CFP (8 team format is right around the corner)

Submitted by LakeWylieWolverine on

The calls and or groans for an 8 team CFP are only getting louder and more frequent. Some even want a 12 or 16 team format. I am thinking that starting in 2019 we will see at least an 8 team CFP. Here's to our coach, Jim Harbaugh, and the team breaking out in 2018 and regaining some lost luster on the national stage.

 

The Outback Bowl was an extremely bitter pill for me, as well as others, I am certain

To my fellow Michigan alums, fans living in the state of Michigan, hang tough. I know the heckling and smart a$$ fans. I lived in Columbus, Ohio for 25 year (1990 to 2015). It was unbearable at times

 

We have the right coach, albeit one that will have to make some adjustments and changes he did/does not want to make. Jim Harbaugh is the answer to awakening the sleeping giant. We are still slumbering but not for much longer. 2016 was a BIG missed opportunity. 2017 was almost as expected, though not admittedly by most of us.

 

Go Blue - Happy Sunday and Happy New Year!

 

 

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1VaBlue1

January 7th, 2018 at 8:31 AM ^

"To my fellow Michigan alums, fans living in the state of Michigan, hang tough."

What about those of us that don't live in Michigan?  Are we supposed to crack under the pressure of other team's fans?  Or just hang limp?

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Arb lover

January 7th, 2018 at 9:35 AM ^

I can't get past the fact that this guy admits to having lived in Columbus for 25 years. No wolverine does that. 

Given that equivocation is the easiest form of deception to get away with, I'm guessing this is really just an OSU fan bitter for not having made the playoff (and getting skunked by Clemson again) and trying to drum up support for the 8 team system. 

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BlueChip27

January 7th, 2018 at 8:44 AM ^

8 is the right number....it's manageable and will insure the deserving tems are in.

I'd also like to see some of the lesser bowls go away. I get the whole "it's good for the kids to get to a bowl" thing but some are unwatchable and the attendance won't sustain them.

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Mr. Yost

January 7th, 2018 at 9:01 AM ^

If they make money...why do you care if they're unwatchable or if they aren't well attended? It's not like it's a charity to the players. They still generate revenue. The alternative is more SportsCenter. If you want that...I challenge you to watch ESPNEWS for the duration of one of those shitty games. Complaining about something that doesn't matter. Just don't watch it. Do you log into WatchESPN to watch Ball St. play Buffalo on a random week 9? No. But they still play. This isn't much different. AS FOR THE OP...clearly a 2nd account. Called out WD a few days ago for having a 2nd account. How does anyone who has been on this site 2 weeks know WDs history that well? Just wanted to address it before someone said it was me, I sat trying not to be infuriated, then logged in to go off. I'm trying to prevent stress these days...Harbaugh and co. bring enough to our lives.

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January 7th, 2018 at 10:16 AM ^

You complain about things that don’t matter all the time, Sally. Remember when you wrote a goodbye post whining about losing your points? Did you see a therapist to get some help? Are you ok now? Just concerned about you Sally.

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crg

January 7th, 2018 at 11:48 AM ^

This argument is rehashed every year at bowl season, and I think yost is mostly correct. Who honestly cares how many bowl games there are now? At this point, does it even matter? The argument of "minimizing their importance" was gone decades ago once more than one team from each conference could go. At this point, it is just another nonconference game for each non-playoff team (and a good one at that compared to most others). And, really, do any of us want LESS college football?

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1VaBlue1

January 7th, 2018 at 9:14 AM ^

Do you really think all of those 4th rate bowl games fund themselves?  TV revenue sustains them.  While I've always known that, I didn't realize the extent of it until I read Seth's piece prior to the games this year.  You should look for his bowl preview article and give it a read.  To boil it down, ESPN pretty much funds them.  The locals raise prices enough to make money despite the lack of attendance, and ESPN makes it share with ad revenues during a live game broadcast vs some recorded non-game material.  Attendance means virtually nothing.

And like Yost said, don't watch them...  I didn't see most of the bowls this year, after watching every single one in previous lives...

