Anonymous former Harbaugh Assistant says he doesn’t know X’s & O’s? (Athletic)

Submitted by Willstud99 on January 9th, 2023 at 6:07 PM

https://theathletic.com/4068505/2023/01/09/jim-harbaugh-broncos-russell-wilson/?source=user_shared_article
 

Harbaugh brings an unmatched level of intensity that can energize a program while uniting and inspiring players through the power of his convictions, no matter how corny some of his antics would seem if others tried to employ them. On the down side, he is not the sort of coach who is going to install schemes and tweak them to fit personnel or exploit opponents. That makes Harbaugh more dependent than some coaches on the assistants he hires.

“Jim’s involvement in football is the equivalent of the absent-minded professor walking into the room and drawing up a trick play, taking a dip and walking out the door,” this assistant said. “He is not a football scheming person.”

I could be super late to the party on this perception of Harbaugh but this seems like a wild take considering we were all pretty sure he was calling plays here until he hired Gattis after ‘18. Didn’t seem like sour grapes from the source but genuinely curious for those of you who know, is this something people have always said about him?

Harbaugh4TheWin

January 10th, 2023 at 5:02 AM ^

Harbaugh coached at the University of San Diego, not San Diego State.  I'm sure you knew that, like just about everybody who mixes up the two during commentary.  But, did you know that SDS is a public college with more than three times the enrollment of USD, which is a small private Catholic school with just over 8000 students?  I didn't until I Googled it.  I upvoted anyway because we all make mistakes.  Go Blue!    

mitchewr

January 9th, 2023 at 6:49 PM ^

That’s sorta how I took it as well. Like, maybe he gets Xs and Os on a broad basis but isn’t the kind of guy who’s going to dive into the nitty gritty and start tweaking schemes and plays?

Maybe?

Seems rather plausible that anyone in football at any level could have a varying degree of in-depth understanding / mastery of Xs and Os. 🤷‍♂️

garnejo1

January 9th, 2023 at 6:55 PM ^

for discussion purposes, who do you think is responsible for the offense design (at least the complicated run game)? Moore has only been Co-OC for the last 2 years and was the TE coach before that...Gattis? ummm...I doubt he was the force behind the complicated run game...Drevno? lolololol....Jed? doubtful as he seems more of a pass guy....

to say he's absent minded and draws up a trick play and walks out is really insulting and seems really implausable

Romeo50

January 9th, 2023 at 7:48 PM ^

So he empowers his Coordinators but when they falter (Gattis) he tweaks the approach to employ a team strength and empowers Moore to scheme runs like has worked at Stanford and the Niners. This results in greatly improved results.

Without a strong armed, accurate and mobile QB what would a naysayer have done different? Bring RR's approach back?

A top collegiate and NFL QB and son of a college coach whose brother owns a Super Bowl ring clearly knows nothing about football plays and the anonymous genius has ultimate credibility

Kevin13

January 9th, 2023 at 7:49 PM ^

And that makes perfect sense. You hire good coordinators and coaches to put together the game plans and call plays. A head coach is more of a manager looking down over everything going on and making the final decisions and managing a game 

Bo Harbaugh

January 9th, 2023 at 6:15 PM ^

Bullshit.

Many coaches have already applauded Jim's ability to design complex running and blocking schemes that put LB's and safeties in conflict.  

No coach is perfect, and all (even the best minds - Meyer, Belicheck, Sean Payton) get out schemed in given matchups, as did Jim and staff against TCU's 3-3-5...but it's pretty well established that Jim can coach the hell out of running game when given the personnelle...going back to his days at Stanford and SF.

I do believe our passing game - specifically route trees and progressions leave something to be desired, but I look forward to seeing progress there with a now fully mature and tested JJ with veteran receivers. Jim hasn't exactly had a top tier QB at any of his stops or at any level since Andrew Luck

jsquigg

January 9th, 2023 at 6:51 PM ^

I know the Semifinal sucked and all, but we're going with an "out schemed against the 3-3-5" narrative when they put up 45? I was much more frustrated by the defensive decisions than what we did offensively, and even then if we don't gift them 2 pick sixes we win by 2 or so scores. I didn't see that game as representative of coaches being fooled or out schemed, it was a coming together of the worst version of probabilities for Michigan.

rice4114

January 10th, 2023 at 2:11 PM ^

The problem is we set 1st halves on fire while we are playing a team coached by the next Mike Leach. If we play call the first half like we did the second half the game wouldve been ours. Hell we couldve thrown another pick 6. Screen passes just beyond those attacking linebackers wouldve sent them into the halftime wondering what they were doing. We didnt attack and make them change. 

