Harbaugh to Attend Hearing Friday: "I'm going to talk"
Title says it all . . . gonna be fun.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38890110/michigan-jim-…
November 13th, 2023 at 4:39 PM ^
I think they released what they had already and the story never got reported in the way stations stuff did so never got any traction and the b1g said in they’re statement they didn’t care about what Michigan had provided going so far as to call what other teams did as “deciphering” as opposed to “stealing”. Media types theses days with they’re routine doublespeak
November 13th, 2023 at 6:12 PM ^
There’s a mob mentality here as well, as you can see.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
I have no clue what they have or don’t have. We know they presented something that at the time the B1G didn’t find it credible or it didn’t fit their narrative. I think at this point whatever Michigan thinks they have would be brought up at trial (if this thing gets that far). The obvious issue that will come up if it goes that far is the identity of the private investigation firm as well as who hired them. A buddy of mine is in management at a PI firm in NY. They don’t work for free or out of the goodness of their hearts
November 13th, 2023 at 6:16 PM ^
For the sake of conversation, what good would it do this investigation on us to tie the PI firm directly to OSU?
For the court of public opinion, sure, I see how it would make OSU look like douchebags, but we're still having to deal with our own broken rules.
If we uncover that OSU hired a PR firm, then that's kind of a different story.
November 13th, 2023 at 10:05 PM ^
“They don’t work for free or out of the goodness of their hearts”
They might if say, someone’s brother needed a favor.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:27 PM ^
"it was all bark".
that's one possibility. another is that M does indeed have a bunch of 'dirt' on others, and is currently holding it for any number of possible reasons.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^
There would be no reason at all to hold it.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^
No. If you have it, you release it when it will do you the most good and your enemies the most harm. You let this BS with the B1G run its course. Let them set a precedent, then you release and see if they can follow their own precedent.
Releasing anything now does Michigan no good. Whataboutism won't help us here.
November 13th, 2023 at 5:14 PM ^
One exception might be releasing something that disrupts Ohio State's game planning and puts pressure on Day.
If they have the goods with i's dotted and t's crossed by then, let it fly.
November 13th, 2023 at 6:37 PM ^
I think this is the reasonable take. It seems way more probable than not that the sending of the investigative report to the NCAA was timed for maximum impact -- if indeed there was suspicion that Michigan was cheating last season (such that OSU was taking countermeasures), then why wait 11 months before reporting those concerns to the NCAA if not to have the biggest impact on Michigan's season?
This "campaign" (if you will) is waged on multiple fronts -- the NCAA inquiry, the B1G's pre-emptive penalty, and the leak-driven media/PR campaign. Michigan's argument with the B1G is a procedural one, so it's important to keep the process points front and center until there is more clarity about where that is heading. The time to point out the ridiculousness of others' reactions to what actually happened will be after the facts are more clearly established.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:51 PM ^
Shuttlesworth is a troll; #ignore
November 13th, 2023 at 5:01 PM ^
Well, I wouldn’t hire you for any meaningful negotiations. Absolutely there’s reason to hold on to info. The tro doesn’t have discovery so M can drop a bomb on Friday. And I’d only drop one thing then. Never shoot your wad at once. You end up like tuck.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^
Being close to MSU, ND, and Michigan for over 40 years, I know for a FACT that the NCAA is very selective on what they act on. VERY SELECTIVE. As R.I.P. Coach Bobby Knight said, “Cleveland State is gonna get hammered” by this new rule/investigation. But not Kentucky or North Carolina.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:51 PM ^
This is Wolverine91 during the PSU game:
"Moore sucks dick. We’re gonna lose bc of him. Good job idiot "
Nostradamus, this guy ain't.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:35 PM ^
Smoke at this point.
November 13th, 2023 at 3:44 PM ^
I’m not an attorney, but - based on the type of hearing - will there be an opportunity for Harbaugh to speak, make a statement, or testify?
It’s great that he’s going to be there - and, I’ll cheer for him.
What does this procedure allow?
November 13th, 2023 at 3:51 PM ^
for one, he will be able to comment at minimum on the whole situation which is more than the NCAA has allowed him to do in the 4 weeks that the witchhunt has been going on........And the NCAA cant say a fricking word about it.
Knowing Harbaugh, he may spend his time advocating for Brown Jug burgers
November 13th, 2023 at 4:27 PM ^
Knowing Harbaugh, he may spend his time advocating for Brown Jug burgers
I love our coach as much as the rest of y'all, but he is in the wrong here. Shoulda taken the recruits to the far superior Ray's Red Hots around the corner, and I say that as someone who doesn't like hot dogs - except for the ones I got there.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:46 PM ^
He could have given them vouchers to the South Quad cafeteria. Oh, but - IIRC, university building access was closed to non-registered / active students because of Covid.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:15 PM ^
I'd expect any statements he gives would be under oath as testimony.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:22 PM ^
In which case, he better tell the truth or he'll be guilty of a crime.
His record in telling the truth to investigator and attorney types, to date, is a bit ... spotty. To say the least.
Plus he doesn't really have much if anything to add to the legal B1G vs. UM case. I doubt he testifies under oath. From a lawyer's perspective, he's the ultimate loose cannon.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:26 PM ^
"In which case, he better tell the truth or he'll be guilty of a crime."
No shit, Clarence Darrow. Did you learn that from watching reruns of Matlock?
November 13th, 2023 at 4:28 PM ^
Just helping him out. Given his previous record, he could use it.
And all for free, too!
