmly in the camp that trying to replicate the Team 144 Experience in the NFL by robbing Michigan of its staff is harmful to Michigan AND doomed to failure.
Just hope he doesn't call the players he doesn't think work hard enough "slugs"!
February 6th, 2024 at 3:10 PM ^
Yes, he is. Whether he succeeds at doing so is another question for another time. But he’s absolutely doing what he thinks is best for his current job. He didn’t take that job for shits and giggles. He wants a Super Bowl.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:36 PM ^
yeah it's almost like (checks watch) four weeks ago today didn't even happen
or if it did it's outweighed by this
"...but..."
February 5th, 2024 at 5:38 PM ^
You can’t lock people in the closet and stop them from leaving for jobs that they think are better.
And also both Clinkscale and Elston may feel like they deserve the promotion to DC. As would many if they were in their position. Hard to fault them if they leave after not getting a promotion they feel is deserved. As many would do in their circumstances.
February 5th, 2024 at 6:03 PM ^
Yeah, my goodness, some posters on here are giant babies.
This is a competitive business. If UM wants to be competitive for these particular people, it has to give them the best offer: salary, job duties, path for advancement, environment, etc. So if they want to keep Clinkscale (for example) he's going to need to have at least part of defensive coordinator duties (more than he had in 2023) and a salary bump.
If Moore doesn't want to do that, and is like, "That's alright - we would like to keep you where you are at in 2023" then Clink has every right to take another offer that would have certain advantages (e.g., more pay; more prestige).
Did ND suck their thumbs when we went after the Director of Player Personnel? No. They offered the guy more cash, better contract, etc. Michigan can decide to step up for these guys, or not: it's a choice for Michigan and a choice for them. That's how it works.
February 5th, 2024 at 4:47 PM ^
This is really bad, and to a great extent really undercuts the entire case for hiring Moore without a search. The whole point was supposed to be continuity. Now it seems like the entire NFL wants anyone we would consider and the lack of desire to promote internally on that side of the ball is costing us our two best position coaches and recruiters.
if given a choice between continuity on offense and defense, I know most of us would have chosen the latter.
February 5th, 2024 at 4:52 PM ^
Hard to disagree with any of that.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:21 PM ^
If he knew he was going to gut the staff, then he should have given us the option of pulling in a coach like Brian Kelly who has the experience to assemble a staff of his own. Crowning Sherrone if all our defensive stars leave will have been a ridiculously premature thing to do that falls 100% on Jim.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:57 PM ^
This^. Moore is great if you leave the D largely intact. He’s not the choice if you take the whole staff with you. You’d want to bring in someone who has their own staff/network.
February 5th, 2024 at 7:08 PM ^
I’d rather go 0-12 than have Brian Kelly as a coach. Fuck that guy.
February 5th, 2024 at 11:35 PM ^
100% on Jim? You are seriously a fucking idiot if you think that. Not a single one of the coaches who left did so without asking Warde for a counteroffer.
February 6th, 2024 at 8:44 AM ^
That's awesome that you were privy to each and every of those contract negotiations.
And since I'm such a fucking idiot, perhaps you can enlighten all of us on how they get offered jobs with the chargers if Jim doesn't pursue them?
February 6th, 2024 at 10:49 AM ^
Clearly Jim pursued them. He thinks they’re good coaches and he’s doing his best to assemble a great staff. It’s Warde’s and Sherrone’s job to ensure Michigan has the best staff possible, not Harbaugh’s. If the assistants think the better job is at the Chargers, that’s their decision to make. I don’t need to be privy to anything to know that Warde had an opportunity to retain them. If you want to pretend that there’s absolutely nothing Warde could have done, then the Chargers must be the better job by a long shot. Who are you to criticize people for getting and receiving a job offer they liked better? You’re like the ex-boss who whines about an employee getting poached by a rival firm that offered a promotion and more money. What did you think was going to happen?
And you are absolutely batshit insane if you think Michigan wanted or could have gotten Brian Kelly. Sherrone was the top candidate for the job, and nothing about the timing of Harbaugh’s departure changes that. You think that after everything that transpired this year, with Sherrone’s wins against PSU and OSU, Michigan was going to say “thanks but no thanks, we prefer the angry purple ex-leprechaun”? Even in your absurd scenario where that happened, how is that preferable to where we are now? Everyone but you would be beside themselves. It would be the Carr/Rich Rod situation except justified. I feel ridiculous just entertaining the notion, much less endorsing it. You’re the fakest fan on earth if you watched the last 20 years of Michigan football and you aren’t kissing Harbaugh’s feet no matter what the guy does, much less pining for Brian Kelly of all people. Good grief.
February 6th, 2024 at 11:32 AM ^
I see, people with different opinions are insane. You're also some kind of clairvoyant mind reader that knows what everyone's thinking.
Whatever anyone says, you'll just keep defending Jim and upvoting yourself when you get negged.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:39 PM ^
I mean there wasn’t really another alternative out there once DeBoer went to Alabama.
We weren’t poaching Dan Lanning for instance after he already turned down Alabama. I don’t think there was a ton of value in interviewing someone like Lance Leopold.
And we haven’t actually lost any players of note yet.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:52 PM ^
There was Kiffin. And Kelly.
February 5th, 2024 at 6:11 PM ^
Two excellent reasons to promote Moore without conducting an external search, excellent point.
February 5th, 2024 at 8:07 PM ^
Brian Kelly killed a kid. He’s persona non grata for me.
February 5th, 2024 at 9:09 PM ^
I didn’t want to say it, but I had my upvote ready for whoever did.