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Brian September 6th, 2022 at 11:46 AM

9/3/2022 – Michigan 51, Colorado State 7 – 1-0

There's no real way around it, folks: the main talking point coming out a shellacking of a very bad team is who did what at quarterback. I extend a grumble towards the AP for framing a not quite generic enough press conference answer from Cade McNamara like so:

McNamara unhappy after No. 8 Michigan beats Colorado St 51-7

One grumble, extended.

But also I, like everyone else, was extending grumbles when Michigan's offense did not seem like a well-oiled death machine. Instead it was more or less last year: hiccups, moving the ball between the twenties, red zone difficulties. This is not my beautiful house. McNamara started out the season by not doing the things he's supposed to do better than his competition, like complete basic passes to move the sticks.

Three of his throws on the first couple drives were inaccurate. Maybe more alarming is that McNamara did not attempt anything down the field. We're not talking bombs. A seam, a post, a dig, a deep out: these did not happen. This was in part because CSU is running some DJ Durkin stuff with a safety playing in the parking lot, but this was an audition. You don't get the part by mumbling in the background.

Similarly, if McNamara's going to stay in front because he's reading things better that did not show up either. The throw to Erick All that was nearly intercepted probably would have been complete if All hadn't stumbled, but that was a TE angle on third and ten that's getting tackled short of the sticks unless All does something heroic. Meanwhile Roman Wilson is going to be wide open on a corner route to the field:

That play even looks like it's supposed to be ooh shiny for that cornerback to the bottom as he gets Donovan Edwards motioning to him, but McNamara made a pre-snap decision to look left and take a six yard pass on third and ten.

Turn a 61-yard screen pass into a more typical 8-yard one and McNamara averaged 4.6 yards an attempt while completing half his passes. One Bell drop aside this could not be placed on his receiving corps. The operative theory for how McNamara stays in front of the other guy with the cannon arm and Corum speed is that he is a relentless metronome of efficiency. If he's not, it's JJ McCarthy's job to lose.

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McCarthy did nothing to lose it during his second half cameo. It was remarkable how much easier everything suddenly felt. One power play with two DL charging at McCarthy and one wide open arc read keeper, touchdown. The entire stadium goes "hmm," except for the various McCarthy Yahoos in the stands who have been calling for him since McNamara's first incompletion. They are looking around, big-boned and fey, daring anyone to dispute their righteous quest to bench the starter.

Kick a successful McCarthy-era RB run and you'll find a Ram looking up McCarthy well after that is a reasonable thing to do. McCarthy didn't tear it up in the air. He did calmly hit a seven yard out to the field on third and five. He looked calm and collected and generally on par with McNamara when it came to the metronome stuff.

The days here are so early that we can't say much of anything for sure, but if they're at all close when it comes to the basics it's going to be impossible to keep McCarthy off the field.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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CONSUME [Patrick Barron]

you're the man now, dog-2535ac8789d1b499[1]

#1 Mazi Smith. Michigan went out of its way to make this section impossible to determine via box score alone. Seven sacks split between ten players; eighteen catches split between fifteen receivers. The defense rotated incessantly, and the starting QB was kind of meh.

I'm pretty sure Smith is going to come out with a big UFR score, though, because he was crushing back whoever he faced. He picked up 1.5 TFLs and half a sack, and three solo tackles is a meaningful stat for a nose. On a third and six in the second half when Michigan sent an exotic blitz, Smith was tasked with holding an edge and two CSU OL, clearly terrified of him, stuck with him the whole play.

So far so good for massive projections.

#2 Blake Corum. Got more than two offensive touches and hurdled a fool so here he is.

#3 Junior Colson. Also a beneficiary of actually getting a bunch of time. Ten tackles, many of them at or near the line of scrimmage, and as of yet no moments that pop out as him running fast in the incorrect direction.

