The Athletic- NCAA only got this last Tuesday
Pretty amazing stuff, this outside law firm presented this to the NCAA and the next day they tell the Big Ten
No more information who is paying this law firm
The timing also seems to confirm the leaks initially were from the Big Ten not the NCAA, the leaks today do seem to be from the NCAA IMO
“The firm presented its information to the NCAA last Tuesday, according to the newspaper, and the NCAA informed both the Big Ten and Michigan that it had opened an investigation into the matter Wednesday. The investigation became public knowledge Thursday.”
https://theathletic.com/4999767/2023/10/25/michigan-sign-stealing-inves…
October 25th, 2023 at 9:02 PM ^
It’s times like this that we need to rally around the dicks and assholes speech from Team America: World Police.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:10 PM ^
seconded
October 25th, 2023 at 9:03 PM ^
Ok, there are multiple threads going on here:
1. How was there access to Michigan computers? Even if this stemmed from Weiss, a company isn't at liberty to share any information.
2. As Klatt mentioned, who knew what and enabled it?
3. Why is this so coordinated. It feels like a bombshell is going off every day.
4. Where do we go from here? Is signal stealing more serious than NIL and coaches messing with the transfer portal?
If the NCAA is going to act all high and mighty, then let's shine a light on everything.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:15 PM ^
Has the NCAA ever acted all high and mighty? What are we talking here..
October 25th, 2023 at 9:15 PM ^
doublepost
October 26th, 2023 at 6:06 AM ^
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Stalions creates a non-university shared drive and keeps all his info there. He leaves it public or shares it intentionally with the wrong person.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:03 PM ^
Cryan better lawyer up and scrub his computers. What's the penalty for accessory to computer hacking? Did he pay for this from his own money or is this clear evidence of a lack of institutional control? I wonder who might be motivated now to explore these burning questions so we can make sure all parties are treated equally.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:04 PM ^
No matter where this ends up, I want to drop 50 on OSU this year.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:16 PM ^
To clarify, we need to drop more points than OSU to win.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:04 PM ^
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October 25th, 2023 at 9:05 PM ^
A pillow salesman has the evidence, and he will give all up real soon. But while you're waiting, use promo code: MYPILL25 for 25% off your next order!
October 25th, 2023 at 9:25 PM ^
This is the best comment I’ve seen today. Thank you.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:03 PM ^
2nd time he posted it.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:05 PM ^
It's a PR full frontal assault at this point.
If a firm illegally accessed computers and then provided someone with evidence that they did it, it would be ridiculously dumb. I don't buy it.
So, logic suggests that they DIDN'T illegally access it. That would mean someone with authorized access gave them access to the drives contents. I think the suggestions that Michigan was hacked are unlikely.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:11 PM ^
Authorized access doesn’t give you authorization to disseminate. Two separate things.
I can access numerous systems as an UM employee. I don’t have the right to disseminate information contained within without permission. They make us watch a video about it each year.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:20 PM ^
October 26th, 2023 at 12:18 AM ^
You seem okay with criminal activity. What a weird hill to die on.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:21 PM ^
I can't speak for a state institution but a private company owns every last thing produced during one's employ. If I had disseminated any materials created by me for my company to outside sources without the company's permission, I'd be very screwed.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:05 PM ^
The legal experts will have to weigh in but the situation of being a whistleblower is different than somebody that say disseminates for personal payment, etc.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:23 PM ^
The term "whistleblower" is an interesting one. Does it apply to something as unimportant as college football (unimportant compared to national security issues, for example)?
October 26th, 2023 at 12:20 AM ^
In this instance the university and NCAA have established procedures to deal with infractions. This person went outside of those procedures.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:12 PM ^
Jesus, this was basically a drive-by shooting of our program. I hope and believe our team is mentally resilient enough to take this wound and channel their anger over it into a series of colossal ass whoppings culminating in the ass whooping to end all ass whoopings on November 25.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:18 PM ^
This sir is why I am gently smiling. It's not Ohio against the world. Michigan has way more motivation, it's not even comparable.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:32 PM ^
Completely agree.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:20 PM ^
No one else besides stallions has been suspended or let go, until then I'm not concerned. Until other names start coming out, this is a narrative spin.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:24 PM ^
Ryan Day -> Law Firm -> NCAA / Stapleton -> Big Ten -> Thamel
October 25th, 2023 at 10:01 PM ^
You’re missing the whistleblower. Day didn’t figure this out on his own. He was likely tipped off by someone who was with the program.
October 25th, 2023 at 11:14 PM ^
Mattison?
