Goodman claims sources from the program say Juwan's culture is bad

Submitted by MGoLow on December 13th, 2023 at 9:31 AM

Here's the link to the discussion with Hummel.

 

Basically, he says sources from the program told him Jace was being a jerk to a trainer. Sanderson didn't like it and said "that's why the culture is how it is around here" or words to that effect. Juwan Howard then went toe-to-toe with Sanderson in full view of the team. Maybe the worst part is Goodman claims his sources in the program say many are unhappy with the culture of the team on and off the court and have been for a while.

Goodman is a bit of a blowhard but Hummel is usually excellent. Don't shoot the messenger.

robpollard

December 13th, 2023 at 10:36 AM ^

What are you talking about? Howard didn't return to the bench until the Bahamas. The Long Beach State game was a week before that, on November 17, Howard-free, and it featured some of the worst defense you'll ever see and allowed LBSU players to look like NBA pros in the making.

UM started the game playing free & easy, like the previous games, and I thought they were going to blow them out by 40. Then they started playing atrocious defense -- allowing numerous layups, gave up offensive rebounds, turnovers -- perhaps the culture problem didn't manifest itself until halfway through the 1st half?

The incident, whatever it was, with Sanderson, cleared happened in December -- based on his (lack of travel) to Iowa and then the rumors flowing from there.

DennisFranklinDaMan

December 13th, 2023 at 9:57 AM ^

This may well be true, but it's also true that these sorts of stories are almost inevitable when a team (a program?) is struggling. Nobody's satisfied, everybody feels the pressure, and of course the fans are demanding change.

If they can get 3-4 wins in a row, I'm sure we'll see stories about how unified the team is, and how much everyone likes playing with each other. That's a big "if," of course. Doesn't seem particularly likely right now.

Still keeping my fingers crossed. Personally, I like having Howard here, and I'm really hoping he can turn things around to cool off the hot seat a bit. 

RealElonMusk

December 13th, 2023 at 9:57 AM ^

I think this is likely true and would explain the performance that we've seen over the last 2 years.

I really liked the hiring of Juwan and I thought he'd be a great representative for Michigan.  Unfortunately he hasn't been a good role model and hasn't produced good results.  

Recruiting his own kids to the team was a mistake and I don't think he will have time to overcome this.

Best option for Juwan is to go into retirement to take care of his health.

KBLOW

December 13th, 2023 at 10:06 AM ^

Agree with this, but was recruiting his own kids to the team really a mistake? Seems like Howard could not treat them the same as anyone else on the team and/or coach them up that is the problem. Plenty of coaches have had sons play for them and those kids are often the best glue guys and solid overall players on the team.

S.D. Jones

December 13th, 2023 at 10:29 AM ^

It was a mistake for Juwan. 

Recruiting one's sons to the team you're coaching isn't inherently good or bad, but it always adds complexity and raises the degree of difficulty. The blood relationship affects every other relationship on the team, especially among the coaches themselves. Some coaches can make it work; I don't think Juwan is one of those coaches. 

jblaze

December 13th, 2023 at 10:00 AM ^

Sounds like Sanderson and Juwan aren't friends, somebody from Sanderson's camp tried to nuke Juwan by leaking out a fake fight to the "insiders" and it didn't happen.

If Sanderson is unhappy and thinks there is a culture problem, he needs to STFU and air his grievances in-house to Warde and not internet "insiders"

Hensons Mobile…

December 13th, 2023 at 10:08 AM ^

I don't know who leaked what or why but I do agree that Sanderson should try to keep things in-house, and probably not stir shit up at practices either.

I get that he might not want to leave, but if he really can't co-exist with Howard and Howard stays, then he has a choice to make. So does Howard, I suppose. But Howard probably won't be here next year at this rate anyway.

robpollard

December 13th, 2023 at 10:23 AM ^

If Sanderson thinks it isn't, why is he still there? In this scenario, he doesn't think his immediate boss (Howard) is leading an effective, good culture program and his ultimate boss is a feckless administrator -- why would you stay? 

Again, I'm judging people by their public actions and what I know. And I don't know anything about Sanderson except "Camp Sanderson" and that he is supposed to be good at his job over a decade-plus. If I had that profile and things were (as alleged by anonymous sources) so bad, I'd find another job. Because while Howard might be going somewhere, Warde is not.

TheJuiceman

December 13th, 2023 at 10:34 AM ^

Went to the Saline game last night and saw his son go bonkers again. He dropped 50 the other night too. He's the #1 ranked sophomore in Michigan.

Maybe that has something to do with it.  Some of these coaches were here before Howard and have lives here. 7+ years of life.

Why would they just cut and run because we made a cult hire and now the daddyball ethos are bearing fruit? Maybe they love Michigan. 

