Goodman claims sources from the program say Juwan's culture is bad
Here's the link to the discussion with Hummel.
Basically, he says sources from the program told him Jace was being a jerk to a trainer. Sanderson didn't like it and said "that's why the culture is how it is around here" or words to that effect. Juwan Howard then went toe-to-toe with Sanderson in full view of the team. Maybe the worst part is Goodman claims his sources in the program say many are unhappy with the culture of the team on and off the court and have been for a while.
Goodman is a bit of a blowhard but Hummel is usually excellent. Don't shoot the messenger.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:18 AM ^
Which doors were closed?
December 13th, 2023 at 10:36 AM ^
What are you talking about? Howard didn't return to the bench until the Bahamas. The Long Beach State game was a week before that, on November 17, Howard-free, and it featured some of the worst defense you'll ever see and allowed LBSU players to look like NBA pros in the making.
UM started the game playing free & easy, like the previous games, and I thought they were going to blow them out by 40. Then they started playing atrocious defense -- allowing numerous layups, gave up offensive rebounds, turnovers -- perhaps the culture problem didn't manifest itself until halfway through the 1st half?
The incident, whatever it was, with Sanderson, cleared happened in December -- based on his (lack of travel) to Iowa and then the rumors flowing from there.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:58 AM ^
Whatever happened behind closed doors between Sanderson and Juwan probably happened just before the LBSU game.
By all accounts, it happened last Thursday.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:31 AM ^
You were impressed by the loss to Long Beach State at home?
December 13th, 2023 at 9:51 AM ^
Feels like its just 'when' not 'if' for the end of Juwan's tenure which is sad. Everyone really wanted it to work out.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:37 AM ^
man, that's the risk when you hire a beloved legend. you might have to fire them later.
remember when the tigers hired alan trammel?
December 13th, 2023 at 9:57 AM ^
This may well be true, but it's also true that these sorts of stories are almost inevitable when a team (a program?) is struggling. Nobody's satisfied, everybody feels the pressure, and of course the fans are demanding change.
If they can get 3-4 wins in a row, I'm sure we'll see stories about how unified the team is, and how much everyone likes playing with each other. That's a big "if," of course. Doesn't seem particularly likely right now.
Still keeping my fingers crossed. Personally, I like having Howard here, and I'm really hoping he can turn things around to cool off the hot seat a bit.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:07 AM ^
You’re one of Juwan’s biggest apologists on here.
What is it specifically that you like about him so much despite the controversy and turmoil that surrounds him?
December 13th, 2023 at 10:20 AM ^
I don't think its that crazy to want a former player to succeed at his alma mater...?
December 13th, 2023 at 10:14 AM ^
You're not wrong about how these "culture"-type rumors work, even if Howard isn't the guy we thought he was.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:28 AM ^
You are right about that. Winning fixes everything. The culture will be praised if the wins mount up. Juwan should apologize to Sanderson, make his son do as Sanderson says, and get back to playing unselfish, defensively responsible ball. All will be forgiven.
December 13th, 2023 at 9:57 AM ^
I think this is likely true and would explain the performance that we've seen over the last 2 years.
I really liked the hiring of Juwan and I thought he'd be a great representative for Michigan. Unfortunately he hasn't been a good role model and hasn't produced good results.
Recruiting his own kids to the team was a mistake and I don't think he will have time to overcome this.
Best option for Juwan is to go into retirement to take care of his health.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:06 AM ^
Agree with this, but was recruiting his own kids to the team really a mistake? Seems like Howard could not treat them the same as anyone else on the team and/or coach them up that is the problem. Plenty of coaches have had sons play for them and those kids are often the best glue guys and solid overall players on the team.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^
Of course it wasn't a mistake. The number of coaches who have their sons / nephews / cousins on their teams is in the dozens every year. In fact, a key reason some coaches are hired is because their sons are awesome.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:29 AM ^
It was a mistake for Juwan.
Recruiting one's sons to the team you're coaching isn't inherently good or bad, but it always adds complexity and raises the degree of difficulty. The blood relationship affects every other relationship on the team, especially among the coaches themselves. Some coaches can make it work; I don't think Juwan is one of those coaches.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:37 AM ^
Pulling it off requires an intelligent, astute, self reflective coach, which imo, JH is clearly not. Thought that was obvious by how hard he bawled at his introductory presser. Way too emotional.
December 13th, 2023 at 12:43 PM ^
Oh, FFS, you're one of those guys. So scared of men showing emotion you think tears of joy at being announced as HC of the University you love is "too emotional"? I'm sure you were at the forefront of the incel brigade that made fun of Moore after the PSU game, too.
