Discussion about the defensive game plan against Ohio State

Submitted by Jota09 on December 5th, 2019 at 10:55 AM

I am curious how the masses here at Mgoblog really feel about Don Brown.  It is obvious now that his game plan for OSU wasn't very effective and hasn't been 2 years running.  I saw people calling for his firing mid game and others blindly defending him.  Since we aren't getting a UFR and the game recap was just an acknowledgement that the game happened instead of analysis, I was hoping we could discuss it ourselves.  I am also hopeful we can be adults about it and be rational instead of the usual message board pissing contests.  

From my perspective, Don Brown was stuck between a rock and hard place.  Ohio State was going to just grind it down our throat all game if we didn't commit significant resources to stopping the run.  We've lamented how our DT's are extremely light and adequate at best this year, and Ohio State is built for power running.  It also seemed we played a lot of zone because of this, and most likely as a response to last year as well.  In my layman's perspective, the players didn't do very well executing the zone.  Our senior safety kept letting people behind him, bad communication let WR's run free up the sidleine, etc.  Maybe everyone was drilled all week to watch out for the run and the scramble that they got distracted when the lights came on.  Maybe they just played very bad that day.  Maybe they were asked to do too much.  I don't know, I'm just a fan who watches on my couch.  

So what say you fine people about all this?  Does Don Brown have an OSU problem?  I tend not to think so, as his first two years the defense did very well.  He might have a Ryan Day problem, but I'm not entirely sold on that either.  Last year he admitted that he thought we had the athletes to match up and run with them.  He was wrong in a few critical spots.  Maybe that doesn't go as it did if he schemes more instead of playing it straight.  I think this year he had to compensate for deficiencies in the personnel and OSU exploited it.  Maybe I'm trying to be too optimistic.  I would appreciate your thoughts.  

Swazi

December 5th, 2019 at 12:21 PM ^

His game plan seemed fine, but he didn't have the personnel to run it, if that makes sense.

 

And prt of that is on Don Brown recruiting wise.  UM got pushed around on the LOS and that allowed Fields to have all day to throw and it gave JKD ample holes to run through for big gains.

 

Part of that is Hinton and Mazi not being ready for these types of games, because, as Brian said "Freshman DTs suck.  Even 5* DTs".

Aubrey Solomon leaving hurt this aspect.  But Don also hasn't really been recruiting DTs this cycle either to prevent this problem from happening again if something happens to Hinton or Mazi.  

 

Getting in late on that Utah 3* DT tells me that Don Brown realizes now what the problem is.  But it might be too late to get anyone decent.

 

So, yeah, I think his gameplan might be fine, but he didn't have the palyers to run it.  And that's on him too.  

 

I've been on and off again on what to do with Brown after seeing The Game in person.  Giving up that many points two straight years is unacceptable.  And next year the DT situation may be fixed (pending injury), but the CB situation is pretty sketchy unless DJ Turner or Jalen Perry make a leap.  So we may have another different reason for getting blown out next year.

I don't know, man.  If Don wants to go back home to BC as Al Wasington or Jeff Halfrey's AHC/DC, I say let him.  But other than that, I just cant see firing him.

koolaid

December 5th, 2019 at 12:56 PM ^

Sometimes you have to score a ton of points to win. Unfortunately OSU has a great offense and never has bad luck, especially at QB. Michigan will have to score more points and just go toe to toe on offense.

MadMatt

December 5th, 2019 at 1:29 PM ^

The California "image and likeness" statute is a good model for the future. Conceptually, it's the solution. Please note, if the NCAA goes with this idea, one effect will be the legalization of bagmen. "Son, I collect memorabilia from the high school careers of Enormous State University athletes. I'd like to pay you [the going rate for a 5-star at his position] for your chin strap."

Why do I like this approach? First, it costs the schools and their athletic departments nothing more than what a revenue sport currently costs. The extra money comes from outsiders.

As a consequence (and second), there are no Title IX complications. The university isn't favoring a class of athletes, whose composition doesn't reflect the goals of Title IX; outsiders are choosing to pay the players that generate fan interest. (Conversely, if a member of a revenue sport isn't getting paid, the fans aren't cheering for you; they're cheering for your jersey. Harsh but true.)

Consequently (and third), it works for the stars of non-revenue sports too; think Katie Ledecky or Simone Biles. Currently, athletes who shine in Olympic sports have a hard choice at 18. They can go to college on athletic scholarship, but give up the chance to cash in as a pro while they do. It maybe their only chance. Katie Hoff and Missy Franklin won medals as high schoolers, but injuries ended their careers before they graduated from college. Michael Phelps studied at Michigan, coached the men's swim team at Michigan, but never competed for Michigan because his professional earnings were much more than the value of a scholarship. Suppose he didn't have to choose?