Honorable mention: uhhhhh… Braiden McGregor, Eyabi Anoma, Derrick Moore and Jaylen Harrell all took turns turning in eye-opening edge rushes that may or may not mean anything. Rod Moore caught the ball thrown at him, very nice. Ronnie Bell had a nice catch and was the key block on the Roman Wilson TD; meanwhile Wilson is fast.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

8: Mazi Smith (#1 CSU)
5: Blake Corum (#2 CSU)
3: Junior Colson (#3 CSU)
1: Braiden McGregor (HM CSU), Eyabi Anoma (HM CSU), Derrick Moore (HM CSU), Jaylen Harrell (HM CSU), Rod Moore (HM CSU), Ronnie Bell (HM CSU), Roman Wilson (HM CSU)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

JJ McCarthy enters and immediately crumples the CSU run defense, first by drawing two guys when he's a decoy and then by scoring an easy TD on an arc read. Hits different.

Honorable mention: Any of seven different sacks. McGregor flushes the QB up in the pocket and Rod Moore takes advantage. Ronnie Bell's first catch matches up with a fortuitously timed review to allow Michigan Stadium time to offer their appreciation.

image​MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

McNamara throws behind a Cornelius Johnson drag route with a good shot at a touchdown and Michigan ends up kicking a field goal, giving off vibes that McNamara is pretty much what he was last year.

Honorable mention: Various commercial breaks. Erick All stumbles and CSU nearly gets a pick. Will Johnson gets beat on a fly route for the CSU TD.

[After THE JUMP: edges out the ears?]

OFFENSE

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[Barron]

On the running quarterback. There's been some discussion on the wonkier parts of Michigan football twitter about whether a quarterback who runs a lot is even a thing anymore, really. It's true that there's been a shift away from the Tebow/Denard types who are runners first and foremost. OSU has gone from a team with run-first QBs to pass-first QBs to guys who are almost entirely pocket passers. CJ Stroud rushed for –20 yards last year.

But if you've got the guy who can throw and he also brings another element that is a major boost to even the most talented offense. OSU didn't have to run Justin Fields but he ended up with ~500 yards on 60 non-sack carries during his final, abbreviated year in Columbus. Adding 8.3 YPC on 7-8 carries a game is a significant chunk of efficiency in and of itself without even considering the impact that 11 v 11 run game has on the rest of your offense's efficiency.

A 2011-era QB with rudimentary passing ability isn't going to get it done a decade later, but if you've got the guy who gives you both it remains a huge advantage.

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mountain goat [Patrick Barron]

Welcome back. Ronnie Bell caught a pass, sure. The above was the most Ronnie Bell thing executed on Saturday. Putting his guy in the sideline was the difference between the touchdown Roman Wilson collected and a nice gain of 10-15 yards. One lost step for Wilson is all CSU would have needed to close down the angle.

Very odd portion of the game. Michigan's grinding all-runs touchdown drive was made possible in part because CSU was reacting to McNamara like he was McCarthy. The easy Corum chunk to set up first and goal saw a DE fly way upfield of the split zone blocker and a linebacker hold outside in case the QB survived the DE:

topmost CSU DE and LB

A version of this happened on the previous two plays for reasons that are obscure. This is also unhelpful to McNamara because the chunk of the game where Michigan ran the best with him on the field was also a demonstration of how a QB you have to account for opens things up. Even if the guy you have to account for wasn't on the field.

Bumps. The offensive line did not perform up to expectations, in part because Ryan Hayes was held out. (Harbaugh said that he would be back for Hawaii.) That saw Karsen Barnhart enter at left tackle, and then a few snaps where Gio El-Hadi played guard and Keegan kicked out to left tackle when Barnhart was dinged. That'll hamper your performance. Barnhart is out again next week:

On how Karsen Barnhart is doing after leaving the Colorado State game injured:

He's got a sprained ankle. And yeah, probably not gonna be available this week. But he played really good.

As always with OL you really have to wait until UFR to make any definitive pronouncements. Trente Jones had an up and down day. On the one hand, he is apparently able to pull from right tackle.

