Fuck Draft Lotteries
The last place Pistons fall as far as possible to pick 5. Unbelievable that this happens to Detroit teams regularly. Detroit now gets a decent player rather than a once-in-a-generation talent.
Make the Lions bad again if it means the Wings can go back to being as good as they were in the mid 90s and early 2000s.
Disagree. The Lions being really good would be the most satisfying of all.
I disagree with that. Pro football to me is just meh for me. I don't plan my day around it. If it's on and I'm not doing anything, I'll watch it. I'd much rather watch the Wings hoist the trophy that's the hardest to win. But I'm a hockey guy.
I miss taking the Wings playoffs for granted. And they had tickets with a student ID really cheap so I was going to a game every week.
The system lacks any real transparency, yet they wonder why fans think it's rigged. This happens every time there's a generational player at #1. Unbelievable, yet totally predictable. Silver and the rest of his corporate scum legion can lick my taint.
Because San Antonio is some market moving city.
If all this shit was rigged, New York wouldn't be still be waiting 50+ years for their 3rd championship
Agreed - the whole rigging thing is QAnon-level tinfoil shit (yes people the NBA Deep State rigged the lottery for the Spurs this year and for the post-LeBron Cavs 3 years in a row), but.... it does rate mention that late NBA commissioner David Stern tacitly didn't discourage that speculation because of the whole "no publicity is worse than bad publicity" adage.
how does the system lack transparency when you can literally watch the proceedings?
If reducing tanking is the goal, the NBA should reduce ping pong balls for each game starters rest or engage in some other form of tanking. Punishing truly bad teams for performing badly just locks those bad teams into the bottom of the league.
Then you'd just have team doctors sign off on "injuries" to star players.
The NBA lottery is like professional wrestling. It’s as crooked as it gets in sports.
Lots of people on the Piston's redditt think it is fixed too. 28% chance of getting Wemby or Scoot. 42% chance to get one of them or that dude from Alabama. Maybe we get lucky and the bama guy falls to 5.
Remove the word "lottery" and it would still be a true statement.
I don’t watch the NBA much at all these days but this level of buffoonery makes me want to forget it altogether.
Criminal you can penalize the worst team in the league this badly. Make it so worst team can’t drop past 1 or 2.
Bottom 3 teams should share a 33% chance at #1 & let 4th worst have 1%. Those 3 teams should not drop more than 3 spots respective of their records.
The NBA and probably all sports have some level of fixing involved. What came of the Donaghy fiasco? Nothing AND most of you probably have to ask the intergoogle who Donaghy is. And that’s how the ASSociation wanted it.
I used to love pro basketball and the current product is so far from what I grew up watching. Seeing guys who shoot sub 30% from beyond the arc jack it up because they’re open is ridiculous. NBA officiating is atrocious at best. Breathe on someone while on defense and it’s a foul. Don’t get me started on the replay situations and the determinations of flagrant fouls. The fact that the pistons have been terrible has accelerated my level of disinterest. Haven’t watched 1 NBA playoff game this year.
Everyone knew this was going to the Spurs.
Fuck. This. Shit.
It's insane that the worst team drops to #5.
This was the most likely outcome you dopes.
Well, technically, the probability of getting a pick lower than #5 was greater than the probability of getting pick #5, right?
You are correct. Oyster can’t read a chart.
I know how to read a chart. Do you know how to read a sentence? If you had to bet, pre-draft, on which # pick the Pistons were to get, which would you choose?
There were 5 possible outcomes and the most likely one occurred.
Most likely was #4 at 52.1 percent. They had a 40% chance to land a top 3 pick and didn’t.
Variable change.
We get it dude. We're not asking how it happened, we just think it's bullshit that this system can allow the worst team to pick 5th.
Don't know what everyone is so skeptical about...the lottery is totally fair year over year.
So your argument is that things happen that aren’t very unlikely and that means it’s rigged?
