Fuck Draft Lotteries
The last place Pistons fall as far as possible to pick 5. Unbelievable that this happens to Detroit teams regularly. Detroit now gets a decent player rather than a once-in-a-generation talent.
Even if you were committed to the idea of a lottery, you do it the right way. Every team in the lottery has an equal chance at the top pick. You do one drawing. Then the rest of the teams are slotted according to record.
Both hockey and basketball should do it this way. It's uncomplicated and contains equal amounts of fortune and fairness.
That's how the NBA originally did it. I don't know why it was necessary to go away from that.
The NBA draft in general is now an awful marketing tool. The NFL has a three day event with months of lead time where every team knows if they get it right, they can become a playoff team. All the fans know the players to be selected. The NBA has a bad lottery system to draft players most people haven’t heard of and most will not be anything but middling players for the next few years. I wish they would bring back the two to three year period where players had to stay and develop their game before becoming eligible for the draft. Better for the draft and better for the teams to get more developed players imo.
This all day. I'm not a huge basketball guy, but I watched the Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2.0 for a half decade each, at least once the play-off started. Other than that most of my interest is in seeing how players I know from college are playing. I hardly know anyone in the NBA anymore. Most of them only played a year in college and I probably never saw them play unless they played Michigan or won the NCAA tournament.
That Wiseman guy on the Piston's is a prime example. He was a #2 pick out of Memphis, but was injured in college so he didn't play much. He had some injuries in the NBA, but now that he's healthy he's basically a highschool player playing in the NBA. He's got to develop his game against guys that are much much better than him. I don't know monetarily, but developmentally he would have been much better off developing his game in college where he wasn't getting his ass kicked every day. The economics should be re-worked to support better development.
Let the bottom 3 teams be in the lottery for number 1 then its in order of record after that. What we have now is a team that would be the 7th worst actively tanking to have a shot. Its counter productive to incentivize more teams to tank not less.
This is just a brutal, brutal outcome for the Pistons franchise. A chance to get that generational player they’ve never really had.
And hate to say it: neither Cade nor Jaden are him.
Is anyone else watching game 1 of the WCF?
Jokic and Davis have been going at it.
Jokic currently with 31 pts 19 boards and 12 assists
The Pistons will be fine. Cade, Ivey and Duren are a great place to start. I think if everyone can stay healthy this season, we'll be sniffing the playoffs
I mean, I'm bummed too, but remember everyone going crazy for Zion Williamson? Last year's No. 2. Chet Holmgren, who a lot of people thought would go No. 1 ... missed the entire year. So I could totally see the Pistons drafting Victor Wembanyama ... and then him getting a career-ending injury.
We can still get a hell of a player at No. 5. If Cunningham can stay healthy for once ...
At #5 we're getting a hell of a project more than a hell of a player. At this point I'd go for a 3 & d rotation player like Whitmore over the athletic non shooters like Walker & Thompson twins
Walker and Cam had almost identical 3 point shooting percentage in college and Ausar had a 30% shooting from 3 from NBA range not college. So to say Cam is a way better shooter and better at defense is not correct or accurate. But I do prefer Cam over the other two. Walker sorta reminds me of a smaller Stewart except he dribbles a little better. Ausar is athletic and plays great defense. Cam is the most athletic of the 3 and is 230lbs but played less then half is a season at Nova. So they all play good defense Walker was defense player of year in his conference and Ausar is known for his great defense and hops.
Dwayne Wade, Vince Carter, KG, Darius Garland, Trae Young, D'aron Fox. Not hard to find an all star at number 5. Then you look at all the all stars picked right after number five and you see it's as pretty good slot. This year's draft is absolutely loaded.
I don't feel sorry for the Pistons, a team with 0 playoff victories in the last 5,469 days.
Luck doesn't (and shouldn't!!!) always reward the incompetent. And bluntly, they haven't been a competent franchise for awhile now.
What happened to the good old days when you could tank a season to get a guy like this?
On the bright side, I think Pistons can help themselves at 5 just as much as they could have at 2. We don't need more ball dominant guards. Hendricks or Whitmore might be better fits. Yes Wemby would have been nice, but after that, I'm not upset.
