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Yea, that one is pretty…

Yea, that one is pretty questionable with zero Michigan Oline being drafted.

I mean, Alabama had…

I mean, Alabama had something pretty similar with Jalen Milroe last year...

So here's the thing.  Every…

So here's the thing.  Every year there's a draft "riser," that goes from the second to the mid first or the late first to top 10 in mock drafts.  But the problem is people take that as NFL TEAMS suddenly shooting a guy up boards from the second to the top 10.  But that's not the case.  Just because mock draft guys and internet "scouts" thought a guy was a second round pick, doesn't mean NFL front offices did.  I firmly believe this is the case with JJ.

 

Second, people have to be really stupid to believe that NFL GM's, scouts, and other front office personnel, have all done their homework, studied a guys tape, watched every game, talked to him, had him in for a private workout, graded him a late first rounder, and then because Jim Harbaugh says he's good, they threw all that work out the window and went "welp, guess we missed something, this dude is clearly top 5."  It defies belief.

This is correct.  The only…

This is correct.  The only reason Florida St. is in trouble is because a coach drove a recruit to meet with an NIL group.  And their punishment is the SCHOOL can't speak with that NIL group for a year, but that NIL group can still directly deal with players and offer them whatever they want. 

It should be noted that NFL…

It should be noted that NFL teams can't officially hire anyone until, I believe, Jan 22nd.  So we won't know anything one way or the other until then, regardless.

To be fair, I've seen one of…

To be fair, I've seen one of Washington's guards being mocked in the mid first, and those guys got destroyed too.

JJ might have made a million…

JJ might have made a million.  He's also the starting QB and a very recognizable and marketable name.  Trent Jones, currently, is not.  I think he probably should have come back and improved his stock as a starter, but the idea that these guys are going to make more with Michigan's NIL than they would in the NFL is frankly ridiculous.

NFL rookie minimum is $750k…

NFL rookie minimum is $750k per year.  You think he was making more than that in NIL???  Based on what we know of Michigan's NIL, that's delusional.

The kid from Liberty seemed…

The kid from Liberty seemed like a decent option but apparently he's withdrawn from the portal anyway.

Maybe.  The PAC 12 isn't…

Maybe.  The PAC 12 isn't exactly a buzzsaw, and his defenses have typically been poor.  I'd like to see what he does without a 36 year old, 12th year senior, first round pick at QB.

Not at all, no. 

Nope, there's been no word on Jones going to the Senior Bowl.

I think the crying about…

I think the crying about special teams is recency bias and hyper focusing on punt returns.  Michigan was still what, top 10? in special teams s&p.  Michigan missed like one field goal all year.  Tommy Doman was an amazing punter and punt coverage was mostly excellent.  Kickoff coverage was stopping returns at the 10-15 yard line routinely.  The only issue they had was the punt return team, and frankly acting like Michigan's special teams were rough because of one aspect when the others were anywhere from god to excellent is like saying the offense struggled because they had some problems with outside zone.

I am far less sold on Deboer…

I am far less sold on Deboer than apparently a lot of other people in this board are.  His defenses have been, frankly, bad.  I'd like to see what he does without a 33 year old, 20th year senior first round pick at QB first.

I'd guess he's had some…

I'd guess he's had some conversations with agents, and he hasn't heard good things about his draft prospects, given the potential QB's in this class.  Probably hoping for a decent NIL pay day and one more year to try and improve his stock.

To be fair, I think a couple…

To be fair, I think a couple of trick plays IS the standard playbook.  Michigan runs at least a flea flicker almost every game.

It's really not the…

It's really not the difference.  The Magic attempt far less 3's and make the same percentage.  He just isn't that good.  Cunningham is like the fifth best player from that draft.  

Just from that draft alone,…

Just from that draft alone, I'd take Mobley, Barnes, Franz, and Sengun over Cunningham.

I don't know where you got…

I don't know where you got these ages lol.  You are correct that Franz is 22 and Banchero is 21.  Caleb is 21, not 20.  Cole Anthony is 23, not 29 and only in his 4th NBA season.  Jalen Suggs is 22, not 25.  Mo is 26, not 29.  The Magic are one of the youngest teams in the NBA, younger than the Pistons in fact.

I mean, the best players on…

I mean, the best players on the Magic are mostly 22 or younger as well.

What bothers me is this was…

What bothers me is this was a coach or coaches attacking a player, insinuating that he was an active participant in "cheating."  I find that frankly disgusting.  Attack M's coaches all you want (despite no evidence being presented that any of them knew anything about what Stalions was doing).  But you're going to attack players anonymously?  Potentially hurt their draft stock, legacy, future earnings?  Absolute loser, whoever it was.

So you think opposing…

So you think opposing coaches "aren't wrong" to accuse not only Michigan coaches (who have not been linked in any way to Stalions activities), but also players?  Typical classy PSU fan.

Gee, I wonder why?

Gee, I wonder why?

The issue isn't Connelly, it…

The issue isn't Connelly, it's ESPN and their complete lack of standards.  They consistently put of incorrect information anyone who took 5 minutes to google could tell you was wrong.

This is Fox specifically,…

This is Fox specifically, going all in on a copyright claim strategy the other networks abandoned ten years ago.

So I'd guess Jim Harbaugh…

So I'd guess Jim Harbaugh won't be coaching at Michigan next year.  I wouldn't if I was him.

