The difference. [Patrick Barron]

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Seth April 4th, 2024 at 2:30 PM

Last season was the final word on a uniquely American pastime, a maximalized rugby/soccer offshoot that began with a spring 1879 trial of Walter Camp's new rules, and concluded with its final championship last January.

Stipulating that Michigan is the final victor of college football's remarkable 144-year year run, like any good MMRPG reaching the end of original content doesn't mean we have to stop playing.* The winners of the first and last games of the mainline series not only plan on continuing to compete in the endgame, but are actively preparing to do so right this very moment. Let's see what's happening. But first the ground rules.

How spring lies: The vast majority of spring chatter is pablum. Established starters get praised for their leadership, focus, and offseason workout regimens. Obvious new ones get compared to the guys they're stepping in for. Coach pressers spin vagarities then name some dudes. Insider information is often more precise, but also usually planted.

How spring truths: Typical things that stand out as positives are players that every practice observer feels they need to mention (e.g. Sainristil), surprisingly short position battles (same), and young depth guys who don't need to get hypes but are brought up anyways (Loveland in '22). Typically negative heuristics are position changes, getting named after a younger player at one's position, battles that go on longer than they should, and when the questions they're answering aren't the more pressing ones we're asking (conversely if we're worried about backups and they talk about the starter it's a good thing).

Thus the format where we start with expectations, and measure what we're hearing against those.

Quick note on paywalled info. There is some, noted with ($). If I'm sharing it anyways it means there's either a lot more for subscribers at the link, or the info therein is so old it's already well percolated through social media and by that point it's better to credit the original source than pretend it doesn't exist.

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* [That only happens once the corporate overlords who bought the IP stack so many subscription fees, microtransactions, shortsighted DLCs, and too-disruptive in-game ads into the thing that the critical mass of people who were hanging onto the diluted product for nostalgia finally let go.]

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Quarterback

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Oh Denegal is having a bad week, is he?

The question we're asking is: Who's the quarterback?

But they're acting like it's: That.

What are we hearing? No thought of portal, Jadyn Davis has INTANGIBLES, and Orji is seizing the job because nobody can throw well enough at this point to make up for what Orji can do with his legs.

With Tuttle "working through something" the official channels are making every candidate equal. Tyler Morris:

Each one has their own thing that they're good at, I would say," Morris explained. "I wouldn't necessarily say there was one that's caught my eye, but there's been days where one might stand out for the day and then the next one -- the next practice, another guy. … Alex, obviously he can move. Davis just getting the ball to people. Jayden Denegal, he made some good throws. Jadyn Davis, I mean, he's made some great throws too."

Mason Graham seemed to confirm some insider notes I've gotten that Orji's running ability is standing out from a group that's been struggling to throw it to their own guys.

"I mean they’re all doing a good job — but Alex Orji can make plays with his legs ... You don’t know what he’s doing, even when he doesn’t have the ball because he’s a weapon. … when there’s somebody back there that can just run at any given time and you’ve gotta chase him down, it’s in the back of your mind throughout the game."

Brian Jean-Mary also noted that while he's been impressed by the ground game, the offense is "finding its footing." That is a nicer way of saying the first practices with pads have resembled an Iowa spring game via both Sam and Josh Henschke ($):

Wink’s pressures and blitzes “handled” the offense thoroughly. As for quarterbacks, we’re told that a lot of interceptions were thrown this week and there were some inconsistencies from all quarterbacks. … the offense needs time to get rhythm and gel, a lot of early pressure by Wink doesn’t necessarily allow that but it’s good practice.

When we do hear about a play in the passing game it's not coming from the pocket, which there's one guy who's likely to still be standing when not in it. Josaiah Stewart on Orji:

He can escape the pocket, but believe it or not, he can throw," he said. "People might not believe that, social media or whatnot, say he can't throw, but he can throw. I've seen him throw dots down the field, and it's worse when you just almost get there and he gets the ball off, and it's a touchdown. He's great at doing that. He's great at escaping and getting the ball downfield."

On their podcast (video) Henschke shared that his insiders think Orji is #1, Davis Warren #2, not far behind is Jadyn Davis, who is your presumptive starter in 2025, and then Denegal, who didn't have that great of a week. Jadyn "continues to stack good days."

What it means?

Orji hasn't grasped the offense but he's probably going to have to lead it, because his legs are a bona fide Big Ten-caliber weapon, and none of the other QBs' skills rise to that yet. Denegal shouldn't be written off for one bad week but it sounds like it was quite the bad week. Jadyn Davis chatter is meaningful for the future.

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[After THE JUMP: Focused on becoming the best on and off the field.]

Running Back

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A few pounds? Okay. [Paul Sherman]

The question we're asking is: Better investment: Kalel Mullings jersey or Benjamin Hall jersey?

But they're acting like it's: Should I get my Donovan Edwards jersey now or will it be the same price after he has 3,000 rushing yards and 40 touchdowns?