December 13th, 2023 at 9:59 AM ^
The culture is bad? I'm SHOCKED
December 13th, 2023 at 10:00 AM ^
Sounds like Sanderson and Juwan aren't friends, somebody from Sanderson's camp tried to nuke Juwan by leaking out a fake fight to the "insiders" and it didn't happen.
If Sanderson is unhappy and thinks there is a culture problem, he needs to STFU and air his grievances in-house to Warde and not internet "insiders"
December 13th, 2023 at 10:08 AM ^
I don't know who leaked what or why but I do agree that Sanderson should try to keep things in-house, and probably not stir shit up at practices either.
I get that he might not want to leave, but if he really can't co-exist with Howard and Howard stays, then he has a choice to make. So does Howard, I suppose. But Howard probably won't be here next year at this rate anyway.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:08 AM ^
going to Warde will be really effective
December 13th, 2023 at 10:23 AM ^
If Sanderson thinks it isn't, why is he still there? In this scenario, he doesn't think his immediate boss (Howard) is leading an effective, good culture program and his ultimate boss is a feckless administrator -- why would you stay?
Again, I'm judging people by their public actions and what I know. And I don't know anything about Sanderson except "Camp Sanderson" and that he is supposed to be good at his job over a decade-plus. If I had that profile and things were (as alleged by anonymous sources) so bad, I'd find another job. Because while Howard might be going somewhere, Warde is not.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:34 AM ^
Went to the Saline game last night and saw his son go bonkers again. He dropped 50 the other night too. He's the #1 ranked sophomore in Michigan.
Maybe that has something to do with it. Some of these coaches were here before Howard and have lives here. 7+ years of life.
Why would they just cut and run because we made a cult hire and now the daddyball ethos are bearing fruit? Maybe they love Michigan.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:47 AM ^
A "cult" hire?
Who is the cult, in this scenario? And who is part of it -- does it go all the way up to Warde? And is Sanderson aware of this cult, or is he an apostate fighting for the true Michigan basketball believers, waiting for the restoration of the righteous?
December 13th, 2023 at 11:42 AM ^
It's holding the program to a standard. He shouldn't move his family because of it.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:11 AM ^
...or even more likely, Sanderson has been doing exactly as you demand he do and Warde has done shit about it and Sanderson finally got fed up. Just look at who has been more clearly dedicated to the development of young men on the team and who has acted most professionally over the years. It certainly hasn't been Howard.
December 13th, 2023 at 11:06 AM ^
Thanks Barbara Eden!!!
December 13th, 2023 at 11:05 AM ^
Exactly!!! Softy!
December 13th, 2023 at 10:05 AM ^
Fire Juwan
he’s a bully and jerk
December 13th, 2023 at 10:07 AM ^
Seeing recruiting and especially results on the court, it's hard to refute this IMO
December 13th, 2023 at 10:10 AM ^
What, exactly, does it mean there is a problem with "the culture"? That is so general I don't know what it means. Have there been incidents with Jace in the past? If so, what? For multiple years before this, all we have heard and seen about him is positive -- hard worker, supports his teammates, enthusiastic for the University on social media.
UM hasn't had more people leave--players, coaches, or staff--than any other program. When there is a culture problem, it's not behind closed doors; it manifests itself in good people getting the f out of there for inexplicable (to us) reasons. Can someone name one person who left and we were like, "Whoa, he should have stayed. Why did he leave?"
In fact, you could argue we've been too sticky with our coaches (e.g., our defensive coach, Washington, has not coached up a good defense for 1.5 years now. Might be time to replace him, like we did Don Brown). And Phil Martelli is known as being a stand-up guy. Why would he stay here, away from his home in Philly, if "the culture" was bad. He would have been a perfect candidate for "I'm too old for this; I'm out"...yet he's still here.
When our star, Hunter Dickinson left, his complaint was focused on 1) getting more NIL money and 2) winning an NCAA championship in his senior year. He said he still "loved Michigan and the program". He didn't say anything about "the culture" being rotten, and he's not a shy guy...or was he part of the problem? If so, what---exactly?
I didn't have a lot of time for anonymous sources through hacks like Thamel for Spygate 2: Electric Boog-aloo and I don't have a lot of time for them now, funneled through a douchebag like Jeff Goodman.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^
Forget Jace, did you watch Jett last year?? Couldn't have been more obvious they're spoiled brats. Then their dad. Look how he acts. Need more?
