5* and #1 Overall WR commits to OSU
Unreal that they are recruited at a higher level WITHOUT Urban.
https://twitter.com/stephen_means/status/1337564922553700353?s=21
December 12th, 2020 at 8:22 AM ^
I think the CFP ruined it a bit in hindsight. When you had to go undefeated, no one was safe. Your talent advantage mattered, but you weren't invincible. In fact expending the playoff to 6 or 8 likely solidifies the position of Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State even more as they will probably make the playoff every single year
December 12th, 2020 at 10:39 AM ^
Alabama and Clemson have both made 5/6. I suppose expanding the playoffs could mean an even high chance they make it, but something needs to change and it seems worth the risk.
Get rid of the conference championship games (one less chance for top end teams to monopolize important TV games) and expand the playoffs. Give NW, Cincy and Coastal Carolina a chance to be seen alongside Alabama and Clemson. Maybe this is enough to divert a few kids away from Clemson and Alabama, which weakens them slightly and improves chances of breaking their stranglehold which, in turn, improves the chances of better distribution of talent.
Or reduce number of scholarships significantly and put rules in place to avoid "processing kids out). Alabama and Clemson still get top end talent by whatever means they are currently doing so, but are at a much higher risk of having off years because they missed on some evaluations. Arguably, this becomes closer to the student athlete model - ie a greater percentage or non-scholarship players.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:15 PM ^
Yes, the NFL learned long ago that parity is good for the sport overall. By having a system in place where only a couple of teams have any shot of making the playoffs, the interest from the rest of the country will soon start to wane.
December 11th, 2020 at 10:05 PM ^
I think my interest level is lower than 2014. Which is rough to say.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:07 AM ^
Yeah, honestly I never used to be an NFL guy. I didn't get the interest in it because it misses all the hype and energy of college football fandom, rivalries, bands, etc. but I'm finding it more and more interesting now. The parity is nice. Even teams that are great like the Chiefs, only have nominally better rosters than the rest of the league. It makes almost every game competitive
December 11th, 2020 at 10:14 PM ^
Agree. The overall "user experience" will go south if 3 out of 4 finalists are pretty much locks every year (and the 4th is usually one of OU, GA, or ND). Monopolies need to be broken up. You maybe start addressing this by limiting scholarships a bit more.
December 12th, 2020 at 10:50 AM ^
Fyi. OU has made 4 playoffs to OSUs 3. Historically, it is really Alabama/Clemson 1&2 and OU/OSU 3a/3b. To your point, recent recruiting would suggest OSU would become 3 alone.
December 11th, 2020 at 10:31 PM ^
The same 3 teams in the playoffs... it makes it very boring.
December 12th, 2020 at 1:56 AM ^
Expanding the playoff field to at least 8 will help. People are going to start tuning out when it's the same 4 or 5 teams every single year.
December 11th, 2020 at 8:47 PM ^
Old news OP, Julian Fleming committed last year.
December 11th, 2020 at 8:49 PM ^
Go ahead and stockpile that talent, OSU. I’m not phased by your obscene levels of recruiting anymore.
Why?
Because there is literally nothing any of your players can do, now or in or future, that hasn’t already been done to Michigan countless times over in the last 20 years.
December 11th, 2020 at 8:53 PM ^
Wait I thought Day is overrated? Strange
December 11th, 2020 at 8:56 PM ^
Day sucks.
December 11th, 2020 at 8:57 PM ^
Idk why OSU even hired him. No head coaching experience.
You gotta have years of successful HC experience at multiple levels before you can be a coach at a big time school.
Any deviation from this will lead to a horrible hire.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:46 PM ^
It’s a bit different when you can hire within to maintain the machine that’s already in place. Hell, you can even make tweaks to improve it.
But hiring outside the program and getting a guy with no experience is a major risk with little upside.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:49 PM ^
We need to find someone that's won the NFC a few times and coached in the Super Bowl. We might have to pay him an obscene amount of money. Maybe around $8 million / year.
December 12th, 2020 at 12:15 AM ^
....and he better be a well known football player from our school, otherwise he will be considered a fucking outsider, and WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!
December 11th, 2020 at 8:58 PM ^
Urban is gone not the duffle bags full of cash or the easy road to the CFP.
December 11th, 2020 at 8:58 PM ^
FUCK YOU!!!!!!
December 11th, 2020 at 8:59 PM ^
We need someone to hire Hartline as a coordinator. Or perhaps he would have interest in an NFL job given his pedigree?
December 11th, 2020 at 9:03 PM ^
From what I heard he's a lifer at O$U. Money is no issue because of the money he made in the NFL.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:21 PM ^
Well you don’t get to where he has gotten without being competitive and ambitious so I will hold out hope that the right offer could sway him.
December 11th, 2020 at 8:59 PM ^
Serious question. When’s the next time we beat them?