On the other he got torched on two pass rushes, giving up a clothesline sack on McNamara. After Jon Runyan Jr I never make any OL proclamations until the player in question has retired from football. We'll see how it develops.

Short yardage back: unknown. Michigan's only short yardage play of the day was a fourth-and-one tempo sneak, so your guess is as good as mine. We did see the Cat Orji a couple times; Orji got stuffed on second and five and then scored Michigan's last touchdown. That might be your answer if Mullings is needed on defense and they apparently don't rate Dunlap.

Could work, especially if JJ gets the job and the Cat Orji is just a bunch of stuff Michigan is already repping a bunch.

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[Barron]

Ok but not like that. "Donovan Edwards should try to make guys miss" was our offseason TL;DR on him, and yes he should. Just not on third and five when he has picked up five yards. That's how you pick up four yards on third and five.

RPS enjoyment. I liked this variation on arc read:

Instead of trying to block a guy you run a route and the guy blocks himself. Not something new, but it certainly seems like the McCarthy run package has a significant amount of depth.

DEFENSE

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graaargble bargle [Barron]

Too good to be true? The bulk of the offseason fretting was about whether Michigan would get any pressure. It would have been a real bad sign if Colorado State's QB was permitted to sit in the pocket and survey; instead he was under siege to the tune of seven sacks and plenty more hits.

Some of the pressure is stuff we anticipated preseason. Mazi Smith crushed guys backwards, and Jesse Minter dialed up some unusual blitzes. That was within the realm of expectation. Four different weakside ends turning in +2 UFR pass rushes—and Braiden McGregor getting three—was not. I think I'm in pump-the-brakes mode, though. When seemingly everyone Michigan runs out at WDE is knocking CSU tackles over like they're weeble-wobbles that might say more about the opposition than Michigan's edge guys. Should Jaylen Harrell be knocking over a 325 pound guy with one arm?

That guy is big and experienced, but last year he was a guard for FIU. Since Harrell hasn't even flashed something like that before I'm reserving judgment… possibly for a month.

FWIW, Harrell did get around the left tackle (a redshirt sophomore in his first start, so who knows) reasonably quickly a couple times. Possible he's made a leap.

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git em [Bryan Fuller]

All that said. That performance does alter expectations. McGregor's INT-forcing flush was opposite Taylor Upshaw, who the season preview noted was a guy who gets around at nine or ten. McGregor gets around at eight:

both DEs

McGregor's successful rip-through lets him bend around the corner and that's a forced fumble a decent chunk of the time. Later he came back with a rip inside:

Bad RT and all that but prioritize vibes: that looks like something that's going to work on much better OL. McGregor rips the arms down and swims through that guy in a flash.

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somehow this is a freshman [Bryan Fuller]

We knew they were listing Derrick Moore at 279 but seeing him in person is remarkable. To say he doesn't look like a freshman doesn't quite cover it. He is in the Taco Charlton first-off-the-bus mode. And he flashed more than just the speed rush that was purportedly his only move; his best rush in this game was a speed-to-power moment where he flung the LT backwards and won inside.

Anoma looked big and fast and much more impressive than the guy who was a bit player in UT-Martin's playoff games last year. Unfortunately, his sack was greatly aided by the RT having the wrong snap count. He did turn in a couple of good moments in the fourth quarter, with a rush around the corner that was close to a sack and then driving a guard into the QB's lap on the Johnson TD allowed.

Depth chart clarity. The DL rotation cleared up a lot of confusion about who's where. I'm going to stick with 4-3 nomenclature since that was the vast bulk of the deployment:

  • ANCHOR: Morris, Upshaw, Welschof
  • WDE: Harrell, Anoma OR McGregor OR Moore

I don't think we saw a passing-down package with two of the rush edges but you have to figure that's coming as soon as they have enough faith that's not going to result in massive scramble lanes.

