1st CFP Rankings: (1) Georgia; (2) Alabama; (3) Notre Dame; (4) Clemson
CFP Rankings
- Georgia
- Alabama
- Notre Dame
- Clemson
- Oklahoma
- Ohio State
- Penn State
- TCU
- Wisconsin
- Miami
- Oklahoma State
- Washington
- Virginia Tech
- Auburn
- Iowa State
- Mississippi State
- USC
- UCF
- LSU
- NC State
- Stanford
- Arizona
- Memphis
- Michigan State
- Washington State
October 31st, 2017 at 7:25 PM ^
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October 31st, 2017 at 7:53 PM ^
Agree or disagree but it's been very obvious the committee cares more about who you beat than who you lost to. So many people still don't seem to see that.
October 31st, 2017 at 8:03 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 8:11 PM ^
If Michigan had beaten absolutely anyone at all of note, who they lost to would matter. But they have nothing close to anything approximating a quality win. And Minnesota and Maryland aren't going to help out in that regard either.
So don't be surprised if they are unranked next week as well.
October 31st, 2017 at 9:06 PM ^
November 1st, 2017 at 5:49 PM ^
That win by WSU is still far better than any win we have, regardless of how overrated you think USC is. Navy is still a better win than we have. Louisville is a better win than we have.
Every single team we have beaten has a losing record. Not even a .500 record! At least Standford has beaten three teams with a 500 record: ASU, UCLA, and Utah all of whom are better than the best team we've beaten....which is drumroll....47th ranked Purdue (per Sagarin) a team that lost to Rutgers. That is bad.
And our losses aren't even that good. Blown out by PSU and beaten at home by a meh MSU team. We have a really bad resume right now. Every team ranked 20-25 is pretty flawed and we don't have a good argument over any of them.
October 31st, 2017 at 11:14 PM ^
Or not, 8-4 and ready for next year too.
I’m a Wolverine, I’m proud and read to win w/Jim.
BA’88, JD’91
October 31st, 2017 at 11:52 PM ^
Top 5? HAHAHAHA
November 1st, 2017 at 11:45 AM ^
November 1st, 2017 at 1:18 PM ^
November 1st, 2017 at 1:32 PM ^
It's nigh impossible for Michigan to make the championship game b/c H2H hurts us against psu and msu. Win out and Michigan is 7-2. The only way Michigan makes it to the championship game is if osu, psu, and msu each lose 2 games apiece. That ain't happenin', folks.
Most realistic path (which is hardly realistic, imo): psu loses to msu and one of nebraska/maryland. osu loses to iowa and Michigan. msu loses to osu and... maryland?
The long of it:
psu would need to lose 2 games b/c they'd have H2H tiebreaker over us if we're tied, so they MUST have an additional loss. Other than msu, they play Rutgers, Nebrask, and Maryland. Chances of losing 2 are very slim, even if they somehow lose to msu.
osu would need to lose 2 more also b/c undefeated in conference. Assuming Michigan wins out, that's one loss for osu. They also have Iowa, msu, and Illinois and would need to lose to one of them, giving Michigan the H2H tiebreaker.
Let's say that msu somehow does us the favor of beating both psu and osu (I know, i could hardly type that with a straight face). They close out with Rutgers and Maryland which, yeah, they're not losing both of those.
November 1st, 2017 at 12:07 PM ^
I can't see them NOT being ranked in the CFP poll next week because:
- #24 msu will surely get pounded by psu
- one of #17 USC and #22 Arizona will lose in a H2H matchup
- one of #21 Stanford and #25 WSU will lose in a H2H matchup
- #20 NC State will probably lose to Clemson
- #19 LSU will probably lose to Alabama
With the expectation that five 6-2 teams will lose this weekend, IF Michigan wins, they are definitely in the rankings, although probably no better than #21 or 22. It's really Wisco that will move the needle (obvs osu is obvs)
EDIT: as a sidenote, the composite of all (or a whole bunch, anyway) ranking systems puts Michigan at #20 (3 polls have Michigan as high as 14 and 1 poll has Michigan at 31)
November 1st, 2017 at 5:51 PM ^
if we win, we'll be in the ranked just by virture of other teams losing.
November 1st, 2017 at 8:10 AM ^
Our best win is either over a 3-5 Rutgers or 3-5 Purdue. Michigan has 0 wins of note.