Curious to see if Hendricks plays vs. Cam and others cause he might be a pick at 5 also. He is an athletic versatile forward who can shoot the lights out and can jump out the gym. Only knock was he didn't play in a big time conference. If he did he would be in talks at 2 or 3 also. Miller sucked vs. the top teams Bama played and tore it up against the teams that weren't that good. But if Pistons didn't get one I wish they got #2 cause some team might be willing to trade up to get Scoot. As most say he would be #1 if not for Victor.
Too much white space.
The Pistons did not "tank", unless you call sucking all year tanking. They started out like 3-20 or some shit.
I think that they should just give all lottery teams equal odds. Tanking is ridiculous and shouldn’t be rewarded.
It could be coincidence but I haven't trusted the NBA lottery since the NY Knicks got #1 and Patrick Ewing.
Can someone explain to me how a team with the worst record in the league (by 5 games) has a near 50% likelihood of getting the 5th pick going into the “lottery”, but only a 14% likelihood of getting #1? That should be inverted. Obviously I have never trusted this process (no way Ewing to NY, Rose to Chicago or Irving to Cleveland was random luck), but this further exemplifies why so many view the NBA as a hot mess right now
The NBA draft has been rigged from the beginning. This is about the 1985 draft, the first lottery, that gave Ewing to the Knicks:
Stan Kasten, then the GM of the Hawks, recalls attending a college tournament in Hawaii a few months before the lottery, via Sports Illustrated.
“I was sitting with a couple of NBA guys,” says Kasten, “and I remember one high-ranking- team executive, who I will not name, was a million percent convinced of what was going to happen. ‘He’s going to the Knicks,’ he kept saying. ‘He’s going to the Knicks. It’s all arranged.’” Kasten pauses, chuckles. “I didn’t believe him at the time.”
At that time, one large envelope for each team in the lottery was placed in a large, transparent plastic ball and shuffled up before David Stern picked them out. As the conspiracy theory goes, the Knicks’ envelope was either purposefully given a creased corner while it was being tossed in the ball or it was “frozen” to make it easier for Stern to choose. (Or maybe it was both?!)
One report in a New York tabloid suggested that Ernst and Whinney, the accounting firm involved in the lottery, played a role in the rigging.
“It did little to dampen the mood in the NBA office when, a day later, a New York tabloid reported a curious fact: Ernst & Whinney just happened to also be the auditing firm for Gulf & Western, which just happened to own the Knicks. Asked by McManis about the possibility of a fix, Madison Square Garden president Jack Krumpe responded, ‘Hey, I told them how to fix it 60 days ago. You call up Ernst & Whinney and you say, ‘If we don’t get Ewing, you’re fired.’”
Do you really think the NBA would rig a draft to send its most-hyped recruit since LeBron James to one of its smallest market teams? This theory makes little sense.
and send him to a franchise with French hall of fame players, but I'm sure its just good luck
I think this type of lottery was necessary given how bad tanking was a handful of years back, but the fact that the worst team in the league has a 50% chance of getting the #5 pick is fucked up. The odds need to be so the worst team is almost guaranteed a top 3 pick
The worst team is guaranteed a top 5 pick. Nobody else is. Every team after them has the same odds of falling back to five or further.
The Pistons completely tanked and the rigged NBA lottery system has punished them for it.
No team has that many injuries. They kept the young guys in and out to get them experienced, but all those vets sitting the entire 2nd half of the season was rediculous.
Pro basketball lost me years ago. I could care less who got the #1 pick. The players run the league.
Now if the NBA was comprised of Canadians like the NHL teams and the players played through injuries, maybe...
How would I even do that? I mean, I am up for anything....help me with logistics.
I like draft lotteries to deincentivize tanking for the worst record.
The Found On Road Dead family still owns the Lions, so I firmly believe we got lucky with Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell (who noooobody wanted as HC). The Pistons are owned by an LA venture capitalist who shows up sloppy drunk to a couple games a year. And Chris Ilitch is running the Tigers and Red Wings worse than the ghost of his father.
Until there's some changes at the top, I'll use my sports $$$ on the maize and blue.
Weird how the only teams that never move up are in markets the NBA hates. Indiana, Denver, Minnesota, Detroit, etc.
San Antonio gets another franchise big, a player from France, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence, for the franchise with notable French players in an emerging NBA market, and sure Popovich magically doesn't retire after a dreadful season. Just like magic all neat and clean.
Wow what a headline.
Childish