Also helpful in sacking the QB: weird stuff. Michigan threw a lot of looks at CSU and displayed a propensity for late checks after the opposition set their protections:

CSU's QB was frequently forced to come off his first read because Michigan dropped someone unexpectedly. This is all slants and the QB has nowhere to go because Upshaw backs off into a short zone underneath the primary read:

Like the pass rush this is something we have reserve judgment on until such time as Michigan plays a reasonably competent QB. Which is Taulia Tagovailoa, I guess?

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[Barron]

File away for later. At the beginning of the second half CSU got a first down and went tempo, snapping the ball at 30 seconds. Michigan was lined up and not looking at the sideline; also they did not run a vanilla defense but had Will Johnson blitz from the boundary and Makari Paige from safety. CSU's off tackle run gained two yards.

Michigan wasn't quite lined up on the next snap, which was also tempo, but Sainristil was able to beat a block on a WR screen and get it down for a similarly minimal gain. I'll take one clear win and one sort of dubious but ok event over last year. Harbaugh on Minter:

On his first impressions of Jesse Minter:

Really good. I mean, the headsets were clean, smooth. The operations were clean, smooth in all three phases. Thought it was really good. He's a calm, cool, collected guy. And just the whole operation, signaling, communication was A-plus-plus, from what I saw

Minter's been around the block in college so hopefully we see a meaningful improvement against College Crappe.

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eep [Barron]

Welcome to college football, Will Johnson. Hotshot freshman corner Will Johnson got attacked over the top twice and got out of phase twice. On the first he was able to make a last ditch swat at the ball and contribute to an incompletion; on the second Colorado State scored their only touchdown.

Drag issues. Michigan's only consistent issue in this game was getting beat on drag routes for chunks despite playing zones that should be good against them. Moten and Sainristil appeared to get sucked out of position by other routes and gave up leverage.

SPECIAL TEAMS

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[Barron]

Guy finds role. Eamonn Dennis was a punt gunner and managed two tackles on two returnable punts against a tricky slot guy. Harbaugh said he'd be special teams player of the week, which sounds like it will be good for morale.

Specialists are specialists. Perfect impeccable gentlemen.

The Henning thing was fine. CSU touched the punt but did not down it. At that point it's a freebie for the returner. If he touches it and gets obliterated and turns the ball over it just goes back to the spot where the punting team touched it. If he picks it up and runs for a touchdown he gets a touchdown.

Mr. Rugby Guy has some hideous luck. I don't think I've ever seen three consecutive line-drive rugby punts check up immediately upon hitting the ground. That could easily have robbed CSU of 50 yards of field position. Not sure there was anything Henning could done about those hypothetical rolls, since we're eyeing him owlishly until such time as he establishes himself as a person who does the right thing on punt returns all the time.

MISCELLANEOUS

Now there's a guy with a hat. Chairs now have hat guy:

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[Barron]

I'm sure we'll find out what's the deal with this guy at some point. He's got a hat.

Polish. Michigan was hit with one penalty in this game, a holding call deep into the second half. The offense got to the line promptly. Michigan spent no timeouts on organizational issues. I compulsively check the playclock when Michigan gets a check from the sideline, and if there was a snap that even approached a delay of game I don't remember one. This was an exceptionally un-frustrating opener.

Iowa facts! A 7-3 win for the Hawkeyes but not, you know, the usual way to win 7-3:

The Big Test in week five now doesn't seem like that big of a test. Iowa has two scholarship receivers and lost Tyler Lindenbaum and Tyler Goodson. But they do have Spencer Petras back, so they've got that…

Nevermind.

