Halftime Survey: Should we reduce the size of the student section?

Submitted by othernel on October 6th, 2018 at 3:12 PM

Not to get all Saban-esque, and I know there was a lightning delay, but so far this season, it seems like a large chunk of the student section has zero interest in showing up for the actual games.

For today's game, it was clear that the rest of the stadium was nearly filled out, even against a non-rival on a bad weather day, so why is the student section only 60% full at the beginning of the 2nd quarter.

At this point is it just an inefficiency in the number of seats allotted?  Should the Athletic Dept reduce the number of overall seats in that section, which would open up more seats for the regular fans who want to be there (and maybe even lower overall prices?

I'd like to hear the board's thoughts.

Section 1.8

October 7th, 2018 at 2:26 PM ^

That's right.  I posted the photo of the Nebraska game midway in the Fourth Quarter, and it was terrible.  The students and their defenders can claim that the game was out of reach and that Michigan was blowing out the Cornhuskers by almost 50 points.  That's okay, but it is pretty freaking ironic to then hear from the students and their defenders that they are the really superior fans in Michigan Stadium.  I won't listen to anybody gripe about "standing" and "yelling" if they aren't even in the Stadium.  The photographic evidence is pretty stark; in this thread I have posted the ugly picture of the student sections at the end of the 3rd quarter vs. Maryland.  (Homecoming!  With what turned into nice weather after the morning rains.)

Don't worry; I won't take any pictures of the student sections at the Wisconsin night game.  I sold my tickets.

 

LSAClassOf2000

October 6th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

I think the size of the student section is fine personally. 

I guess my fear is that if it did get reduced, you'd never have a convenient way to expand it again. 

mitchewr

October 6th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

Here’s my solution: 

If anyone doesn’t show up by the end of the first quarter, then they forfeit their seat. 

Then sell tickets for $20 bucks or whatever at the front gate of the stadium for whatever seats are empty. 

I PROMISE you they could fill the stadium every week doing that. If people aren’t going to show up, there’s ZERO reason why those seats should stay empty all game when there’s thousands of people who would love to come watch the game. 

jmblue

October 6th, 2018 at 4:50 PM ^

I'm not sure what kind of market there is for tickets after a full quarter is over, but even if one exists, inventorying the empty seats (and verifying that the occupant is actually absent, and not simply in the concession area) would seem tough from a logistical standpoint.  By the time you'd have your list of unused seats to sell to the public, it'd probably be halftime.

pugboy

October 6th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^

If it's an issue at Michigan and across college football, then reduce the student tickets and sell them to people who are interested in going.  The students have their chance, why should they be coddled, babied, and everything else to get them to go to a game.  

GotBlueOnMyMind

October 6th, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^

No, the students are paying tuition to go there, so should get absolute priority in all things related to sports tickets. As a freshman, I had to sit outside the student section because there was too much demand for student tickets (2007). That sucked because everyone in the section was old and barely cheered. Your annoyance at seeing a less than full stadium is worth a lot less than ensuring that every student is in the student section.

othernel

October 6th, 2018 at 3:54 PM ^

I agree, that would suck to have to sit outside the student section if you're paying tuition. I would have been angry if that happened to me.

That being said, 2007 is a far way from 2018. People clearly prefer staying at home (or in the dorm or frat) to going to the game. in 2003, when I was in school, missing the game was the worst thing in the world. Now it seems like it's actually preferable for a certain % of the students.

Attendance and viewing habits have changed over the last decade, so I think ticketing policies should adapt as well.

Walter Rupp

October 6th, 2018 at 4:45 PM ^

If you paid for your ticket, you can do whatever you want to do with it.  And missing games now is not that different from 30 years ago as a student in Michigan stadium. The viewing largely sucks and, combined with ceaseless TV breaks, the experience is hardly exceptional. Missing a few lame games in favor of staying longer at the tailgate— I’d pick tailgate every time. 

darko

October 6th, 2018 at 7:02 PM ^

This is a dumb argument.  Student tickets are a fraction of the price and allocated to a certain amount.  Its stupid to allocate that same amount at that reduced price if the students dont show up.

If youd rather tailgate, then great.  Do so.  But you shouldnt get a discounted ticket if you do.

wayneandgarth

October 6th, 2018 at 4:22 PM ^

There is no determined “size”, implying limit.  If you’re a student and you want season tickets you get them.  Should students not get tickets at their school?  

BroadneckBlue21

October 6th, 2018 at 7:27 PM ^

They should go to the games if they are privileged enough to buy season tickets. There was a time when the team sold out for how many straight games—but the shots on TV show large areas of empty seats in first quarter for last few home games, at least. Our fans are the weakest link in that stadium, but then we see how fragile they are as they tweet to fire Harbaugh because Maryland scores a lucky kickoff run. 

jmblue

October 6th, 2018 at 4:44 PM ^

The size of the student section is based on how many students buy tickets.  If 18,000 students buy tickets, that's how big the section is.

Are you arguing that some students shouldn't be guaranteed the seat that they paid for?  I don't think that's a great way to encourage attendance.

Section 1.8

October 7th, 2018 at 5:27 PM ^

It's true; the phenomenon that we are seeing isn't explainable as a matter of students being unable to afford tickets.  The University of Michigan made way-below-market-price tickets available to any students who wanted them.  Students bought those season tickets; and now they show up late, and/or leave early, or just don't show up at all.

Arguably, the behavior suggests that student tickets are too cheap.  Students buy them, it seems, without feeling much urgency to actually use them.  They come and go as if admission had been for free.  As if they had not paid much for them at all.

I certainly think that if a student has purchased a season ticket, the Stadium staff has to honor that ticket. 

But if we see great masses of students buying tickets and then not using them, or at least not treating those tickets or the games with much seriousness or enthusiasm, then I think it is fair to reappraise how the student tickets are assigned and sold.

 

Section 1.8

October 7th, 2018 at 2:55 PM ^

It is hard to point fingers at students inside Michigan Stadium during football games because so few of them are there.  If you point at the first 15 rows, you might be okay and you'd be pointing at students.

I've been reading the crap about how great the student fans are because they stand for the whole game and yell a lot.

But more and more the photographic evidence is showing that the students are the most (literally) fair-weather fans.