This Week's Obsession: Let's Talk About What We Haven't Talked About Comment Count

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This is our weekly roundtable, brought back from its offseason slumber because you really don't want to know what we are obsessing about in the offseason. If you ever have any topic suggestions, send them to seth at mgoblog dot com.

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The Question:

Sleeper player of the year? Who are we not talking about that we'll be talking about?

The Responses:

Brian: So not Wheatley then.

Ace: I’m partway into an answer that starts with a mention of Ian Bunting (not my choice) being an option because of our constant Wheatley hype.

Brian: And not Hudson then.

Ace: Options on the ground are very limited unless we’re allowing anyone who hasn’t been a full-time starter already. I was going to go with Dymonte Thomas.

Brian: I don't think I can do this if I can't talk about Wheatley and Hudson.

Ace: I wouldn’t veto Wheatley/Hudson talk even if I could.

Brian: A man needs a code. Can't talk about guys we're talking about. I will persist.

BiSB: Allow me to parse the rule: you can't talk about Hudson and Wheatley in general because your feelings are well known, but you CAN talk about them in the specific context of 2016, as such things are NOT known.

Like, Khaleke Hudson will invade and overrun Persia by the time he's a Junior, but will we see him as a true freshman toppling some minor Greek city-state?

Ace: Please let it be Sparta. #ancientdisrespekt

Seth: This is This Week's Obsession, not Nam. There are rules.

[After THE JUMP we actually do answer the question]

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Ace:

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Alright, time to actually answer this. I feel like Dymonte Thomas and Delano Hill have effectively been considered the same guy—decent part-time starter turned full-time starter—in the leadup to the season, but I expect Thomas to take a bigger step forward this year. Despite being less experienced at safety, Thomas was the more consistent of the two last year; you could sense as the season went on that the light was coming on for him.

Thomas should get more chances to make plays in Don Brown’s system, which should keep both safeties closer to the line of scrimmage, especially against spread-to-run teams. As we saw in the spring game, Thomas has the ability to make spectacular big plays even from a single-high deep safety position.

While he might give up a few more big plays than steady-but-boring Jarrod Wilson, I expect he’ll more than make up for those by forcing turnovers that Wilson wasn’t in position to make, either due to scheme or playmaking ability.

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Seth: I'm going with a guy we literally have not mentioned on MGoBlog except to say he's on the roster: walk-on fullback Michael Hirsch. Michigan graduated both the blocky-runny guy and the runny-blocky guy. We're expecting Khalid Hill to be the catchy-blocky guy, and Henry Poggi to be the H-backy-blocky guy.

But the race for inline blocky-runny types is Bobby Henderson and...this guy we've never mentioned. Who's 24. And who didn't get to play at Harvard because he almost died from an autoimmune disease. He ran for 3000+ yards and 50 TDs in Illinois's top division (8A), and at the time he came down sick as a true freshman was tied for fullback job at Harvard with Kyle Juszczyk, who's now with the Baltimore Ravens.

That was a long time ago--in which time Hirsch graduated from Harvard, survived chemo and a suite of surgeries, and spent last year as a credit sales analyst for Citigroup before enrolling at Ross. It would make a nice story except SOURCES inside the submarine say the 6'1/250 preferred walk-on with two years of eligibility remaining is going to have a role. And on a Harbaugh team, that's not crazy at all.

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Brian: I'll go with Chase Winovich, who I expect to be 2015 Taco Charlton: doesn't get a ton of snaps but impresses in limited time as he finally starts delivering on his physical potential. Winovich feels rather forgotten about after a lost year at H-back, but remember that this was a dude who was a major OSU/M recruiting battle reputed to be the next Jake Ryan.

Winovich had a strong spring, is up to 260 pounds, and is still running in the 4.5-4.6 range per the coaches. He put some work on Grant Newsome this spring, and gets praise as a relentless edge guy in the mold of you know who.

I'll also put in a shout for *Mike McCray*, who is the kind of guy who will thunder into dudes at the LOS and shock them backwards. McCray has the physical and mental makeup to be good--son of Buckeye captain and all that--and was intermittently really impressive this spring. At other times he was still knocking the rust off after a year spent trying to get healthy; I expect he's a bit rough in the first half of the season before rounding into the best linebacker on the team in the second half.

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BiSB: I like the odds that Moe Ways has an unexpectedly large impact. Right now, the outside receiver depth chart after Chesson and Darboh is Ways, Drake Harris, and a pile of assorted undifferentiated freshmen. Given the uncertainty with freshmen (and given that the only two definitively outside receivers were Brad Hawkins and Ahmir Mitchell, neither of whom... yeah), and given my skepticism that Drake Harris will be able to consume the necessary 38,000 calories per day between now and kickoff to reach a sustainable playing weight, Ways is the most likely guy to step in as needed. He was receiving a bunch of spring hype (which is always accurate) before a foot injury, so if he can get and stay healthy, I wouldn't be surprised if he caught 20 to 25 balls  for 250-ish yards and a few scores.