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MIMark

January 7th, 2018 at 9:03 AM ^

When the playoff format was announced, I said something of the following: just wait until a crybaby fanbase gets left out ay #5. And there are no bigger crybabies than Ohio State and Alabama, who think everything should be theirs. Just wait until one of those is #5. The calls to expand to 8 will be deafening. Then at 8, just wait until a crybaby is #9. Look at this year. Alabama jumped Ohio State, left out at 5, and they throw tantrums. I grew up in Ohio, have OSU friends and family. Yes, tantrums. 8 teams is likely unfortunately coming. Only 1 team has the right to be upset and that is UCF. OSU has no right to be upset when they jumped Penn State last year for the same reason Alabama jumped them this year. I heard no sympathy from the OSU people; only justification of why they deserved it more than Penn State. Crybabies all of them now.

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GoBLUE_SemperFi

January 7th, 2018 at 5:44 PM ^

...been invited to an 8-team playoff. The idea that a team in a non-power 5 conference, with that WEAK schedule, is the catalyst for playoff expansion..well, I just don't buy it. The final CFP had them ranked at 13th, which means you'd probably need a 16-team playoff. I'm not going to be banging the drum anytime soon, for playoff expansion that allows the inclusion of teams that run the table, when their weak schedule ranks near the bottom third. If teams like UCF want to be taken seriously in terms of CFP consideration, schedule teams other than FIU and Austin Peay in the non-conference.

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HL2VCTRS

January 7th, 2018 at 9:25 AM ^

This post is like a beacon of light in the fog of Michigan fandom. I’m can’t tell you how grateful I am that you posted such an inspiring message of hope. Not only will I keep my head up, but because of you, great OP, and your message of positivity, I can get through my day. Also, this post is bad and you should feel bad.

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January 7th, 2018 at 9:53 AM ^

Look Wylie Cyote, taking you at your word that you are a Wolverine, there are a few things to keep in mind when posting to MGoBlog. I've only recently started posting as well, but I've been a lurker for  years. Once you've finished reading MGoBlog's helpful advice on the subject, consider the following as well:

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Max Power

January 7th, 2018 at 10:02 AM ^

Here is why 4 is best and shouldn't change.

1) To date, no undefeated power 5 team has missed the playoffs. That means that at the beginning of the season every power 5 team has a ticket to the playoffs. The second after they lose a game they leave thier fate to a room of men and women. Until then they control their own destiny. Wisconsin wins the BIG champ game, they are in. OSU wins both games they lost, they are in. That is why you cannot (should not) complain if your team doesnt get in. They had their chance and blew it. In the NCAA Tournament 72 teams make the tournament and people still complain when thier team doesnt make it. We complain about 12 seeds not getting in!

 

2) This is a playoff to determine the best team in college football,  NOT A CHARITY. UCF has no legitimate gripe. Yes they went undefeated. Who cares? They played the 54th ranked schedule. The lowest playoff team played the 7th ranked. Even if you expand the playoffs to 16, the next lowest SOS is Washington at 26.  Play the Power 5 teams week in and week out and if you survive the meat grinder then you have earned a spot. Beating Memphis twice doesnt cut it.  Yes, Alabama played Mercer, but UCF played Austin Peay. Alabama played 4 ranked teams. UCF played the same ranked team twice. 

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Cruzcontrol75

January 7th, 2018 at 10:06 AM ^

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2752631-cfp-director-bill-hancock-on… Its not happening any time soon. Even though the current system is greatly flawed it’s what we’re stuck with for the foreseeable future. Namely 65 teams eliminated prior to week 1. Schools that haven’t won their conference and subjected to the risk of losing a 13th game making it over a conference champ. Political BS.

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evenyoubrutus

January 7th, 2018 at 10:21 AM ^

Setting aside the poor quality of the OP, I'm going to state that I certainly hope the CFP never gets any bigger than 6 teams. The pageantry of the regular season in college football is unlike any other sport. Even a six team format would damage it (I think Michigan would have made it in in 2016 if there were 6 teams allowed). I don't want it.

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Pepto Bismol

January 7th, 2018 at 10:45 AM ^

Giving national championship tourney auto-bids to conference champs would make the regular season more important than ever before. Plus 6 teams would require byes for randomly seeded teams which is completely unfair. 8 is perfect. And OP is awful.

