After only 4 games, looks like Josh Gattis has worn out his welcome in Miami
Well this didn't take long. After only 4 games, the knives are out for Josh Gattis. I almost forgot about the guy.
I guess losing to Middle Tennessee State is not helping matters much.
Michigan is leading the nation this season in PPG. Losing Josh Gattis did not effect them AT ALL. This offense is god awful
— Bam Adobobayo (@Bam_Adobobayo) September 24, 2022
Assistant Coach of the Year?! Pfft a joke pic.twitter.com/MGjiAt5zn4
September 25th, 2022 at 4:14 PM ^
Maybe he should bad mouth his employer. Helps with lateral moves. The team, the team, the team!
September 25th, 2022 at 4:25 PM ^
I'd be fascinated to learn what really went on behind the scenes here. Like, it was pretty obvious when Harbaugh reinserted himself in the process.
I won't claim to know which plays were called by Harbaugh vs Gattis - this board LOVED to attribute unproductive rushes to Harbaugh and productive passes to Gattis - but at some point the whole offense started to feel a bit more coherent.
I bought the Gattis hype when he arrived, and I still think the ideas were sound (sound enough anyway). But unlike Pep, whose shortcomings were obvious, it isn't completely clear to me WHY Gattis can't seem to put together an actual offense.
[Edit: also, his attitude of, "I'm just here until my inevitable Head Coaching gig comes through", never sat right with me.]
September 25th, 2022 at 4:29 PM ^
"Harbaugh reinserted himself" makes it sound so ... dirty.
September 25th, 2022 at 4:39 PM ^
Jim's got like 7 kids, so I am sure it happens.
September 25th, 2022 at 4:58 PM ^
Penix
hehe
September 25th, 2022 at 5:34 PM ^
I’ll see your Penix and raise you an Orji.
September 25th, 2022 at 5:43 PM ^
Please don't make me start to regret RGIII.
September 25th, 2022 at 7:59 PM ^
Yeah. It would be a lot cleaner if he inserted himself. The reinsertion is next level filth.
September 25th, 2022 at 9:36 PM ^
Well supposedly Gattis reinserted himself into at least one recruit’s mom…
September 26th, 2022 at 1:27 PM ^
Supposedly is perhaps the operative word. Please let this go!
September 26th, 2022 at 7:46 AM ^
oh it was dirty.....
September 25th, 2022 at 4:45 PM ^
Gattis was always an experiment. Prior to Michigan he had other great OC minds around him. At Michigan we don’t know. The first couple of years he was clearly learning.
September 25th, 2022 at 5:00 PM ^
Gattis has Jim to thank for his awards and move to Miami. Jim took no hesitancy in giving Gattis pretty much all the credit for the offense. I believe in reality, while not a perfect offensive coach who has some stubborn tendencies at times, Jim ultimately knows how to move the ball on offense and set his teams up for success, he just has a deeper pool of weapons now than he has had in the past overall. I’m sure the Gattis experience helped Jim re-asses his own approach to offense, but ultimately Jim doesn’t need him, but is happy to help the guy along in his career options and getting him some hardware.
September 25th, 2022 at 9:39 PM ^
Does he re-insert or does he re-ass? Perhaps both?
September 27th, 2022 at 9:24 PM ^
lol, my bad
September 25th, 2022 at 5:11 PM ^
I think it's as simple as getting butthurt that he wasn't mentioned or considered as a potential HC. He likely thought JH was more than 50-50 to leave and thought, fuckit, they don't want me, I"m gone then.
Not a huge loss to date of course
September 25th, 2022 at 6:00 PM ^
What? He was one of the main possible candidates talked about. I never heard anyone in the local sports media claim he wouldn't get serious consideration.
I've heard that he wanted to get paid at least as much as Macdonald. He thought the Broyles award should come with a large raise.
September 25th, 2022 at 6:16 PM ^
People talking about something on the radio makes reality now?