TCU wasnt as dumb as OSU and that is why we lost. 

stephenrjking

January 9th, 2023 at 7:29 PM ^

What route trees? What progressions?

People criticize stuff like this but most of us have no idea what we're actually talking about.

A route tree is just a diagram of different routes that begins with a single straight line and has various breaks for "comeback" and "dig" and such. The typicaly route tree has 9 such routes. Of course, there are a number of others (see the linked article for some of them). Michigan runs all of the routes. The "route tree" is fine. Some offenses that people would consider "sophisticated" are actually a lot simpler; a good example is the Art Briles lineage that includes what Josh Heupel was doing at Tennessee this year, a lot less complex than what Michigan runs.

Perhaps you're referring to "concepts," which are named route combinations that attack the defense in specific ways. "Mesh" is an example of such a concept.  Michigan runs quite a few of them. I don't know how many, nor how the number compares to other college football programs, and in all likelihood nobody else on this board does, either. 

"Progressions" is a description of the process that the QB uses to read receivers in turn. Post-snap progressions have a QB looking at his primary receiver, then (if the throw isn't there) a specific second and third. This typically is baked into the route concept that is run. There are also pre-snap reads that determine where the QB begins to look. Michigan heavily leans on pre-snap reads... but then, so does the apparently advanced passing attack of Ohio State, whose pre-snap read system Michigan ruthlessly exploited to shut down erstwhile Heisman Candidate CJ Stroud.

I think it's better to suggest that Harbaugh's passing attacks have frequently been less dynamic than we would like to see, particularly given his QB orientation. It's harder to explain why, because we aren't football coaches and we don't have all-22 film to examine.

And it is very much worth noting that this sort of thing has been consistent for Harbaugh across, now, four different offensive playcalling setups during his time at Michigan. 

Also something that has extended through multiple offensive coaches and OL coaches: a desire for a sophisticated and complex run game (though not as consistent, obviously, it has always been there). 

 

Bo Harbaugh

January 9th, 2023 at 7:46 PM ^

Thanks for the clarification, no snark intended.
 

Let me put it another way…

For whatever reason/s, our passing game has looked broken at various times during Harbaugh’s tenure.

Given that it’s the coach’s job to scheme up plays based on the team’s talents and strengths, some of that needs to fall on our offensive staff. 

Mad Trucker

January 9th, 2023 at 6:16 PM ^

There are many Head Coaches that don't have a specific scheme or are responsible for diagramming every play on either offense or defense. That's why coordinators are hired. 

He doesn't need to be the smartest "football guy" in the room if he's smart enough to hire the ones that make him look like he is.

Mercury Hayes

January 9th, 2023 at 6:16 PM ^

I think it would be difficult to find the success Harbaugh has had at the college and pro level if he wasn't an above average X/O guy. Maybe there are others better than him, and we can see that in his style (stubborn, apprehensive to let QB run, few passes to fast RBs). Still, there are many other components that show he does know how to scheme against weaker areas (TEs against slow backers), etc.

Speed_in_Space

January 9th, 2023 at 6:16 PM ^

I forget who but someone from the 49ers claimed this. I want to say it was a RB? Brandon Jacobs? It sounded a bit like sour grapes, but he claimed Jim Harbaugh was incredibly random to the point where it felt like he didn't know what he was doing sometimes.

Something about slant routes where your WRs would get blown up across the middle of the field that made Jacobs wonder what he was doing and if he was just trying to get their WRs killed.

Jim's quirky. This is a given and he has some randomness in him. The TCU game is evidence of this with him pulling out the double reverse pass and not just running a sneak after the Bell TD was overturned instead of giving it to Mullings (who had fumble issues all spring and couldn't crack the lineup for that exact reason).

But sometimes it pays off too like the Mullings jump pass against OSU and the onside kick against TCU.

Magnus

January 9th, 2023 at 7:38 PM ^

Yeah, Harbaugh was criticized for calling double slants at Cover 2 safeties.

It's all weird.

Honestly, in my experience, a lot of "He doesn't know football" criticism is thrown out by guys who just disagree with the way things are done. An Air Raid guy is going to come into Michigan and say, "Ah, these guys don't know how to pass the ball. Haha!." A Harbaugh guy is going to go into an Air Raid program and say, "Jeez, these guys don't know how to run the ball. Haha!"

4-3 guys laugh at guys who run the 3-3-5. Wing T guys laugh at spread guys.

So...somebody has an axe to grind, and they're calling out Harbaugh's football knowledge based on emotion rather than rationality. Clearly Harbaugh knows what he's doing because he was an elite college/NFL quarterback and has now won at the FCS, FBS, and NFL levels.