FSU: Injuries Count
Some people are amazed when the Committee does exactly what it said it would do. The Committee’s own procedures say it must consider injuries. (The basketball committee does that too.) In contrast, there is nothing that says an undefeated P5 champ must be in the top four. I grieve for Florida State, but after its starting QB went down it simply has not been the same team.
Some in the media were arguing that Washington should leapfrog Michigan, because its win over Oregon “looked better” than Michigan’s slog over Iowa. But the Committee had Michigan consistently above Washington starting in Week 9, when Michigan still had not played Penn State, Ohio State, or Iowa. There was no way the same people who ranked them in that order were going to change their minds after Michigan handled Iowa 26–0.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:12 PM ^
They already came out and showed the team reaction when bama was announced. Saying " Michigan looked less than enthused when they found out they had to play Bama."
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^
I suspect it was more the shock that it was Bama & not FSU.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:39 PM ^
Just imagine: The Kansas Chiefs just punched their ticket into the NFL playoffs, but Patrick Mahomes got hurt in the final game. In turn, the NFL decides that the Chiefs aren't all that good without their star quarterback, so they decide that the Chiefs will be replaced with another team that has a worse record and will not be participating for a chance at the Super Bowl.
Just. Absurd.
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Beat Alabama.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:50 PM ^
I mean, we’d also have to imagine the NFL playoffs were subjectively chosen instead of chosen by standings and tie-breakers… not sure I get the analogy there
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:00 PM ^
The analogy illustrates how absurd the CFP selection process is.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^
Hintz,
You really don't get the anology here?
An undefeated, conference champion, who did what was asked of them, gets the consolation prize?
Sorry, Brady, you must return those rings because there was a team with one more loss than you, even though you beat everyone you were asked to along the way.
We decided they looked better than you today...unlike yesterday.
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December 3rd, 2023 at 2:06 PM ^
And, BTW, what about all those other players who aren't hurt? What about the staff, the school, the fans that aren't hurt?
I guess they can just suck it...their team isn't sucking someone's cock hard enough...and they need more practice sucking until they get it right!
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^
The analogy compares it to a league where playoff participants are chosen specifically by wins and losses, not a group of people tasked with deciding the four best teams. So yeah, the analogy makes no sense
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:26 PM ^
The REAL issue here is that the committee broke precedent in a major way. The actual precedent has been that an undefeated P5 conference champion has ALWAYS gotten into the 4 team playoff, even if there was an argument that it wasn’t one of the 4 best teams. Based on precedent, FSU has a legitimate gripe and I feel for them and their fans. Based on how the committee claims they pick the top 4, I think there’s a real justification for including Alabama. But they’ve never actually acted this way before.
December 3rd, 2023 at 5:31 PM ^
Is there precedent where there was 5 P5 Champions with 0 or 1 loss and one of those teams had a season ending injury to their great QB?
Comparing to previous years is foolish considering every year is not the same.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:47 PM ^
You made his point.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^
They should have awarded the 2017 NFC East title to the Cowboys after Carson Wentz went down. Nobody wants to see the Eagles in the playoffs with Nick Foles. smh who would want to watch that?
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^
FSU still has an elite defense, which apparently doesn't matter, and regardless, they are a 13-0 Power 5 champion. This outcome is precisely what the playoff was created to avoid. It's a disgrace.
Imagine if Milroe had gotten hurt on the last play yesterday so the committee kept Georgia in over Bama. Bama fans would be outraged. ESPN's pro-SEC advocacy is solely motivated by their desire for money and ratings.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:46 PM ^
FSU should have it’s #2 QB available in a week or two. But, no one has mentioned that - only how QB 3 played against Louisville.
FSU defeating Florida in the Swamp was a terrible game, yet Bama’s miraculous win over a mediocre Auburn gets no play.
Yeah - there’s no bias whatsoever.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^
They had FSU ranked #4 and Alabama #8 before yesterday, with the knowledge that FSU’s #1 QB was gone for the season, but I guess they changed their minds about that?
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^
Exactly. The only thing that changed for FSU this week is that they won a championship with a 3rd string QB. And because of that they get dropped out?
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^
Imagine if that had happened to OSU when Cardale Jones took over for them as the 3rd string QB
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:00 PM ^
The difference is that that Ohio State team started rolling. They beat Wisconsin 59-0 in the B1G title game. They made a strong statement, and the committee had no choice but to include them.