I'm guessing no one in administration gave him the time of day.
September 25th, 2022 at 6:21 PM ^
Pretty sure the "insider" scuttlebutt and pay board knowledge is where MA is coming from. I can't speak to local sports media, I don't really consume much and don't live in the market.
But yeah, at the point where they thought that Jim was leaving, Gattis figured he would be in consideration, if not a front runner. He wasn't. And at that point he saw that his future at Michigan was limited.
September 25th, 2022 at 8:39 PM ^
Balas is adamant that Gattis knew he was not a candidate (and that is why he was mad and left)...and that is also when the rumors about Gattis and the recruits moms popped up and the general consensus was that Warde knew about these "things" and he wasn't going fire the guy, but he was never going to promote him either.
Who knows.
It's plausible that Gattis had skeletons, like many coaches and assistant coaches (Frost has a bunch coming out now)...Manuel knew about them, and was fine with him as an OC, but understood the risk behind making a guy with those skeletons at head coach.
September 25th, 2022 at 7:29 PM ^
He probably could have eventually gotten a head coaching gig somewhere if he stuck around, but he decided he'd rather go roll around in poop down there in Miami.
Whatever. Weiss and Moore are pretty cool.
September 25th, 2022 at 7:34 PM ^
If he ever wanted to be fully forthcoming, I’m sure Harbaugh could write a great book. I’d love to read about what was really going on behind the scenes during the 49er years when, after three straight NFC Championship Game appearances and a Super Bowl, Jed York chose to undermine him and the team’s chances by leaking negative information to the press, all because he wanted to make it look like he was justified in firing the only successful coach they’d had since Walsh and Seifert. I’m sure the 2020 off season would be very interesting as well, when half the fan base wanted to run him out of town and the university forced him to take a humiliating pay cut.
September 26th, 2022 at 7:48 AM ^
This would be great reading.... but this doesn't sound like something JH would do..... maybe when he retires, J.U. Bacon can convince him otherwise, but I don't see it.
September 26th, 2022 at 8:25 AM ^
John U. Bacon sometimes tells very good half stories with no feedback from the other side (by their own choice-the nerve). As a result you have the continuing character assassination of a previously thought good and loyal man after allegedly recommending his successor and then for no reason whatsoever undermined him...the end!
September 26th, 2022 at 9:19 AM ^
"I won't claim to know which plays were called by Harbaugh vs Gattis - this board LOVED to attribute unproductive rushes to Harbaugh and productive passes to Gattis"
Running isn't bad. Power running isn't bad. Minnesota played their run game beautifully against MSU. Too many people think it is though. The way some people I speak to talk I wonder if they get offended every time we recruit a running back.
Michigan has had boneheaded runs, but not when Harbaugh seemed more involved. When he was part of the offensive triumvirate when they first came here the running game was effective and complex with Devon Smith. When Pep and Gattis got involved we had more boneheaded runs and it was more predictable. Then when first Warriner, then later Moore and (we think?) Harbaugh got more involved last year it got better.
September 26th, 2022 at 9:41 AM ^
I won’t pretend to know what exactly happened, but I also don’t think it’s as simple as “Harbaugh inserted himself back into the offense.” While the offense started to take more of a Harbaugh identity as the season moved along, let’s simply take him out of the equation for a moment.
Before the season even began, Sherrone Moore was promoted to co-OC. Now again, I don’t know exactly what his role was in that capacity but it’s pretty certain he took on at least a small portion of Gattis’ previous responsibility. Harbaugh also brought in Matt Weiss to coach the QBs. Weiss has an extensive background in analytics, so it’s a pretty safe assumption that those were used as a critical component in gameplanning and situational playcalling.
Whether Harbaugh was directly involved in the offense or not, it’s clear he took a lot of responsibility off of Gattis’ plate last season. Enough responsibility that Harbaugh felt confident enough in those two coaches (in addition to whatever his own contributions were/are) to let Gattis walk without much of an attempt to keep him.
