Gatiss' offense vs. Hamiltons... what did you see different?
September 1st, 2019 at 8:45 AM ^
Everything
September 1st, 2019 at 8:50 AM ^
Yep. I thought this install was going to take way more time. I know there are still kinks to work out, but I was very impressed with how quickly the changed the entire offense
September 1st, 2019 at 9:09 AM ^
Yeah. Was there anything that was similar?
September 1st, 2019 at 9:47 AM ^
The delay of game penalty.
September 1st, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^
Lol exactly. People are basically just holding up “I can’t tell football from a traditional Romanian dance” signs today with the “offense looked the same” takes.
September 1st, 2019 at 12:47 PM ^
Right. If you couldn't tell the difference, you shouldn't be posting comments ascot it. We had *more downfield passes in one game than all of last year.
* I have no statistics to back this up and it's probably not true, but it sure felt like it.
September 1st, 2019 at 1:01 PM ^
It’s canon now
September 1st, 2019 at 7:37 PM ^
I saw Hamilton last year, the tickets were a bit expensive but it was really good. I didn’t see anything similar to Michigan’s Speed in Space offense.
September 1st, 2019 at 3:30 PM ^
The fade in the endzone to a slot (Sainristil) reminded me of the fade to People’s-Jones from the slot last year (WMU game I think?). But that was it.
September 1st, 2019 at 8:48 PM ^
DPJ caught a TD on a corner route against WMU last year. Sainristil's last night was a fade on which the throw turned him almost around. Different routes.
September 1st, 2019 at 8:46 AM ^
Only real complaint was putting dcaff out at WR. Hate that shit. It never works. Maybe you could line them both up in the backfield. Then you’d have a quintuple option. Snap to Shea who could hand off or throw or run. If handed off then dcaff could also throw or run. But even then your taking one of our rbs off the field. Charbonnet looked excellent.
September 1st, 2019 at 8:57 AM ^
I hated it too. I'm OK with a two QB system but not both at the same time. I think it puts limitations on your offense and just more potential for one of them to get injured.
September 1st, 2019 at 9:05 AM ^
What you’re describing sounds like the “Mad Magician” offense. Now THAT would be fun to install.
September 1st, 2019 at 8:50 AM ^
We have three NFL WR's and one didn't play. It is now a priority to get them the ball. That is what was missing last year. Also we will have better players vs. every team we play except one. It then makes sense to run more plays than the other team. The pace last night was much better and to our advantage. They were rolling in the 2nd qtr. After that, I don't think the 1st team offense skill players played much of the 2nd half. To conclude, we will be fine offensively.
September 1st, 2019 at 8:54 AM ^
It was refreshing to see Michigan attack MTSU downfield for the McKeon touchdown one play after Ronnie Bell dropped the wide open touchdown on a downfield shot. Aggressive play calling. With our talent that’s what we’ve been hoping for.
September 1st, 2019 at 8:54 AM ^
Oh I would say just about everything. I will say though in both offenses I can’t stand the trickery. It seems like In any offense they are just absolute drive killers. I don’t like the two qbs on the field at the same time. I don’t believe any of those plays worked and one ended in a penalty because our Qb did not know where we were at on the play clock which is inexcusable. I like the offense overall they have a lot of work to do and hopefully some guys can get healthy.
September 1st, 2019 at 9:41 AM ^
I agree. It was reminiscent of bringing in Jabril Peppers to run unimaginative wildcat plays. What’s the point? All it did was kill the flow.
September 1st, 2019 at 9:43 AM ^
It was the MacCat. Unlike Pep, I think Gattis probably has a point with that play.
September 1st, 2019 at 10:13 AM ^
What I love about this site is the consistent way we love our scapegoats.
A nice example here, blame Pep for how Peppers, a player who left before he even arrived, was used. I'm trying to remember the last time I saw Jedd Fisch blamed for anything here.
September 1st, 2019 at 10:58 AM ^
If you think Pep wasn't the problem, I'm not sure how anyone can convince you otherwise. The guy is UNEMPLOYED because he sucks ass.