December 11th, 2020 at 10:14 PM ^
Soon if things go well in the few weeks. The culture needs to change within our program, once this happens this will be a place kids want to come. We can get there with 5-15 rated recruiting classes, but need to have them buy in and get coached up. Finding a QB would help.
Last really good coach this program has had is Moeller. Lloyd and Harbaugh (early) were good but nothing “really good”. I think Campbell is our difference maker (Will take a couple years)to get us to that next level.
December 12th, 2020 at 12:58 AM ^
Keep dreaming.
December 12th, 2020 at 11:55 AM ^
Carr's first several years you guys were developing players like an assembly line! Did he have a major change of assistants along the way?
December 11th, 2020 at 10:46 PM ^
When I am back to wearing diapers again.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:01 PM ^
Well Brian Hartline helps as WR coach. Pretty successful NFL career as a WR. Kids know who is. Probably the best recruiter in the nation. Anyone know who our WR coach is?
December 11th, 2020 at 9:11 PM ^
I was reading that he still has excellent WR skills himself and can actually show kids how its done in the NFL which they love. He's only 34 and they relate to him extremely well. He's simply the "do as I do" type and not the "do as I say" only
December 11th, 2020 at 9:15 PM ^
I agree. I think all there WR's say he's the main reason why they went there
December 11th, 2020 at 9:20 PM ^
I believe it's Hugh G Rexshun
December 11th, 2020 at 9:02 PM ^
Another nail in our coffin ...
December 12th, 2020 at 2:03 AM ^
Hold on There! We've got Xavier Worthy! oh, wait, crap.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:06 PM ^
If you want to be great who do you surround yourself with? You surround yourself with great people and that same logic applies to athletes. The more talent they have around them the better they are going to look. Assuming of course they are as good as their rating implies. Add to it those teams seem to get every bit of talent out of their top recruits.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:06 PM ^
Young man made a smart decision. Good luck to him.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:12 PM ^
Is this really thread-worthy? Who cares. It’s not changing in the next 5 years. So f-ing deal with it. OSU is better. There ..... Captain Obvious stated it.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:14 PM ^
OSU has been dominating the Big Ten for over a decade. I don’t know why anyone is surprise. They’re 72-5 in the big ten in the last eight years. We need to stop comparing ourselves to them they are on another level.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:14 PM ^
Who fucking cares?
December 11th, 2020 at 9:18 PM ^
I care. I want to f&cking win. We keep touting our academic standards as the best. Great, let's join the Ivy League. Perhaps we could win a tittle there once every ten years.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:57 PM ^
We had the 5*, #1 overall WR a few years ago and we won... nothing.
December 11th, 2020 at 11:02 PM ^
Yes we did. But if you look at the 22 positions on offense and defense I am willing to bet that OSU's starter at each position is higher rated than the starter at those positions on all other B1G teams. There may be a few exceptions but in those "few" the OSU starter is probably not that much lower.
OSU's recruiting since Urban Meyer took over has been off the friggin charts. And unbelievably it's getting better under Ryan Day.
December 11th, 2020 at 11:09 PM ^
I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that, based on track records, OSU’s staff is going to do a better job coaching and utilizing their #1 WR recruit than UM did.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:17 PM ^
They got Julian Fleming last year and he has 3 catches for 18 yards for the entire season. Now I know freshman receiver suck and all, but their best receiver has been Olave. Who I believe was ranked in the 300s.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:21 PM ^
Actually think Garrett has outperformed Olave slightly. Garrett, another 5 star. Yes, star ratings actually matter.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:38 PM ^
They mentioned on TV that OSU was recruiting a higher rated recruit at Olave's high school (maybe the QB Tuttle - Indy ?) and Olave just stuck out. Yes, he was only a 3 star but they were able to identify a diamond in the rough, Sure is paying off now as that kid is scary good and I saw one of the early NFL draft predictions had Olave, OL Davis, QB Fields, Safety Wade all going in the 1st round in the 2021 NFL draft
December 11th, 2020 at 10:57 PM ^
You are missing the point. Olave can succeed but they don't NEED him to succeed. Whoever can emerge from this fucking insane stable is going to be amazing. Depth and competition are important.
December 12th, 2020 at 6:31 PM ^
Actually, by a very slim margin, Ohio State’s best WR this year is probably true sophomore Garrett Wilson (5*; #2 WR; #20 overall). Chris Olave is the more polished route runner right now, but Wilson’s ceiling is super high.
They are both averaging 100+ receiving yards and a TD a game, so really the difference is negligible.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:19 PM ^
We will get a 3 star kid out of the New England area. That will show them.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:23 PM ^
Well, maybe we can get their transfer WRs that don't make the cut. They can only play so many WRs at once.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:28 PM ^
Try telling that to Alabama.