Folks this is the answer. I have no moral objection to Michigan bagmen paying our athletes what they are worth. My objection is to breaking the rules to do it. Yeah, the NCAA and the B1G are a bunch of money grubbing hypocrites who refuse to enforce the rules. But, joining a corrupt system isn't going to change it, and IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED! After all, who benefits when workers have to go under the table to get paid? Not the workers!

UMfaninLV

December 5th, 2019 at 1:33 PM ^

I just  watched clips of the game on youtube, and here are my thoughts...

 

--  Totally out smarted by OSU's route concepts 2 years in a row. Sure they have fast guys, but the issue was how much space they were given due to UM errors in both zone and man defense.

-- Don Brown tried to adjust to more zone, but obviously cannot teach/implement it very well for what OSU is doing. Hudson & Metellus looked lost as SR's.  The trade off was supposed to be less  blitz pressure, but better contain.  Well, that wasn't the case; OSU had all day for plays to develop.

 

The alarming thing here, is that lack of contain and discipline is nothing new. We saw major breakdowns vs Wisconsin earlier as well.

 

In short-- I'm more concerned about coaching moving forward vs OSU.

UMfaninLV

December 5th, 2019 at 1:33 PM ^

I just  watched clips of the game on youtube, and here are my thoughts...

 

--  Totally out smarted by OSU's route concepts 2 years in a row. Sure they have fast guys, but the issue was how much space they were given due to UM errors in both zone and man defense.

-- Don Brown tried to adjust to more zone, but obviously cannot teach/implement it very well for what OSU is doing. Hudson & Metellus looked lost as SR's.  The trade off was supposed to be less  blitz pressure, but better contain.  Well, that wasn't the case; OSU had all day for plays to develop.

 

The alarming thing here, is that lack of contain and discipline is nothing new. We saw major breakdowns vs Wisconsin earlier as well.

 

In short-- I'm more concerned about coaching moving forward vs OSU.

BlueMan80

December 5th, 2019 at 1:54 PM ^

This is what I saw....

JK Dobbins was getting at least 4 yards every time he touched the ball and Michigan's DT were having trouble holding the line of scrimmage.  Hutchinson and Paye were getting into the backfield on stunts, but not often enough to effectively stop the OSU running game.  Dobbins scored a few of his rushing touchdowns near me and he didn't even get touched on most of those plays.  So, D-line just didn't have the size to hold their ground or the speed to run around the OSU lineman on a regular basis.  The linebackers were committed to coverage.

In the second half, they started committing guys at the second level.  As we fell behind, it seemed like some of the players were resorting to hero-ball.  On the runs were Dobbins got outside in the second half, I saw Hudson get sucked inside and start chasing instead of staying home to set an edge.  Dobbins is a small guy behind that huge line and I'm sure they had trouble tracking him until he popped through a hole, but you need to execute your assignment, because they weren't collapsing the line and a hole would eventually form.  The secondary had some similar issues.  Once defenders start chasing plays, it's over.  A little misdirection and you are toast and that's what OSU used in the second half.  I'd say they knew what would happen based on the Wisconsin game.

TheJuiceman

December 5th, 2019 at 4:22 PM ^

Also this was my issue with DB after PSU 2017. Coaches that teach zone generally teach zone and vice versa. You cant coach man all this time, recruit for a man scheme all this time, and then think these kids will roll out of bed and play zone at a high level. It defies logic. It takes practice and an understanding of route combos, among other things.  He can try to coach it all he wants. He's predictably ineffective at doing so. 

Avon Barksdale

December 5th, 2019 at 4:32 PM ^

Ohio State’s plan was basically run it right at their small defensive line and “throw it to whoever Metellus is covering.” It worked well. 
 

In hindsight, it would’ve been nice if Brown put Metellus in the box and let the other guys (Thomas, Hill, Gray, Dax) do the heavy lifting in coverage.  But it did not work out like that. Plus Gray got beat deep as well. 

Panther72

December 5th, 2019 at 4:47 PM ^

This subject is subjective hogwash.  Offensive line run blocking failed to often. WR dropped balls, stupid teenage mischief has consequences and mental mistakes added to the score and yardage for the bucks. We had great years of D in the past. They play in the NFL now. Also there is the transfer portal to blame as well. But lets complain about coach Brown.

Durham Blue

December 5th, 2019 at 10:26 PM ^

Danna worked out great for us this season.  But next season we need to find one or two grad transfer DT's to establish some depth in case Smith or Hinton are a little slow to develop.

Ezekiels Creatures

December 6th, 2019 at 1:09 AM ^

We've lamented how our DT's are extremely light and adequate at best this year

 

These are Alabama's four DT commits for 2020. There's DTs out there.

Note the size:

Bluedream

December 6th, 2019 at 3:37 AM ^

OSU destroyed us in 2018 with a QB who could put the ball on a receiver in space. 
 

OSU destroyed us in 2019 with power runs and vertical passing. 
 

Don Brown came in to 2019 fully prepared to defend 2018 OSU. 
 

See our problem? Ryan Day and Kevin Wilson will find the weakness and exploit it.