HERE

Best And Worst:

Rest assured I’ll give a (moderate) amount of oxygen to the (couple) of sports talk HAWT TAKES that have emerged from this game, but I really want to remind all UM fans how they felt this time last year.  This was the vibe on this very site heading into the season, which had a hint of optimism (read the “I’ve got 2006 feelings around this team rallying with the talent”) but mostly floated around 7-8 wins and the fear that Harbaugh’s odometer was reading “irrelevant” and Michigan was along for the ride.  While Harbaugh’s tenure at UM hadn’t come close to approaching that of other fallen golden sons like, say, Scott Frost, there was still a concern that he had settled into “pretty good”, the zone UM has largely occupied for the past 30+ years.  Not really a contender for the conference title or playoff bids, though still better than all but a dozen or so college football teams.

State of our Open Threads:

As for yesterday, the thread was dominated by the "Cade" and "JJ" talk - 247 mentions to 138 mentions. Now, we know what Jim said, and of course, being astute fans, we went ahead and provided our thoughts on who should start all the same.

Various GIFs from the game featuring hell yes:

What would have happened if the twelve-team playoff was in place for the duration of the Harbaugh era

BYTCOM

BYTCOM:

It is time to enjoy football again by embracing the Northwestern Football Lifestyle: strive every year to make the Oh No We Commited to the Cartoon Ape NFT Naming Rights For Five Years in 2021 Bowl and also to make an opponents' fans extremely angry for losing to you.

Comments

Billy Chips

September 6th, 2022 at 5:14 PM ^

Exactly. A perfectly partisan response to those of us who respect what Cade has done, but also realize that a lot of what they did last year was "with" Cade and not "because" of Cade. If we want seasons to start going the way last season did more frequently, I think we need the type of QB's we win because of and not just with. 

MGoBlue96

September 6th, 2022 at 1:00 PM ^

Cade did not seem to be going through reads or progressions and was locking on to his first option. One of the things I thought he needed to get better at this offseason to hold on to his job was going through his progressions because even if you are good at presnap reads it is not always going to be there. He honestly looked like a freshmen going through progressions at times. I do think it was an off game for him and that he is better than what he showed but the math is simple, he needs to be better than JJ at decision making, read progression and accuracy to win the job. If he is not the reigns need to be turned over JJ because he simply gives the offense more in the running game 

I mean it was fine because it was Colorado State, but the receivers need to be more involved and be given the opportunity to make more chunk plays if this team wants to repeat as Big Ten champs.The receiving core is too good this year to be reduced to basically a non factor besides one screen that got turned into a big play.

mGrowOld

September 6th, 2022 at 1:03 PM ^

FWIW I watched the OSU/ND game Saturday with one of my big-time OSU alum friends.  He was mildly worked up when I got there because the hawt-taeke on the OSU message boards is that Harbaugh is just stringing Cade along long enough to keep him from hitting the portal and he's not naming  a starter yet so he doesnt lose him.  

They've villainized Harbaugh as someone stringing Cade along rather than letting him leave to a starter elsewhere.  They believe the talent gap between the two QBs is so great there can be no other explanation for this two game audition than to keep Cade from going somewhere else.

Oh, and their more than a bit worried about how their team looked Saturday, especially on offense.  Not the deathstar performance they were all expecting.

Mattinboots

September 6th, 2022 at 1:50 PM ^

For what it’s worth somebody posited this exact hawt-taeke in I believe the offense snowflakes on this here message board. In today’s day and age, it’s not unreasonable to believe that may be what’s going on. Not saying it is, but it’s definitely a possibility. 
 

edit: my “for what it’s worth” not meant to be snarky.  

1145SoFo

September 6th, 2022 at 2:58 PM ^

I get you are playing devil's advocate, but what exactly is reasonable about it? That Evil Harbaugh opened a QB competition in spring? That he didn't decide to avoid a transfer in... late August?

I can get it being viewed as playing games to keep people happy for 2023, but aren't transfers after camp / midseason super rare even with the changes this off-season?

stephenrjking

September 6th, 2022 at 3:50 PM ^

1. They aren’t rare at all. Guys pack up to transfer at the beginning of the season all the time now.

2. I have my reservations about Harbaugh’s personnel management at times, but I’ve never gotten the impression that he’s the sort to play games or deliberately yank around starting positions. I think if either player were clearly the better option in camp, Harbaugh would have awarded him the job. He’s a competition guy. If someone doubts this, I will casually remind people that blue-chip prospect Zach Charbonnet is a very good college running back who transferred away because he got beaten out for snaps by a middling 3-star prospect named Hassan Haskins. 