September 26th, 2022 at 3:20 PM ^
Never bought the Gattis hype. It was funny to see RPO become the stuff of legend though as every week people were hopefully looking for it.
edit: I take that back I sort of bought in at the end of last season, (prior to Georgia) I had love to spare for everybody at that point.
September 25th, 2022 at 4:16 PM ^
Wait, what? He was not our offensive mastermind? Huh.
September 25th, 2022 at 4:17 PM ^
So glad Gattis walked. Wasn’t even the best coordinator on his own fucking team.
September 25th, 2022 at 7:21 PM ^
The best coordinator would be Jaybaugh, right?
September 26th, 2022 at 7:48 AM ^
not yet, but probably someday
September 26th, 2022 at 9:44 AM ^
Special Teams Coordinator of the #1 special teams unit in the country last year
September 25th, 2022 at 4:19 PM ^
I guess they should have hired Mike Locksley.
September 25th, 2022 at 6:34 PM ^
This does kind of answer the debate about who was the mastermind behind the Alabama offense that year when Locksley was the OC and Gattis the assistant TO the OC. Locksley's offense at Maryland is pretty potent. And Gattis' at Michigan left something to be desired and at Miami, eh, not so good.
September 25th, 2022 at 8:49 PM ^
Locksley’s ability to draw up plays is unquestioned. I am not so certain that his regime does much to *develop* players.
September 25th, 2022 at 4:22 PM ^
Has he banged the mothers of any recruits yet?
September 25th, 2022 at 5:00 PM ^
You leave Scott Frost and Urban Meyer out of this!
September 25th, 2022 at 5:29 PM ^
Its not that that drives recruits away. Its being 100% honest about potentially coaching in the pros and then it not happening. That will kill recruiting for years.
-Coach K and Izzo
September 25th, 2022 at 4:25 PM ^
Well, this can't help matters any:
September 25th, 2022 at 5:02 PM ^
The play was designed to sow confusion and it worked to a "T"!
September 25th, 2022 at 5:08 PM ^
Gattis addressing the offense prior to this series:
September 25th, 2022 at 5:03 PM ^
That play is hilarious. The runner commits an offensive face mask and still gets tossed with authority! Love it
September 25th, 2022 at 7:13 PM ^
Speed in space 🤦♂️
September 26th, 2022 at 2:42 AM ^
Speed in less-Space
September 25th, 2022 at 4:26 PM ^
Can he bring in Shea Patterson as an assistant coach? For the golf team?
September 25th, 2022 at 4:28 PM ^
Love the hypocrisy.
So according to the average mGoPoster:
- In 2020, he was the worst OC and doesn't know how to use players.
- In 2021, he was the greatest OC and the heir apparent to Harbaugh.
- In spring 2022, he's trash and everyone's glad he walked.
- Now, everyone's asking like they were never riding his jock in 2021
Sometimes people aren't the greatest when they're in Maize n Blue, and terrible when they're out of it.
Sometimes people are just average, and you're doing mental gymnastics to justify your biased view.
And sometimes, you have Hassan Haskins to make you look great.
September 25th, 2022 at 4:32 PM ^
Or maybe the average MGoPoster isn't actually a person but a composite of several people, none of whom actually held all of those positions that you assign to them at a given time.
September 25th, 2022 at 4:37 PM ^
A thousand times this ^^^
September 25th, 2022 at 5:33 PM ^
well, yeah, that’s what “average poster,” you know, MEANS.
if you think there wasn’t a significant chunk of this community that weren’t losing their minds about gattis in 2020, then bitching about him leaving this past offseason, you havent been paying attention.
September 25th, 2022 at 5:48 PM ^
A lot of people didn’t like Gattis in 2020, that part is true. But only a handful of loud people really were upset about him leaving last winter. The great majority were just “eh whatever” about it - if not “good riddance.”