I'm not arguing anything, just making an observation that either the Pistons are the unluckiest team when it comes to draft lotteries or Shenanigans. Neither would surprise me.
That, and you may benefit from a crash course on statistics and probability based on your previous posts.
Deer hunter thinks that owners who's franchise values can swing by hundreds of millions of dollars would allow the level of criminal fraud to rig the NBA lottery? Maybe just say you're a small person who doesn't understand the world next time.
You pulled results for ONE team. We don't have the necessary context to know whether or not their results are greater or worse than average. We can determine nothing from this in a greater context.
Here is an actual evidence-based argument of how lucky or unlucky a team has been in the NBA Draft lottery. Summary: Pistons are slightly below even, but there a bunch of other teams way worse off. This isn't the NBA rigging against Detroit.
Well, know that the LeBron draft was fixed, so he could stay in Cleveland. I can't speak on the other years.
So the team (Cleveland) who had the highest odds to win the lottery did in fact win it that year and it was fixed. The team (Detroit) who had the highest(tied) odds of winning this year didn't win the lottery so it was also fixed?
The lack of transparency is absolutely insane. There are millions if not billions of dollars at stake, and the NBA says “just trust us.”
Doesn’t one of the Big 4 accounting firms audit the process?
I don’t know. I just want to be outraged.
This is at least an honest answer. It’s not rigged. People don’t understand probabilities, they just get angry.
Yes, Ernst & Young. Im sure they would stake their reputation on rigging the draft...
To be fair, one of the Big Five accounting firms was involved in the Enron scandal (and that is the reason it is now the Big Four). Note: I'm not suggesting there was any impropriety in the draft lottery, just pointing out that they're not above reproach.
My buddy’s Dad who was the son of the Big Tuna Tony Accardo in Chicago won the Illinois State Lotto…..twice.
I'm a huge fan of the "gold points" idea where draft position is determined by how many points a team earns after they are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Teams eliminated earlier will still have the advantage to pick higher, but will not be actively trying to lose. It also gets rid of the lottery, which is reason enough to support it
The lottery is so rigged that the NBA purposely put a generational talent in the 31st largest media market rather than the 7th (Houston), 17th (Orlando), 21st (Charlotte), or 22nd (Portland).
The lottery is meant to discourage tanking. The Pistons tanked and ended with the exact anti-incentive to discourage tanking that we all applaud when talking about other teams tanking but not our own. They system worked.
How did the Pistons tank? They lost Cade due to injury for the season…
Oh, they were trying to win? Cade was the difference between 17 and 45 wins?
Silent tanking is still tanking.
No more idiotic than "how did the Pistons tank?" Uhhhhhhh, maybe look at their moves the past few seasons and there's your answer.
The Spurs actively tanked far more than the Pistons. Detroit is just a really young, really bad team whose supposed franchise player can't stay on the court.
They started two shitty rookies, employed the worst coach in the league, and traded away their best wing player and were trying to win? They also traded for two young worthless power forwards and played them a lot even though they didn't play as lick of defense all year.
Sounds like a team that really tried to win. I love the Pistons but get real.
Trading away a mediocre wing player who you werent resigning at the trade deadline when you have the worst record in the league just seems like a savvy move. They also started the season looking to be an improved team pushing for playoff contention. Traded for and reupped Bogdanovic. Starting two rookies in no way was a move to lose more games.. they just had even crappier, less upside players behind them. They also made no trades for a PF this season? Wiseman is in no way shape or form a 4. I suppose youre counting Bagley from mid last season, but they also gave up next to no assets for him.
I dont really love the Pistons at all and am being quite real.
The lottery is meant to discourage tanking.
...but the tankingest team in the league got the number 1 pick.
It doesn't, at all, work for what it's intended to.
The NFL does it right. The worst teams get the highest draft picks. If a team tanks, it tanks.
The NFL is by far the most popular league with by far the most popular draft. One would think the NBA would recognize this and adjust accordingly.
The worst team should have the highest pick. The NBA can do a lottery for every team afterwards.