September 1st, 2019 at 11:18 AM ^
Pep wasn't good. I never implied otherwise.
Blaming him for everything that went wrong is foolish. Was Pep in charge of designing and calling running plays? Was he even calling plays? He did a crappy job with the passing attack.
Blaming him for things that went wrong before he arrived is nuts.
Sadly, neither of those things surprises me any more on these boards
September 1st, 2019 at 11:49 AM ^
As the Offensive Coordinator, it was squarely Pep's job to put Peppers into a position to succeed when he went out to run the Pepcat. The only thing that EVER happened in the Pepcat was Pepper's keeping the ball.
It worked the first time it was used - against Rutger. Otherwise, what was it's point?
September 1st, 2019 at 12:38 PM ^
You seriously aren't aware that Pep never had the title of OC? NOBODY last year had the title of OC. Because Harbaugh was the actual OC. UMBig11 confirmed that Harbaugh called the plays last season. The cognitive dissonance on this is simply incredible. A lot of you guys have issues.
September 1st, 2019 at 12:39 PM ^
You clearly missed Mr Miggle's point. Peppers left for the NFL before Hamilton arrived at Michigan. If you didn't like the Pep(pers)Cat blame someone else. If you hated the Pep(Hamilton)Cat, leave Peppers out of it
September 1st, 2019 at 1:22 PM ^
Peppers left after the 2016 season. Pep didn’t arrive until the 2017 season.
How is it Hamilton’s job as QB coach of the Cleveland Browns to put Peppers in position to succeed at Michigan?
September 1st, 2019 at 1:36 PM ^
Hamilton had an idea in 2016 he may come to Michigan the following year. It should've been his job even when he was with the Browns that year to tell Jim Harbaugh to utilize Peppers better.
September 1st, 2019 at 2:01 PM ^
My bad. Apparently, I wiped out the Drevno OC years and incorrectly applied Hamilton to the Pepcat. Neg away, please - I deserve it.
I negged myself (twice), and upvoted those that pointed out my lunacy. I apologize in shame...
September 1st, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^
So not only do you act under the false pretense that Pep called the plays last season, but you are also spewing junk about him being "UNEMPLOYED" when in fact he is employed. Seriously JPC, you should spend less time posting because you aren't good at it.
September 1st, 2019 at 1:03 PM ^
Ok, you’re right. He’s employed as a wwe football coach - until they go out of business. I was talking about actual football.
September 1st, 2019 at 1:34 PM ^
No, you were acting under false pretenses. The same thing you do when you talk as if all the offense's problems fell on Pep even though he was never the coordinator and Harbaugh was the primary play-caller in 2018.
I have no reason to be a Pep fan. Nothing about his resume particularly impresses me. I'm simply protesting your fundamental dishonesty. You are a bloviating farce.
September 2nd, 2019 at 2:17 PM ^
It has yet to be explained what Pep actually did.
His title was Passing Game Coordinator. He made 1 mill a year. Gattis is OC and makes 900k. Jim McEL coached WR. Harbaugh probably handled the QBs or could have.
If he didn't design the plays, call the plays, coach a position, or have any responsibilities or accountability and was okay with that, (not saying I blame him...it is what it is) then he's definitely the scapegoat.
He cashed checks that could've went to someone else more useful to the coaching staff.
September 1st, 2019 at 10:39 AM ^
At least with Peppers you were putting an athlete on the field that was equal to our better than our skill players. With DCaff, you are putting an athlete that is objectively worse than every one of our WR's and RB's. So why would you do that? Unless he throws it from that formation, it's a waste of #speedinspace
September 1st, 2019 at 11:31 AM ^
If he only threw from that formation then the defense would know what he was going to do every time. He has the ability to throw or run which is what those "better" athletes don't have. If he runs from that formation as a WR he's still setting up the ability to fool the defense and pass from it later.
September 1st, 2019 at 11:33 AM ^
Either way the defense has the advantage-if runs, he's not as good running as a WR. If he passes they are waiting for it. It's just dumb
September 1st, 2019 at 11:34 AM ^
Maybe he will throw it one day and this is just setting it up. At the very least it makes other teams prepare for it.