Comments

stephenrjking

August 23rd, 2016 at 2:31 PM ^

This exercise is best discharged by posting a roster on your wall and throwing darts.

I think Brian's inclination to select a linebacker is wise. That position group is kind of important, even with Michigan's talent and scheme, and so it stands to reason that LBs are going to be a significant subject of discussion despite zero preseason hype.

The problem is that there is at least a 50% chance that balance of the discussion they receive will be negative. We'll see.

hail2victors9

August 23rd, 2016 at 3:50 PM ^

Yes, definitely a feel good story.  Hirsch actually called in during Harbaugh's appearance on the Rich Eisen Show (which is a solid watch if you're bored).  Eisen and coach Harbaugh talked with Michael for 5 minutes, or so.  Sounds like a great story.  I wish the kid the best.

Milty

August 23rd, 2016 at 2:36 PM ^

Y'all are having way too much fun writing this.

Ace, re: the chart...are the numbers a UFR score and the colors denoting home/away?

Thanks!

mikegros

August 23rd, 2016 at 2:49 PM ^

... I'll fix that soon. I scrape the year from the URL for the UFR post and so the bowl game was placed in 2016. I'll have to fix that by hand, as well as the fact that the URL doesn't have a year for the OSU posts but I'm waiting for the defensive UFR for the OSU game to go up first to fix it all at once.

mikegros

August 23rd, 2016 at 2:46 PM ^

The plots are in chronological order by game, with the color changing each season. Currently I haven't fixed the fact that the Florida bowl game was read as 2016 and so not placed in the same color as the 2015 season, as it probably should. I'll fix that as soon as the OSU defensive UFR goes up, as I'll want to make sure they are ordered properly also. 

(I'm not Ace but made the graphing tool for the UFR data found here: http://mikegros.shinyapps.io/ufr_analysis/)

StephenRKass

August 23rd, 2016 at 3:11 PM ^

It just so happens that my daughter is an ACNT FC3 & 2M Tech on the DDG87. (Aegis Computer Network Technician, Fire Controlman 3rd class Petty Officer, Minature and Microminature Electronics Module Test and Repair, USS Destroyer Mason, DDG87). "Seaman" is a title for a recruit who just got out of boot camp, classed E-3 paygrade. On a sub, there would be very few, if any, seamen. And a seaman would be be at such a low level that they would be very unlikely to be a source of useful information. I'm sure there are some former submarine guys on the board who can verify or dispute what I just said.

StephenRKass

August 23rd, 2016 at 6:35 PM ^

It depends. Possibly Beaumont could have been a seaman. I just watched some clips from "Hunt for Red October." The guy called "Jones" was a petty officer 2nd class. But I'd have to watch the movie to see if "Seaman Beaumont" was actually a "seaman" or something else.

You'd have to ask someone who has been active in the Navy. However, in my limited experience on board a ship, you would be most likely to hear "shipmate." You might hear "sailor." You might just hear the name, so an officer would call to me, "Kass."

There are a bunch of sailors who never make it through boot camp. When they get through, and are no longer a "recruit" but a "sailor" or "seaman," they're pretty happy.

Njia

August 23rd, 2016 at 2:45 PM ^

What are the advanced stats on Leonidas' defense and its likelihood to outlast the Xerxes offensive unit? Leonidas has a solid group of veterans; but Xerxes can just keep throwing bodies in there. That's got to wear on the Spartans' defense.

Alumnus93

August 23rd, 2016 at 2:47 PM ^

My vote is for Bredeson... he may not start immediately but I think he will at LT by midseason, and then will never look back.

My second vote is for Bush..... again, after midseason, will be playing alot, and be talked about alot.

Farnn

August 23rd, 2016 at 2:53 PM ^

I'm hoping Ways is good enough to allow Chesson to play a bunch in the slot. Especially against the quarters defense MSU and OSU run.

gwkrlghl

August 23rd, 2016 at 3:18 PM ^

I think whoever the fullback type guy is going to be is the answer. Remember how much Kerridge and Houma carried the ball last year? Someone's gotta take that role this year. Whoever that is will likely have several touchdowns this year

Brendan71388

August 23rd, 2016 at 4:27 PM ^

I had no idea about Hirsch. I'm sure if he does have any impact on the field, or perhaps even if not, his story will be featured during at least one broadcast this season. Very cool.



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MichFan1997

August 23rd, 2016 at 4:53 PM ^

Today is the first time I've ever heard about Hirsch. I saw him mentioned in some threads on Wolverine247 and now on here. Kinda intrigued by him from what I've read. Would be a great story if he turns into a useful piece. 

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maquih

August 23rd, 2016 at 6:36 PM ^

What about De'Veon Smith? Our O-line is stacked so it's only natural to assume Smith will have a great year, but I haven't really heard anything about him or our running game in general.  He's going to be in the Heisman conversation if our line is as good as we think it will be!