What happened actually wasn…

What happened actually wasn't the NCAA.  Let's remember how all this started.  With the BIG.  The first thing we heard was the BIG told MSU we might have their signals.  Why?  Why did the BIG even tell them?  Most of the actual leaks I've seen have come from the BIG office.  If we're looking at everything surrounding this, the BIG is started this, is driving it, and is amplifying it out of proportion.

 

  It's possible that, like with past cases of in person scouting, the NCAA would have just ignored it because everyone does it.  The BIG amplified the whole by telling MSU like it was some kind of scandal, and then the media ran with it.  At this point, the BIG is solely responsible for this nonsense, in my mind.

This is a specific point I…

This is a specific point I've brought up a number of times.  Ryan Walters (and others) keep saying they have multiple instances of sign stealing "on video."  I very much doubt that.  I'd bet dollars to doughnuts what they ACTUALLY have is stadium surveillance footage of a guy in a specific seat holding up a phone.  Now, is that guys/those guys almost certainly getting paid by Stalions to record the signals?  Sure, but what does the footage actually show?  A guy who could be a creep recording cheerleaders?  A guy recording the crowd?  A guy recording the sky or livestreaming his own face for all the footage likely shows.  I would almost guarantee that's what Walters "multiple instances on tape" actually are.

Clown take, but go off I…

Clown take, but go off I guess...

If you're Scott Frost, you…

If you're Scott Frost, you say "we outhit them."

Did 2012 have excellent…

Did 2012 have excellent talent?  Really?

You realize she could flirt…

You realize she could flirt with him and still not have consented to him rubbing one out during a phone conversation, right?  Your argument is "she shouldn't have dressed that way if she didn't want it" churched up to sound different.  

This is frankly an insane…

This is frankly an insane take to me.  You want to lose one of the best staffs in the country (and that is what would happen) because a guy hasn't been a head coach at some group of 5 school for a year?  Madness.

Not to be an ass, but I have…

Not to be an ass, but I have to question if you're actually a chemist if you don't know how the ideal gas law would have affected the air pressure inside a ball that was outside in New England in winter.

Larry Coker was 60-15 and…

Larry Coker was 60-15 and was fired after one 7 win season.  He was fine.  As was Frank Solich at Nebraska.  Both teams completely tanked after they left.  

The level of hazing is…

The level of hazing is probably part of it.  When I was in the military several E4's taped a few new privates to a bench for like a minute.  I probably wouldn't have considered this hazing but the CO, the XO, the 1st Sgt and Battalion certainly did.  All of the E4's involved got article 15's an extra duty.  So it could be as little as that.

Yea, agreed with this. …

Yea, agreed with this.  Poole averages about a point more per game on much better efficiency, but Levert averages more rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, less turnovers, more win shares, and is actually a positive defensive player.

Aside from the obvious…

Aside from the obvious financial reasons, the college and minor league systems already in place in the US make it impossible.  Small clubs in small European towns have been there for 100 years and have devoted fanbases that keep them alive, and stick with them through relegation.  You can't plop a "pro" team down in say, Ann Arbor or Columbus, and expect it to survive.  

I'm not saying he's going to…

I'm not saying he's going to be Von Miller, but people remember Von Miller was 240 lbs in his final season of college, right?  Frankly, the weight isn't a concern for me at all, if you want him to rush the passer.

They have to use different…

They have to use different parameters for actions.  Despite both being made by EA Tiburon, the same years games of Madden and NCAA never played the same or felt even remotely similar.  

So they can screw things up…

So they can screw things up from one central location, good idea.

Signing the entry level at…

Signing the entry level at the beginning of the season or end doesn't make a difference.  The timer starts when they sign, not when they play.

I was listening to an…

I was listening to an analyst yesterday (in Canada, but still) who said he'd take Stroud because he's a "gamer" that shows up in big games and only brought up Georgia.  It's like, what did he do in the game literally right before that one?  Like you've clearly only watched him in that Georgia game. 

You're kidding yourself if…

You're kidding yourself if you think this isn't happening in college hockey too.  It happens in pee wee, bantam, midget, the CHL leagues and yes, college hockey.

There's not enough "dog…

There's not enough "dog mentality" in the world to turn a close race into a half lap win.  Michigan would have destroyed them by a lap without the fall.

I wouldn't take anything…

I wouldn't take anything Brandon Jacobs has to say about Harbaugh at face value.  In the same interview he said that, he said Harbaugh didn't win a super bowl because he was a bitch and that when he was done "exposing" Harbaugh, Michigan would fire him. That was 6 years ago.  

Or it may be because…

Or it may be because Michigan should have won that game by about 30 but there were literally 4 events in that game for which Michigan was maximally punished.  I'd guess it's that one.

Quinn Hughes probably should…

Quinn Hughes probably should have been in but the NHL all star game apparently doesn't worry about filling positions anymore.  The Pacific division all star roster has one defenseman on it.

David long is barely getting…

David long is barely getting snaps for the Rams right now, so I'd question "great"

I'd take Leon Hall over…

I'd take Leon Hall over everyone since Woodson and not think twice.  Johnson may get there, but he's not there yet.

From a fellow vet a few…

From a fellow vet a few years before you, you should have tried NOT getting blown up.

Seriously though, Go Blue!