Durham Blue

December 11th, 2020 at 11:07 PM ^

That's where OSU is different.  They can have 4 and 5 star guys sitting the bench and there is rarely a whiff of a transfer.  Our 4 star guys that sit on the bench tend to go elsewhere.  We don't get enough 5 star guys to have the luxury of a judgement there.

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Ajcoss

December 11th, 2020 at 10:19 PM ^

Yes. Find a way who can out coach their recruiting class. Momentum is a hardcore drug. People wanna go a place that wins, is fun, and is competing at the highest level. Playing on Championship Saturday and going to CFP. Kids would look at us different if we didn’t lose to MSU, get blown out by Wisc/PSU, never beat OSU, and never win bowl games. Outcomes have consequences. Coaching/culture gets better, things can flip for us to be relevant again. 

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tomharmon2

December 12th, 2020 at 10:21 AM ^

Bullshi-t!

we are still a formidable program...  we need to humble ourselves and realize Harbaugh is NOT the answer...  we need to recruit better, then show recruits we can develop them into pros.   9-3 is mediocre, and WE ARE NOT mediocre...  get Harbaugh out of here- and get a charismatic coach that can recruit coaches and kids...

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uminks

December 11th, 2020 at 10:20 PM ^

All because of the faulty 4 team playoff system. OSU, Alabama and Clemson will get the top talent and nobody will have a chance to compete with them. LSU/ND/OU are all trying to lock down that 4th spot and if one of these teams do we will see a non-stop boring playoffs with the above teams always in the playoffs.

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LabattBlue

December 11th, 2020 at 10:52 PM ^

Not that unreal.

2020 class had 2 5* WRs, 2 4* WRs, 2 4* DTs. Didn't need to even use them.

2021 class has 5* DE, OG, RB, QB, WR, & 2 more 4* WRs.

2022 class commits sick already.

Football factory that will dominate from now on.

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wolve1972

December 11th, 2020 at 11:54 PM ^

I agree 100%. Those teams will still be damn good but give others a chance.  Right now there are 3 or 4 teams that dominate their conferences and that's where everything starts - then on to the playoffs.  Maybe take the 5 (P5) conference champs and 3 at large.  They sure need to do something though. Tired of watching the same teams every year.

I'm 70 now and just once - before I die - I'd like to beat OSU one more time.  I don't think that's too damn much to ask.  God I miss the Bo days.

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Blastardz

December 11th, 2020 at 11:10 PM ^

Us getting out of The Game this year is going to fuck us for a very very very long time.  I know damn well we didnt play simply because we and the CFB world knows we are not prepared.  Look how we handled all of our competition up to this point. Osu is by far the best we could have faced this year. A hard back shed whoopin may have gotten us rid of Harbaugh AND, maybe, just maybe gotten us a slight flurry of sympathy 5* talent that want to battle the evil empire.  We would have went down big big bad Saturday and the humiliation would have forced change across the entire program, or cost jobs.

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kurpit

December 12th, 2020 at 10:26 AM ^

sympathy 5* talent 

Ooooh yeah... All those blue chip players that are eager to pass up an opportunity to play at a title contender in favor of Michigan in an attempt to overthrow a college football juggernaut were just waiting to watch us get out asses kicked one more time before committing to us. What the fuck are you talking about? You really think recruits were gonna watch us get shredded and that would be encouraging? Sick mental gymnastics, bro.

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Vernors

December 11th, 2020 at 11:42 PM ^

I know this is a kids game played by kids in their teens, so I don’t let it dominate my life and make me miserable, but fuck. Yeah, I care, and the half of the fan base that throws their hands up to say, “oh well,” makes me sick. 

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User -not THAT user

December 12th, 2020 at 10:22 AM ^

The “serenity prayer” is helpful; if you’re not into the whole faith-based thing, understanding your place in the universe works equally well.

I mean, so much of fandom is getting overwrought, positively and negatively, over things of which you have zero control.  We each need to find out own “breaking point” where we achieve the clarity to understand that reality so that we don’t let shit like this take over more of our lives than it needs to.

For me it was probably the App State game in 2007.

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MFun

December 12th, 2020 at 1:32 AM ^

Guys. Seriously. Just get with the program. 

It's average at best for most of the last 20 years and into the next few as far as we know. 

Doesn't mean we don't push for more but don't expect much. 

The only way to really change it is if donors and people buying merch just stop doing it. 

Don't buy suites. Don't support poorly run programs. 

I know there will be blind followers. I have been one for most of 40 years. 

But only way they take notice is if we stop sending them money. 

And yes, if they want to fill that stadium again they need to decide if they want to compete at the highest level or just turn Ivy. Just decide already. Seems to me that is where the University is at this point. OSU or Northwestern. Compete for B10 championships every year or every 10 years but stop leading the fans into thinking this is a top level program unless you are going to go all in. And clearly paying silly money to the head coach doesn't amount to much. 0-15 as an underdog. Nothing more to say. That is embarrassing. 

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tomharmon2

December 12th, 2020 at 10:29 AM ^

Interesting you mention Northwestern— academically on par, or even better than Michigan, yet they find a way to be competitive- pretty much year in, year out...  and they are doing it with much less talented kids.

The difference:  Culture.   And Pat Fitzgerald v. Jim Harbaugh

...nuff said!

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Jimmyisgod

December 12th, 2020 at 10:48 AM ^

I think it’s obvious Michigan can’t recruit with Bama and OSU right now. So we should be going with the development of players model rather than the processing model we have. Wisconsin, NW, and when MSU was good did it by keeping guys In their system for 4 of 5 years.  Harbaugh has processed more guys than OSU has, guys that we could have used as 4th and 5th year players.  The difference is we don’t have the next Top 100 player at every position to step in. When we process good players, we end up with walk ons or 3 stars, or even very low 4 stars who just aren’t that talented.  

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Northville

December 12th, 2020 at 11:01 AM ^

They’re in a completely different galaxy at this point. Indiana is now closer. And fielding nothing close to UM’s raw talent. Amazing what a coach can do. Or can’t do.

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