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CarrIsMyHomeboy

January 7th, 2018 at 11:35 AM ^

What prompts you to believe the tournaments to date have been seeded randomly ... or that they would become more random at 6? To date, I've felt that seeds #1 and #2 were generally obvious and deserved and that #4 (and sometimes #3) were the ones most steeped in controversy.

What's wrong with giving the obvious and deserved positions one fewer tourney game? The best argument I can think of is that the extra rest taken while idle during the "pre-semis" might make those teams rusty in the semis, but that doesn't appear to be your angle. What is your angle?

Also, why could we give auto-bids to P5 conference champs at a 8-team playoff but not at a 6-team playoff? A 6-team playoff constituted solely of conference champs would appear to be most in line with "valuing the regular season." I could argue that every wild card added beyond 6 would (at first blush seem to) act to diminish that.

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Pepto Bismol

January 8th, 2018 at 3:54 PM ^

Probably not, but I'll address this anyway.

You feel #1 and #2 are obvious.  They are not.  Clemson was 12-1 and #1.  Oklahoma 12-1 and #2.  Georgia was 12-1 and #3.  This is completely random.  They all beat some good teams.  They all had an ugly loss.  They all won their completely independent and in no way relatable or comparable conferences.  None of us know if it's harder to win the ACC or SEC or if Big XII scoring is crazy because of shitty D or superb O.  Nobody knows.

Why do two of these teams get a week off and the other has to battle a top-5 team?  Because it's random.  There is no qualification process for these seeds.  It's a bunch of old people picking names out of a hat. 

Same goes for Washington/Clemson/OSU in '16.  And MSU/Alabama/Oklahoma in '15. Which one gets a free bye and which two have to spend that same week in a death battle?  Pure random opinion. 

My "angle" is that your "obvious and deserved positions" are figments of your imagination.  There's nothing obvious.  If the committee likes your face, you get a bye.   

Finally, yes, you could definitely have 5 autobids in a 6-team playoff, which is why I added "PLUS" and then made a secondary point of why it should be 8 instead of 6.  1st point = Auto Bids wouldn't devalue regular season. 2nd point = Byes are stupid. 

You need to have 6 (not 5) because you need to include the top Group of 5 qualifier - UCF this year, WMU last year, etc.  If you're going to flat omit the G5 teams, just call them 1-AA and end the charade.  So there's 6.  Now tell me where an undefeated Notre Dame goes in your 6-team playoff.  Nowhere.   "MAKE THEM JOIN A CONFERENCE!", the boneheads scream from the cheap seats.  No. It's Notre Dame. They're Independent.  Welcome to the 1900s. 

That won't always, nor even regularly, pose a problem, but it could.  And so could a situation like this year where Alabama is likely the best team in the country and they get shut out of their conference title game because there's always going to be problems when you try to determine a champion by making 14 teams play just 7 or 8 conference opponents.  It's impossible.  There aren't enough games to support the size of these conferences. 

So you can blow the whole thing up and redraw conferences, TV deals, etc., which is an absolute pipe dream.  Or you can be smart and just allow for the '17 Alabama or '16 OSU that probably deserves to be there but got caught in some ludicrous B1G East tie-breaker, by opening up 1 or 2 at large spots for non-champs.

 

And then, guess what?  No random byes for unsupportable reasons.  A simple 8 team bracket with everyone on relatively equal footing playing an equal amount of games.  And every FBS school in America has a direct path to the College Football playoff on September 1st.  Win your conference and get in.  If you don't make it?  Maybe you're that Top-5 team that got screwed and can grab one of two at-large bids. If your school was omitted from the at-large and you feel you were wronged?  Eat shit. Should've won your conference. 

There has never been more than 1 highly regarded Group of 5 team in a single season that I can recall.  But if that happens, and starts happening regularly, then maybe you look at 16 with all 10 confernces and 6 at-large.  Until then, 8 answers all problems and doesn't have the unfair and unnecessary byes of a 6-team format.

 

Have I mentioned that Byes are a terrible idea?

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