It's brutal and unfair, but FSU had to make a statement against Louisville. They had to win big, and they didn't. They pulled off a gutsy win, and I think they should be rewarded for that, but unfortunately they didn't play well enough on offense to remove the doubt about their abilities sans Travis. Going into the weekend, anybody who had been paying attention had said that a loss or a close, ugly win would knock FSU out, if 'Bama should win. It's arbitrary bullshit, but those were the stakes.
And people are certainly overlooking the bullshit that is Alabama's win over Auburn (the defensive call by Auburn on the deciding play might actually be the worst defensive play-call in the history of major college football), and pretending that 'Bama has been absolutely rolling, but the perception exists that they're just better than FSU without Travis. Coming off a win for 'Bama over 12-0 Georgia, It's kinda hard to argue against that perception, annoying as it is.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:43 PM ^
Kinda think of Dennis Franklin somewhere.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:14 PM ^
People are bitching about FSU being left out because they don’t want to play Bama. FSU is not very good without Travis. The CFP is not a “reward” for a job well done, it is to identify the best team. FSU is not one of the best 4 right now and it’s clear. Committee got it right.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:18 PM ^
No one's bitching about playing Bama in the semi's. We would have had to play them anyways in the Final
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:21 PM ^
A lot of people are bitching about having to play Bama in the semis.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:33 PM ^
I'm only bitching because it's a travesty that FSU got shafted and I would be just as lit if the committee pulled that shit on Michigan with a banged up JJ
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:16 PM ^
Really, what about JJ on crutches til Feb.
Get real FSU can't beat anyone in the top 10 anymore.
Michigan just needs to prove itself.
You must want to play against a third string QB, the committee doesn't.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:30 PM ^
I don't give a fuck who we play. There are no gimmes at this stage. If you want to be a champion than you have to beat anyone you play
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:32 PM ^
Nah because they wouldn’t have gotten in at all.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:22 PM ^
Wrong. People are mad because FSU earned it and Bama didnt.
Why Bama over OSU? They had had the best loss of any 1 loss team.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:39 PM ^
Why do we care so much about FSU now?
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:05 PM ^
Among other reasons, the snub of FSU evokes the memory of the 1973 Michigan team that got screwed out of a Rose Bowl appearance, because Dennis Franklin got injured. It wasn't fair then and IMO it isn't fair now.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:20 PM ^
Well bama won their conference and has the best win out of any team. Is this a real question?
And the losses are #1 vs #3, not a huge margin there.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:22 PM ^
This is being said over and over again. I care for that kid who got injured. His team played their hearts out and still were left out. Why do you think people can sometimes look beyond an easy win. Fuck that. If UM can't beat Bama so be it. But do not trivialize how some of us feel about fairness. I did not neg you by the way.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:43 PM ^
I don’t care about being negged it’s fine.
People are acting like Bama is some scrub. They lost one game to another playoff team 12 weeks ago. They have gone undefeated since and just hammered the 2 time defending champ. The ACC is a weak conference. FSU needed to win big last night and they didn’t.
Bama is a deserving playoff team.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:23 PM ^
I love how you totally ignore the very cogent reasons given, for the opinions you are disparaging. You just construct your own narrative for why people are saying what they're saying, regardless of their own fucking words. It's asinine.
FSU got screwed, for all of the actual reasons listed above, and below your thoughtless comment.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:58 PM ^
Somebody gets screwed almost every year in some form. Yeah they have a good argument for the Playoff, sucks they lost their QB but they did. I’m not disparaging anybody. I think Bama and FSU were both deserving teams and one got the boot. It happens.
December 5th, 2023 at 4:55 PM ^
This is such a lazy take.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:51 PM ^
Keep telling yourself that if that's what it takes for you to believe it. The rest of us know what is right and wrong. FSU got screwed and if it was Michigan you wouldn't feel the committee "got it right."