Fan from TTDS

September 6th, 2022 at 7:33 PM ^

If you were Ryan Day, would you keep the same defensive coaches and the offensive line coach after that beating last year?  The defensive problems had been there for two years.  Of course he had to go out and get new coaches to fix the defensive problems.  I said it last November the day after the Game and I will say it again.  That butt whooping that we took in AA was a blessing in disguise.  Thanks for kicking our asses.  It needed to be done.

Fan from TTDS

September 6th, 2022 at 7:53 PM ^

Way too early to be projecting into the future after one game.  JSN got injured early in the game and Fleming didn't even play.  That left Stroud with receivers who were not starters last year.  Did you know Xavier Johnson who caught the go ahead TD pass was a walk on.  Their timing wasn't good.  It will work itself out. 

How about that 95 yard drive in the 4th quarter where Myian Williams ran the ball and scored?  That would have never happened last year with that soft O-line.  It was a Tressel-ball type of a game.  It was kind of cool since Jim Tressel and his 2002 National Championship was in the Shoe also.  If OSU still had the same defensive coaches from last year, #5 ND would have won the game. 

Anyway let's play a few games to see how the offense and defense can improve.

Watching From Afar

September 6th, 2022 at 1:07 PM ^

Wanted to bring up Jones on run plays specifically. There were, I think, 3 plays where he pulled across the formation to pick up a block. Which was good! Great athleticism. But he had issues with targeting. On one play he was pulling behind Olu or someone and they both went for the DE/OLB that was setting the edge. Jones got there 2nd obviously and slowed down in the hole rather than turning upfield to find an ILB/Safety. 2 times Corum had to slow down or bounce off him because Jones didn't detour to the next guy quickly. Probably a bit of an adjustment to live snaps versus practice, but those plays seem pretty cut and dry. You're the 2nd guy through the hole so you shouldn't be primarily concerned with the first defender to show his face. Get downfield and take a LB out to give Corum a chance at a home run.

gobluem

September 6th, 2022 at 1:14 PM ^

What's a guy got to do for a HM? 

 

DJ Turner had a TFL, a scoop and score for a touchdown, and to my recollection didn't give up much of anything through the air, and doesn't even get a mention!?

swalburn

September 6th, 2022 at 1:19 PM ^

I'm a huge Cade fan and I'm just going to trust the coaches.  It has the feel that it is going to be JJ going forward.  Starting a Sophmore is a whole lot different than starting a true freshman.  I also have have to wonder if Cade is starting to hear all the chatter.  Either way both kids seem great and I hope it doesn't affect the season in a bad way.

MGoBlue96

September 6th, 2022 at 1:27 PM ^

I don't know if it's quite decided yet but in his remaining snaps in non conference you would think Cade would have to be incredibly sharp in his decision making and accuracy to still win the job. Unless JJ doesn't look good, but I think that is unlikely. One of them also needs to show the ability to stretch the field  a little as well because this WR room is too talented not to do that.

True Blue in CO

September 6th, 2022 at 1:27 PM ^

The photos for this post and the prior one for the MGoPodcast were great visuals to illustrate the QB situation at Michigan.  Cade waving goodbye and JJ throwing to Harbaugh are very symbolic about where we stand after week 1.

However, it is a long season.  JJ McCarthy has the tendency to not protect himself while running and he may be overexuberant with his arm in future situations.  We need a QB2 to weather a long season and hoping Cade licks his emotional wounds and stay committed to the team and his teammates.