Your best player left, and because he didn't explicitly say "the culture's ass", you don't get that the culture's ass. I feel like I've seen this movie here. I believe it was called Blind Homer.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^
"Forget Jace" (OK) ; "watch Jett" (OK) ; "they're spoiled brats" (they? I thought I was forgetting about Jace?).
Also, you're basing your theory on Hunter Dickinson being reticent about speaking his mind, esp about something that would get him tons of attention. Could be.
December 13th, 2023 at 1:40 PM ^
Frankie Collins was heading into a starting job and he bolted. Johns passed up a senior season that could have seen him start. Diabate left way too early and will be overseas soon.
December 13th, 2023 at 11:55 AM ^
Hunter created part of the bad culture if you believe there is a culture issue. Money was more important than anything to him. Once his touches went down, he wanted out. He dressed for a funeral and then went out there and got whooped lol
December 13th, 2023 at 10:10 AM ^
Sad and surprising, but given how this team looked last year, I believe it. I feel bad for Juwan to some extent. I think the pressure of truly wanting to succeed here, plus the obstacles (M's approach to NIL and transfer denials) broke him. Clean house after this year and start from scratch.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:24 AM ^
Yup, that's how I feel. Juwan's tenure as coach started really well. A big root cause of the team's issues is terrible roster management over the last few years, and Michigan has at best been unhelpful and at worst actively harmful to Juwan on that front
December 13th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^
What's interesting here is that we immediately conclude it is Juwan's culture and not, say, a subculture created by other entities.
For example, we all observed that Hunter Dickinson's contribution to the culture was borderline cringeworthy. Was Juwan a contributor, an accelerant, or a bystander to that toxicity?
That said, an oustanding coach manages egos and creates a "we, not me" attitude. Juwan has failed to do so, and I suppose if there is anything we can indict him on, it's that.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:39 AM ^
Re: Hunter Dickinson:
Wasn't it Juwan's job as the coach to keep him in line and tell him to knock off the dumb stuff?
December 13th, 2023 at 10:40 AM ^
i think i made the point above that yes, it is part of his job.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:45 AM ^
And shitty lineups, terrible finishes, poor clock management, an assault and an attempted assault, putting his MAC level son in the rotation, and now once again behaving unprofessionally in front of a struggling team. That he's not the coach of because he's sick. Yeah, that's all.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^
Dickinson was a few steps beyond the cringy borderline, but he is gone and the culture problem allegedly remains. Therefore, the source is someone else.
p.s. An exception to the above theory would be Mike Dantonyo, whose years of inculcating hate and disrespeckt seeped into the very fiber of the program and remains there today.
December 13th, 2023 at 11:37 AM ^
Correct answer....you came off the top rope on that one.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^
It’s too bad if this is the end, obviously an on court legend here with ties throughout the basketball world. Would hate for Howard to leave with bad blood and return to the Fab Five being disassociated with the program. But if this isn’t the end, it does seem the end is near.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:21 AM ^
Not a Juwan apologist, but no former players have said that the culture is bad. We don’t know what exactly was said by Sanderson, or Jace, or Juwan, so yes it is actually possible that Sanderson was out of line. This writer doesn’t (and probably can’t) give up any specific sources - if there are any, so his reporting should be taken with a grain of salt. There have been a lot of great sideline celebrations when the team is winning, and there have been games where literally everyone has played, so plenty of evidence of a good culture in the past. I’m not happy to hear this, but I’m also not ready to call for Juwan’s head.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:22 AM ^
Who is coaching West Virginia BBall right now? It worked last time. I have been very hard on Juwan, I called for him to be fired over a year ago. I loved him as a player I think he has potential, however Michigan is larger than the individual, and I firmly believe you should have head coaching experience to be a head coach here.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:49 AM ^
Let the church say Amen! If there's anything all of us armchair administrators can agree on in reference to "Warde", it's that he should know that a head coach should have head coaching experience. Duh.
December 13th, 2023 at 11:29 AM ^
Not sure who is coaching there now, but Huggy is available.... LOL
December 13th, 2023 at 10:23 AM ^
Sanderson is more valuable than Juwan. He helped Beilein teams win and basically Juwan is destroying what the school worked to build. Fire Juwan and keep Sanderson. Juwan can’t even recruit anyone at this time. You would think with his nba connections we have more 5 stars wanting to play for him.
December 13th, 2023 at 10:33 AM ^
I feel like in the era of NIL it's much harder for Michigan to compete for 5 stars and top players in basketball than it is even for football