October 31st, 2017 at 8:07 PM ^
(and deservedly so) ........... but everybody else from 1-10 is basically ranked in order of the quality of their best wins.
That looks to be the formula this year. One can afford a bad loss (Clemson) if the aggregate quality wins are there.
October 31st, 2017 at 8:12 PM ^
November 1st, 2017 at 5:55 PM ^
you'd be correct that OU should be higher than Clemson. But it's full body of work and Clemson has far more good wins (which is harder to do than win one tough game), and hasn't struggled with as many bad teams as OU has (Baylor, KSU, Texas compared to just Syracuse for Clemson).
Clemson being #4 is fine.
October 31st, 2017 at 8:22 PM ^
How are Clemson's wins better than OU's and Ohio State's?
October 31st, 2017 at 8:43 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 9:22 PM ^
This is imaginary bullshit rationalization.
Oklahoma's quality win over Ohio State in Columbus actually did happen.
FFS *if*
October 31st, 2017 at 9:24 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 9:08 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 9:08 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 8:31 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 9:03 PM ^
Clemson's best wins: Auburn, VaTech, Louisville, GaTech.
Oklahoma's best wins: Ohio State, Texas...Texas Tech?
Oklahoma's best win may be better than Clemson's best win, but Clemson's 2nd, 3rd, &4th best wins are as good or better than Oklahoma's 2nd best win.
Yes, Clemson's loss is a little bit worse loss than Oklahoma's (though Clemson's was on the road in a narrow loss, OU's was at home...did they blow a 21-point lead?), but Clemson has a better portfolio of wins than OU.
October 31st, 2017 at 10:29 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 10:29 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 10:34 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 11:05 PM ^
Okay.
I'm sure you'll be happy on Nov. 25. In fact, why not begin celebrating now?
And what does any of this have to do with comparing Clemson's best wins with Oklahoma's best wins?
October 31st, 2017 at 10:46 PM ^
So - if I read this correctly - you dislike the fact OSU has owned us since the turn of the millenia. Noted.
What luck, for Ohio State to go 15-2 over the last 17 years. Surely it's not the result of skill, or of being better in some years. We've got to do better than that.
October 31st, 2017 at 11:47 PM ^
November 1st, 2017 at 3:41 PM ^
Didn't Alabama beat #3 Florida State in week 1? Where is Florida State now?
November 1st, 2017 at 3:41 PM ^
Didn't Alabama beat #3 Florida State in week 1? Where is Florida State now?
November 1st, 2017 at 3:41 PM ^
Didn't Alabama beat #3 Florida State in week 1? Where is Florida State now?
October 31st, 2017 at 9:22 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 7:45 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 7:51 PM ^
And Penn State's best win is? Us? Are we better than Auburn? Clemson has beaten a lot more decent teams than Penn State.
October 31st, 2017 at 8:20 PM ^
There is a bit of propping each other up when it comes to Ohio State and Penn State.
To answer your question though, Penn State has wins over the No. 43, 55, 71, and 26 teams in S&P+. Their lone loss is to the No. 1 team in S&P+.
Clemson has wins over No. 10, 42, 76, 15, 24, and 46 teams in S&P+. Their loss is to the No. 63 team...which isn't great.
So, you're right. Clemson does have much better wins than I thought they did. Feels like they should be lower, but maybe not.
October 31st, 2017 at 11:44 PM ^
PSU's best win is against us... and MSU's best win is against us.
I give up trying to comprehend the overall system.
October 31st, 2017 at 9:20 PM ^
November 1st, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^
Because unless it's Michigan, I kinda don't care except I don't want Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan State, or Penn State to get in at all.
If any of them they get hosed by a 1 loss Clemson team, I'd seriously be happy.
October 31st, 2017 at 7:27 PM ^
I would be really happy with watching this playoff.
My hopes for the rest of the year are: Michigan gets to 10 wins, both OSU and PSU miss playoffs, Notre Dame makes playoff (leaving everyone on their team with an NFL decision satisfied with their college career) but gets crushed in round 1. Everything else is gravy.
October 31st, 2017 at 8:28 PM ^
Solid, well reasoned answer.
October 31st, 2017 at 9:03 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 9:31 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 7:27 PM ^
give credit to brian kelly. About as fast a turnaround from 4-8 as you could ask for.
October 31st, 2017 at 7:29 PM ^
October 31st, 2017 at 10:07 PM ^