The Oracle 2

September 6th, 2022 at 1:51 PM ^

I’m amazed people are still talking about the QB “competition” and “if” McCarthy will end up the starter. McCarthy was always going to be the starter in 2022, which is why he saw the field so much last year. He is, by a mile, the most talented QB Harbaugh has ever recruited to Michigan, and probably Harbaugh’s biggest recruiting prize overall since he returned to his alma mater.

Framing it as a competition was all about PR and showing McNamara some respect, but the end result was never in doubt. That’s why Harbaugh made the comment about not wanting to rotate QBs in 2022. He knew McCarthy was going to be the guy and that McNamara doesn’t bring anything to the table that McCarthy doesn’t do better, so there would be no need for a rotation. 

The Sea Was Angry

September 6th, 2022 at 7:32 PM ^

Congratulations. Purposefully or not, you come across as a professional troll who gets people to waste their time responding to endless drivel. McCarthy may ultimately be the starter this year, but please don't say, "I told you so" when it happens. Like a coin flip, you have a 50/50 shot. Good luck

Wow, I called that one several days ago, didn't I? I'd like to give myself credit, but you're too easy. Too bad there wasn't a betting line as we'd all be rich.

The Sea Was Angry

September 6th, 2022 at 8:19 PM ^

Agreed. You're a troll 100% of the time.

What you do not seem to understand...every fan wants the team to be successful, no matter who the quarterback is. Well, except for you. You just want to be right. I could not care less who ultimately leads this team. I just want the team to win, and I believe there's more to it than what I can deduce from my couch.

You, on the other hand, look at arm strength and mobility and cleverly deduce what no other fan can. You undoubtedly have a clairvoyance that we lesser mortals could only dream of possessing. Thankfully you continue to remind us every day, for my limited brain function would otherwise struggle to recall your unfathomable wisdom.

Please, by all means, continue to post as we never know what will come next from your omnipotent brilliance. Or is it brilliant omnipotence? Looks like it's another 50/50 proposition--I'm sure you already know though.

The Oracle 2

September 6th, 2022 at 11:31 PM ^

I don’t recall ever meeting you, but don’t let that stop you from telling me what I think. Like any fan, I also want the team to be successful, but I have a strong opinion about which QB can do the most to further that success. It was obvious that given how transfers work these days, the QB question was going to be the toughest one Harbaugh had to deal with in 2022, and that all things considered, he would have to go with McCarthy. So I’ve talked about it. I have no idea why it seems to bother you so much.

The Oracle 2

September 6th, 2022 at 3:02 PM ^

That’s right. He showed a superior arm and the ability to be a playmaker with both his arm and legs. Even though McNamara completed a higher percentage of his passes (64.2% to 57.6%), McCarthy had a much higher yards per attempt (8.9 to 8.0) and averaged a TD every 12 attempts, versus one every 22 attempts for McNamara.

Carpetbagger

September 6th, 2022 at 3:06 PM ^

I love McNamara, but I agree with the Oracle. McNamara would have had to look real good to fend off McCarthy. He most certainly did not look good.

Unless McCarthy looks out of his depth running the whole offense next week, I bet he takes over.

I wish McNamara the best wherever he starts next year, assuming things go as I expect. He helped win a Big 10 title and beat Ohio State. Michigan man through and through.

outsidethebox

September 6th, 2022 at 10:34 PM ^

Last year was the only year that JJ was not the starter for quite some time. He has won state championships and national championships. While on the one hand this will be a step up on the other hand it is also simply going to be "just another game". This young man has spent more than a couple years of his young life in the spotlight and is a "Big Stage" player. It may seem daunting to many fans but he thrives in this setting. We will see how he does. 

rice4114

September 7th, 2022 at 5:09 PM ^

If this was the case JJ shouldve been starter day 1 last year.

People act like Cade had 47 starts and 4,000 yards passing before our first game last fall.

Cade had 30 something more snaps than JJ. That is all that separated them. Basically one full game. 

I think JJ was a bit wild last season and although it was spectacular you see in the MSU game ow quickly it can change. 