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
Probably correct but I’m not an FSU fan so I don’t care. T minus - not long until FSU and ACC start saying that they got screwed because Michigan cheated and then nobody around here will be doing to Tomahawk chop anymore.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:18 PM ^
I think he might
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:25 PM ^
FSU’s defense is tough. I haven’t watched them much, but a couple of weeks ago I saw Jared Verse get a sack by picking up a 300+ pound tackle and throwing him into the QB like he was picking up a spare. Alabama lucked into a total collapse by Auburn to avoid a much deserved second loss, then beat Georgia when they were weakened by injuries. It isn’t clear.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^
Watched every single FSU game and went to one (my wife is an FSU alum) and you are spot on correct. FSU would have arguably brought the best defense to the CFP, after Michigan. They got absolutely hosed because Rodemaker couldn’t play last night, and that’s it. Period. They won the games they needed to, including last night with their third string QB - WHO WOULD NOT BE THE BOWL GAME STARTER. The viewpoint that in a bunch of posts that everyone is saying “everyone here would have picked FSU because it’s the easier game and that says everything” is (a) not true on either of those fronts and (b) complete garbage. I would have liked to get FSU so that both of my teams were in, but in terms of matchup, I wouldn’t want one bit of playing against the FSU defense. Luckily, Michigan doesn’t have to find out.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:27 PM ^
Ohio State is one of the best four teams in the country.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:24 PM ^
FSU is not very good without Travis.
Only good enough to win all the games they played without him? How good do you want them to be? Better than Alabama that needed a miracle to beat Auburn last week? Better than Washington that needed a walk-off field goal to beat unranked Washington State last week, and squeaked by Oregon State by 2 points?
This shouldn't be about a committee guessing how good a team is for any reason. The only things they did right are not jumping Washington over Michigan and not rewarding Ohio State for sitting home this weekend.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:18 PM ^
I am indeed bitching about M having to play Alabama instead of FSU. Michigan earned the #1 seed and should have the easiest path. Florida State earned a conference championship and went undefeated against a difficult schedule. So FSU deserved to be in the playoff over every non-undefeated team and M deserved to face them because FSU would be the weakest of the four teams. It didn’t happen so I am angry about Michigan’s chances at a Rose Bowl victory and national title shot being reduced. Why shouldn’t I be?
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:31 PM ^
+1 for saying how we all feel instead of a veneer of fairness.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:14 PM ^
I don't think they did honestly consider injuries. FSU won the games it played with backup QBs, including the championship. What the committee did do is guess at the future.
Don't forget that Alabama needed a miracle to beat Auburn just a week ago. But somehow that doesn't matter because of one game, beating Georgia...but all year we've heard that strength of schedule is important?
They should just come out and say "We're taking the four teams that we think will make us the most money." At least that would be honest.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:27 PM ^
Don't tell Joey Galloway. He was indignant that "we" don't care about the matchups. Only getting the four best teams. I laughed. I can't stand that guy.
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:49 PM ^
Why do they put him on the air? He is all vitriol and nastiness. He has been scowling and acting a cunt for over a decade. If there is a more miserable person in front of a camera, I have yet to see them.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:17 PM ^
Stephen A Smith says, "hold my beer."
December 3rd, 2023 at 1:59 PM ^
I don't get it. They already got the TV money, and they're certainly going to sell out the stadiums for both games, regardless. In what way will ... um ... the members of the Committee make more money by pulling in Alabama — who, lest we forget, only lost to another of the four semi-finalists, and beat what was, at the end of the regular season, the No. 1 team in the country) — instead of Florida State?
I feel for FSU. It totally sucks. But the constant assertions of corruption and conspiracy about every. single. decision. you. don't. like. (refereeing, ranking, selection, and yes, even sanctions) are baseless, insulting, and childish.
If you have some evidence that members of the Committee are corrupt or base their decisions on something other than their independent understanding of their formal responsibilities, go ahead and share it.
Otherwise, give it a rest.
December 3rd, 2023 at 2:14 PM ^
User name doesn't quite check out????
Dennis Franklin is remembered for his role in the classic 1973 M vs OSU game. When the teams met, both teams were unbeaten with OSU ranked No. 1, and Michigan No. 4. Michigan had outscored its opponents 320–58, OSU by a margin of 361–33. After an epic struggle, the game ended in a 10–10 tie. Ohio State had gone to the Rose Bowl the year before, which normally would have given Michigan the tie-breaker edge. After some deliberation, the Big Ten athletic directors picked the Buckeyes. There were several explanations including that Franklin broke his collarbone in the game. Us older alumni remember this screw-job well, and can empathize with FSU.