KBLOW

December 13th, 2023 at 10:11 AM ^

...or even more likely, Sanderson has been doing exactly as you demand he do and Warde has done shit about it and Sanderson finally got fed up. Just look at who has been more clearly dedicated to the development of young men on the team and who has acted most professionally over the years. It certainly hasn't been Howard.

robpollard

December 13th, 2023 at 10:10 AM ^

What, exactly, does it mean there is a problem with "the culture"? That is so general I don't know what it means. Have there been incidents with Jace in the past? If so, what? For multiple years before this, all we have heard and seen about him is positive -- hard worker, supports his teammates, enthusiastic for the University on social media.

UM hasn't had more people leave--players, coaches, or staff--than any other program. When there is a culture problem, it's not behind closed doors; it manifests itself in good people getting the f out of there for inexplicable (to us) reasons. Can someone name one person who left and we were like, "Whoa, he should have stayed. Why did he leave?" 

In fact, you could argue we've been too sticky with our coaches (e.g., our defensive coach, Washington, has not coached up a good defense for 1.5 years now. Might be time to replace him, like we did Don Brown). And Phil Martelli is known as being a stand-up guy. Why would he stay here, away from his home in Philly, if "the culture" was bad. He would have been a perfect candidate for "I'm too old for this; I'm out"...yet he's still here.

When our star, Hunter Dickinson left, his complaint was focused on 1) getting more NIL money and 2) winning an NCAA championship in his senior year. He said he still "loved Michigan and the program". He didn't say anything about "the culture" being rotten, and he's not a shy guy...or was he part of the problem? If so, what---exactly?

I didn't have a lot of time for anonymous sources through hacks like Thamel for Spygate 2: Electric Boog-aloo and I don't have a lot of time for them now, funneled through a douchebag like Jeff Goodman.

 

TheJuiceman

December 13th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^

Forget Jace, did you watch Jett last year?? Couldn't have been more obvious they're spoiled brats. Then their dad. Look how he acts. Need more?

Your best player left, and because he didn't explicitly say "the culture's ass", you don't get that the culture's ass. I feel like I've seen this movie here. I believe it was called Blind Homer. 

theytookourjobs

December 13th, 2023 at 10:10 AM ^

Sad and surprising, but given how this team looked last year, I believe it.  I feel bad for Juwan to some extent.  I think the pressure of truly wanting to succeed here, plus the obstacles (M's approach to NIL and transfer denials) broke him.  Clean house after this year and start from scratch.  

JamesBondHerpesMeds

December 13th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^

What's interesting here is that we immediately conclude it is Juwan's culture and not, say, a subculture created by other entities.

For example, we all observed that Hunter Dickinson's contribution to the culture was borderline cringeworthy. Was Juwan a contributor, an accelerant, or a bystander to that toxicity? 

That said, an oustanding coach manages egos and creates a "we, not me" attitude. Juwan has failed to do so, and I suppose if there is anything we can indict him on, it's that.

S.D. Jones

December 13th, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^

Dickinson was a few steps beyond the cringy borderline, but he is gone and the culture problem allegedly remains. Therefore, the source is someone else. 

p.s. An exception to the above theory would be Mike Dantonyo, whose years of inculcating hate and disrespeckt seeped into the very fiber of the program and remains there today. 

TheBlueAbides

December 13th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^

It’s too bad if this is the end, obviously an on court legend here with ties throughout the basketball world. Would hate for Howard to leave with bad blood and return to the Fab Five being disassociated with the program. But if this isn’t the end, it does seem the end is near.

EikMelynai

December 13th, 2023 at 10:21 AM ^

Not a Juwan apologist, but no former players have said that the culture is bad. We don’t know what exactly was said by Sanderson, or Jace, or Juwan, so yes it is actually possible that Sanderson was out of line. This writer doesn’t (and probably can’t) give up any specific sources - if there are any, so his reporting should be taken with a grain of salt. There have been a lot of great sideline celebrations when the team is winning, and there have been games where literally everyone has played, so plenty of evidence of a good culture in the past. I’m not happy to hear this, but I’m also not ready to call for Juwan’s head. 

Hoek

December 13th, 2023 at 10:22 AM ^

Who is coaching West Virginia BBall right now? It worked last time. I have been very hard on Juwan, I called for him to be fired over a year ago. I loved him as a player I think he has potential, however Michigan is larger than the individual, and I firmly believe you should have head coaching experience to be a head coach here. 

MGOBLUEDO

December 13th, 2023 at 10:23 AM ^

Sanderson is more valuable than Juwan. He helped Beilein teams win and basically Juwan is destroying what the school worked to build.  Fire Juwan and keep Sanderson. Juwan can’t even recruit anyone at this time. You would think with his nba connections we have more 5 stars wanting to play for him.