I root for both of them and hope they both play out all their eligibility with us. Screw the media and the fans sucking up all the negativity. 

dragonchild

September 6th, 2022 at 3:04 PM ^

Our "next few games" are Hawai'i, UConn, and Maryland.  If Iowa is as advertised, we may not know anything about this team until late October.  Well, let me back up a bit:  Maryland will test our defense, and Iowa our offense.  If the two merged, that'd be a pretty complete team.

One thing to look for, at least:  While we did wind up with seven sacks, CSU's poor QB took more than one hit with surprising regularity.  So either CSU's got something in Millen in that he's a very difficult QB to bring down, or we got some problems with strength and tackling.  I'm inclined to think it's the former, though, because while CSU's linemen were terrible, they do each outweigh their QB by 100 pounds and were getting blown backward almost every snap.

So. . . honorary salute to Millen?  I was impressed with his ability to stay upright; otherwise we might've set a modern FBS record for sacks last week.  (And while I'm handing out head pats, that Fields guy on defense looked legit as a spacebacker.)

UM_Ftown

September 6th, 2022 at 2:15 PM ^

If I was Cade I’d just transfer. It’s like working for a company that doesn’t appreciate you, support you, and puts all the pressure on you but also doesn’t respect your accomplishments.

MGoBlue96

September 6th, 2022 at 2:47 PM ^

Cade can transfer after the season if he wants but in the meantime he needs to be a leader and good teammate by being ready to go even if JJ ends up being the guy. Which I think he would do. There could be a game, half or series where JJ might be unavailable and the the teams hopes of a conference title might hinge on Cade still being ready to go. Cade needs to realize this is not personal, sometimes a guy with a higher ceiling can pass you and the coaches have to do what is in the best interest of the team. You and some others are honestly also acting like Cade is an All American from a year ago potentially being replaced or something.

KBLOW

September 6th, 2022 at 4:46 PM ^

UM_Ftown, WTH are you talking about? One, It's nothing like that. And two, "all the pressure"? LOL.

It's actually like a football team that had two players for one position, player A and player B. In camp, they are both close to equal and when given a chance in a real game to show who is better, player A doesn't play well, let alone show any improvement from earlier in his career. 

kyle.aaronson

September 6th, 2022 at 2:51 PM ^

I'm perplexed as to why Mike Morris isn't getting more love. I thought he was an absolute world-wrecker on the edge in this game, both in the pass rush and on the ground. I guess we'll see what UFR says, though.

dragonchild

September 6th, 2022 at 2:51 PM ^

The sports media wants Cade to be unhappy, because no story writes itself like "QB controversy".  I'm really not interested in the story, because the story is all sports media being sports media.  Whatever he said, however he said it, fact is, it doesn't matterNone of it.  Move on!

What Cade needs to do is ridiculously straightforward:  Outplay the other guy.  What else is there?

It's Brady-Henson all over again.  Tom Brady (the college version), guy with average arm and bricks for legs, was threatened by wunderkid Drew Henson.  What'd he do?  Legend has it he walked into Lloyd Carr's office and told the HC to his face that he's going to prove he's the best QB at Michigan.  Whatever the case, he worked his tail off, week in and week out, until he wasn't just playing, or even out-playing Henson, but leading the team to comebacks.

I am NOT saying Cade is the next Tom Brady.  And I'm certainly not saying his road to winning the job is easy.  But it is extremely easy to understand.  In fact, it can't be any simpler.  Prove you're the best QB at Michigan, and you'll be the one out there.  That's all there is to get.

EverybodyMurders

September 6th, 2022 at 2:58 PM ^

Question on the henning return decision - if the kicking team touches it first, but he gains possession (not just touches) and then fumbles, is that still a live ball the kicking team can recover? That was my impression and why I wasn’t a fan of him going for it - because of the 3 possibilities in that scenario a return was the least likely

1. Henning touches, still UM ball no biggie

2. henning gets possession then fumbles

3. successful return