September 1st, 2019 at 8:55 AM ^
It’s a completely different offense schematically and despite what scheme it is, calling offensive plays also means calling them in a sequence. Flat out- Pep Hamilton sucked. Last night, Gattis is using misdirection, power, AND spreading the ball around to his best players. People on here are already bitching but Middle Tennessee State is NOT a pushover opponent and they are well coached. Michigan did well. The concern is the defense. Schematically, it has not been tweaked at all and there will be tremendous pressure on the Db’s and LB’s covering people. Glasgow covering people scares me
September 1st, 2019 at 9:27 AM ^
Now hold on, whatever else you may think as far as the differences, keep in mind that we had a 10 win season last year under Pep.
September 1st, 2019 at 9:43 AM ^
Hi Mrs. Hamilton. It's nice to meet you
September 1st, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
That’s not really an answer. What was it about a ten-win offense that “sucks”? Was it perfect? No, but the hate for Hamilton really boggles me.
A regressing offense that goes DOWN every year in wins like what happened with Hoke? THAT sucks. But going to 10 wins from 8 doesn’t suck. So if you have something analytical and intelligent to say about Pep’s offense that holds up with the truth, fire away. But snark and quick witty responses are a poor response to a question asking for factual evidence.
September 1st, 2019 at 1:41 PM ^
What do you know about football scheme other than watching it? Hamilton has been relieved of every OC position he has held. His scheme was archaic for today. It sucked and Urban Meyer would agree
September 1st, 2019 at 6:13 PM ^
With an all-world defense - at least against bad teams -- that 10-win season was IN SPITE of the offense (which was fucking offensive), not due to it.
It's a miracle we didn't find DPJ or Collins in the transfer portal due to their criminal misuse.
September 1st, 2019 at 8:55 AM ^
I think it's a Godsend that we have an early bye week this year. The schedule set up so that we have two "preseason games" and then an extra week of practice before having to go through the grind. For a team trying to iron things out with a new offense, that is incredibly advantageous.
September 1st, 2019 at 11:05 AM ^
Agreed. Frankly I don't want Michigan to ever play a big game the first week. I still feel good about this season because all the mistakes seemed fixable (lots of experimenting, bad exchanges) but that would have been an L against a good team that has their stuff together. I can't believe there have already been conference games played. Imagine if that was Wisconsin or even Indiana and we were already starting behind OSU and others in the standings.
September 1st, 2019 at 8:55 AM ^
Some very obvious things, like the no huddle. But one thing that drove me nuts from yesterday’s game was the way that we ran zone read while also bring a WR across the mesh point. It looked like we had three possible runners, but the plays never went anywhere. I understand some of the logic there though, might turn into a modern twist on the triple option.
September 1st, 2019 at 9:16 AM ^
The drive with back to back RPOs was what I expected out of a Gattis offense. Really felt like the play calling had MTSU reeling the whole time and countered everything they were trying to do, and then countered the reaction to the counters.
The rest of the game was pretty meh, but I guess that's somewhat expected except for a play or two here and there.
I didn't like the DCaff stuff, even though it was effective. The slot WR being on the line and covered up screamed run, and seemed like a gimmick play they designed for him to carry the ball and not part of an offensive system.
September 1st, 2019 at 9:17 AM ^
Electing not to have a version of the Hammering Panda for goal line situations may have been short sighted.
September 1st, 2019 at 10:01 AM ^
This. I may just be old, but having a fullback with murder in his eyes to punch it in at the goal line seems like an essential part of Michigan football. Surely we could still have that even with the new system.
September 1st, 2019 at 10:09 AM ^
^^ This deserves every upvote in the universe.
September 1st, 2019 at 10:50 AM ^
This is so, so right. I see zero reason why we couldn't still do power smashing in that one situation.
September 1st, 2019 at 11:19 AM ^
BVS could be this guy.
If not, steal Bench Mason from the defense for a couple snaps on offense per game.