November 13th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^
Troll
November 13th, 2023 at 5:00 PM ^
Ayyyye it's a punk ass troll that's had an account for 14 years. Go fuck off to whatever cesspool you belong to.
November 13th, 2023 at 7:15 PM ^
Found Jim Stapleton's account, guys.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^
here comes Shuttlesworth, trolling again. Why do you even spend time on this site?
November 13th, 2023 at 4:53 PM ^
For me, the answer is that I'm a grad of the school, a big fan of the football team (and several of the school's other teams), and the writers are pretty good (even when, as now, playing a little too much to the masses).
Why do you?
November 13th, 2023 at 5:30 PM ^
I’ve met people like him in person. They tend to have very low self esteem, and feel better about their sorrowful lives if they can make others feel badly. Misery often does love company. I pity him.
November 13th, 2023 at 5:33 PM ^
Oops. That was supposed to be in reply to Swayze Sheen’s comment: “here comes Shuttlesworth, trolling again. Why do you even spend time on this site?”
November 13th, 2023 at 9:47 PM ^
Preliminary injunction hearings can be anything from just the attorneys arguing over legal points to basically a complete bench trial. All depends on the nature of the case and salient issues, the amount of time the court has, which witnesses are available, etc.
If Harbaugh testifies then I expect it will mostly be to establish the harm that not being able to coach on the sidelines causes to him personally and to the team and the university. I don’t imagine M’s lawyers would ask him about the alleged violations or the Conner Stalions or any of that. The opposing lawyers might on cross-examination but hard to predict to what extent that would be allowed because it’s of limited relevance.
Harbaugh might conceivably also testify about the limited value of sign stealing, the lack of any impact on player safety, and other stuff within his expertise as a football coach—though if I were M’s lawyers I would get independent expert for that.
November 13th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
America's Team.
Bet.
Go Blue.
I rest my case.
November 13th, 2023 at 3:48 PM ^
What I want to see Harbaugh say?
After a lopsided victory over OSU when approached by all American girl Jenny Taft as he walks out onto the field.
“Where’s Lou Holtz”
November 13th, 2023 at 3:48 PM ^
I admire the thought, however, Harbaugh's lawyers will not let him talk in court. Nothing but downside and I assume the judge would swear him in if he was permitted to say anything. No way.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^
Making a statement that his lawyers vetted in advance doesn't seem like a stretch. The lawyers can weigh in but this is just a hearing and he probably can make a statement without questioning from the opposing counsel.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:15 PM ^
While I am a lawyer, I am not his lawyer, and I am not your lawyer, either. But I have handled multiple TRO hearings, some in front of this judge.
If it were my case, I would not have Coach testify at all on Friday- this is about what the B1G did, and anything that takes away from that focus at this hearing is not helpful.
Also, IIRC Angelique Chengelis tweeted afterwards that Jim wasn't sure he'd be speaking at the hearing.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:31 PM ^
How do you know you're not my lawyer?
November 13th, 2023 at 4:43 PM ^
Check didn't clear yet! :D
November 13th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^
Funny set of responses. I see no reason for Jim to speak. TRO request is not the trial.
November 13th, 2023 at 10:03 PM ^
I don’t know if the Big Ten will file a response brief before the hearing. But whether JH testifies could well depend on (1) what the B1G argues and (2) what the judge wants to know.
To me, the irreparable harm prong is obvious. If the Big Ten concedes irreparable harm and just want s to argue over the likelihood of success, or if the judge says he thinks irreparable harm is clear and only wants to hear about likelihood of success, then JH’s testimony wouldn’t be relevant. But if the Big Ten contests the irreparable harm prong and the judge isn’t convinced, Harbaugh’s testimony could be needed to establish that element.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:16 PM ^
I would be willing to bet that the lawyers will let him talk.......Normally yes, I see your point, but with him pretty much being forced to not comment for 4 weeks, I think they will make sure he has an opportunity. Might be scripted statement but he will talk
November 13th, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
If nothing else, he can say "I'm not allowed to defend myself because the NCAA won't allow it."
Kind of makes the point about why punishment shouldn't be leveled yet.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:45 PM ^
(Not a lawyer here) If Harbaugh were to speak, wouldn't he be subject to cross examination? He's already been suspended for paying for $10 burgers (while other programs shell out tens of thousands of dollars per recruiting visit). Given how the B1G has been operating, I'd expect the B1G lawyers to attempt to trip him up on his memory of some petty, inconsequential detail.
Run the Victory Formation in court, Jim.
November 13th, 2023 at 10:12 PM ^
Yes, if he testifies the Big Ten can cross-examine. But I wouldn’t be seriously worried about that.
November 13th, 2023 at 3:49 PM ^
is he going to bring his low maintenance, high production chickens with him?
November 13th, 2023 at 3:49 PM ^
Harbaughs whole presser is peak Harbaugh. Recommend watching the whole thing. America’s team!
November 13th, 2023 at 6:39 PM ^
No kidding. If there has been a better Harbaugh presser in the past, I don't remember it. He's incredibly philosophical and even (at times) personal (!). I think his rugged voice contributes to the effect, but it sounds like a coach, late in life, reflecting on his whole career.
November 13th, 2023 at 7:10 PM ^
I’m not going to pretend like I haven’t called for his head in the past. I did and I was wrong. There’s no one else I’d rather have coaching our program. What these assholes have done to a kind, great man I will never forgive.
November 14th, 2023 at 12:26 AM ^
Absolutely seconded. I was wrong as well. Mea culpa.
November 13th, 2023 at 3:49 PM ^
I hope he goes full Dave Chapelle......... This whole GOD DAMN court is out of order!!!!!!