October 25th, 2023 at 9:29 PM ^
I got no idea what's supposed to be going on. Either there's some NCAA clowns show that, by the time it's done, the NCAA won't exist or, on the other hand, this is some FBI level cybercrimes investigation which, by the time it's done, I'll be dead, and Jim will have three national titles. And there won't be any asterisks next to them.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:30 PM ^
If some rival school did hire this firm, that might disrupt whatever tacit understanding there was among college football programs that teams scout each other. That kind of move really turns things up a notch, if programs know that at any time, they're fair game for an opponent to turn loose PIs and attorneys on them, looking for whatever dirt they can find. That kind of thing can really spiral out of control.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:33 PM ^
Just one of the many i n n o v a t i o n s that comes with such a concentration of easy money and resources in big-time college football. In hindsight, this kind of espionage was inevitable and probably more widespread than we know. The future is bright!
October 25th, 2023 at 9:32 PM ^
There was a post on Reddit, not that I could give two shits about them. It said that Ryan Day had hired a firm to investigate us. All I can say is if we’re innocent than nothing to worry about. Teams turn each other in all the time. Unfortunately this is snowballing at a massive rate.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:53 PM ^
Could be. But any firm SHOULD validate legal authority to acquire and investigate the computers in question. If there was no legal authority, that firm is toast.
Additionally, if a U of M staffer provided the drive to the firm, without proper approval, that staffer is toast, and the firm also. I just have a problem seeing how an outside firm could legally access those drives UNLESS it was some firm hired and signed off by U of M.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:07 PM ^
Then why wouldn't Michigan itself present the evidence to the NCAA as a mea culpa, versus a PI firm presenting it unsolicited out of the blue?
October 25th, 2023 at 10:18 PM ^
I'm not and I know many here are not dummies...and I believe if something does not make any sense to a smart person, it's because the person does not have all the facts.
I expect this faucet to continue to drip
October 25th, 2023 at 9:33 PM ^
What will be the narrative when UM wins @PSU by 24 and trucks OSU by 38?
October 25th, 2023 at 9:43 PM ^
I hope to hell we find out.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:45 PM ^
Penn states a speed bump. I want a slighted team with pinned up aggression from being called cheaters leaving no doubts on the field when we play OSU. I told my son that OSU would scream that we’re roided up if we kicked their ass again.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:01 PM ^
This for sure is not a good look for us. I will say that using a cell phone to record is not a violation and they keep using the term sign stealing. That is not illegal but it does say we were doing in person scouting which is illegal. The problem I have is if it is interns mostly at games are they really considered staffers? I just don't like the way we look in this article and it really could be bad for us. I just don't know how much to believe and who hired the law firm. Seems like that could be a violation in itself.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:06 PM ^
We were NOT doing in person! Cite it one time, please. Once!!!
October 25th, 2023 at 10:30 PM ^
The firm said the documents and videos were obtained from computer drivers maintained and accessed by multiple Michigan coaches, which showed that the program had been orchestrating a sign-stealing operation involving both in-person scouting and video recordings of coaches on sidelines, the Post reported.
-The Athletic
October 25th, 2023 at 10:45 PM ^
I tell you what's funny the athletic is saying we had a staffer in person scouting. Eventually that will be refuted because there is no way that they have one of our coaches holding an iPhone taping another teams game. But ok.
October 25th, 2023 at 11:29 PM ^
Ah, but The Athletic said the Post said it, and probably the Post said Mr. Anonymous said it.
Anyway, it does look very much at this point like Stalions was telling people to go in person to take videos of the sidelines and get the videos back to him. How many loopholes did he successfully navigate--will the NCAA even care--that part is less clear. But I wouldn't count on this ending with us being found by the NCAA to be 100% off the hook. If that does happen though, that will be a fun day, let me tell you.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:34 PM ^
Michigan football student interns seems tougher to try to hide behind a technicality of non-staffer.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:05 PM ^
Michigan needs to hire Magnum P.I. to get to the bottom of this
October 25th, 2023 at 10:17 PM ^
Or Frank Reagan
October 25th, 2023 at 10:08 PM ^
If you believe all of this stuff then I've got some beach front property on the moon for sale.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:09 PM ^
The WaPo article states that the firm's investigation involved interviews, documents, videos, and multiple computer drives. I can't imagine any way an outside firm could access those drives and get cooperation in interviews during the busy football season. So I'm really thinking somebody at U of M hired this outside firm, and authorized access to those drives and also required compliance with the investigators. Why? Maybe to dig up dirt on Harbaugh before the contract extension. And maybe whoever hired that firm had a good idea about the in game scouting and sign stealing.
October 25th, 2023 at 10:21 PM ^
To authorize dissemination would require Harbaugh or Manual’s consent. It appears some dumbass went well beyond what was legally permissible.