What are we hearing? Donovan Edwards has rocked up. Sam confirms Dono's the "best player on offense"($) and is having his snaps limited because of it. Other insiders say he's added 14 pounds, shaping his body to take a greater pounding and fight through more tackles. Henschke said he looks *Big*, and took knocks that he went down on first contact to heart. Also thinks missing last spring messed with Edwards's momentum from 2022, and he wasn't himself until PSU.

What it means? Nothing. Edwards is Edwards.

Receiver

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Tiptoeing past the obvious. [Bryan Fuller]

The questions we're asking are: Fred Moore breakout? Semaj Morgan fun stuff? Are we gonna wait till July and get a couple of 6'5" leapers in the portal or…?

But they're acting like it's… Can Colson Loveland play receiver too?

What are we hearing? The roster here was thin before Cristian Dixon moved to DB and the spring roster sprung without Karmello English on it (portal). That leaves three scholarship receivers on campus in spring, and if you want to count Peyton O'Leary as a fourth he's still only the second upperclassman.

The other, Tyler Morris, naturally, has assumed the title of WR1, and is giving the presser.

"Fred and Semaj, I feel like just being like the young guys, they were the freshmen last year and this year they've shown that they can step up. Semaj I feel like last year had a lot of the quick game stuff. And this year — I mean, I've told him, 'That was nice, but we need you to do more.' And that's kind of expectation. We need everybody to step up. Fred, we're going to need him to really be one of those deep ball receivers. Peyton, I mean, just he ain't played a lot. And we've talked about it too. We need everybody to step up and be able to do everything."

Fred Moore had some positive arrows last spring but isn't coming in for much talk yet, which feels ominous considering you'd think they be trumpeting their WR#2. Semaj is, but still mostly for his Sainristilian presence and general gizmo-sity.

So…portal? MnBR's Trevor McCue suggested former 5-star Michigan target-slash-USC and UCLA jumbo receiver Kyle Ford, but it's not like the program could tell us whom they're talking to when they're not supposed to be.

What it means? It's only weird to lose a sophomore who's behind two other guys in his class at his position when there's already a playing time crunch. And look, I get it: none of the passers are The Greatest QB in the History of the Program™, and you're gonna want to use skill position snaps this year for lots of Loveland, Bredeson, Edwards, Mullings, a 6th lineman, and some promising younger TEs and RBs. But you do still need some receivers. So it's probably portal in July for one or two guys. Which is bad.

Tight End

The question we're asking is: Who's the next AJ Barner?

But they're acting like it's: Who's the next Loveland?

What are we hearing? Newsome was happy to answer a question about his old outfit.

There's guys like Marlin Klein, who, you know, if we hadn't had the the top of that tight end room that we did with AJ being there and (Luke Schoonmaker) the year before, I'm assuming he's a guy who's probably already started 20 games in his career, because he has that kind of ability. He has that mindset, so I'm excited to see what he does. Guys like Josh Beetham, Deakon Tonielli, excited see what they kind of do now that there's more opportunity that room.

Lorenz said the positive reports on Klein are "well-founded"($) but added that Bredeson will "see an expanded role." Zach Marshall is spelling his name with an 'h' on the new roster, which lists early enrollees Brady Prieskorn (6'6/245) and Hogan Hansen (6'5/230) up 20 and 10 pounds, respectively, from their high school weights.

What it means? Klein came in for some hype last year, when he was listed up to 250, so I don't think they're just talking about the RS sophomore because he's the next scholarship upperclassman. The departure of Matthew Hibner (to SMU) after seeing time in the postseason probably means Klein was passing him. Sounds like Bredeson will be both FB#1 and TE#2, with Beetham and Tonielli next in line, but there's a drop after Klein.

Offensive Line

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How did we get here? Ich habe uns hierher gebracht, weil ich bin Spartakus. [Patrick Barron]

The question we're asking is: Who's OL#6?

But they're acting like it's: Who's OL#5?

What are we hearing? The all-new offensive line appears to be 90% set at (from left to right) Hinton/Priebe/Crippen/El-Hadi/Gentry, with Gentry still yet to fully win the job over Jeff Persi. Either way they're replacing a line of seniors with…another line of seniors, but those seniors are getting slaughtered by Wink and the national champs. Sam Webb($):

The defense has been flat out dominant. Last weekend's practice is the only one I've heard the offense has "won." The biggest reason for that is the starting defensive line has been unblockable. And when new defensive coordinator Wink Martindale dials up the pressure, and he has a lot, quarterbacks have had to run for their lives even more.

Hinton got the stage, and the resulting Zach Shaw feature that paints a picture of a non-football obsessed person born with the gifts and family to play it anyways.

Everybody who watches Hinton play thinks he has the potential become one of the best offensive linemen on the planet.

Not news.

But this spring, Hinton is as comfortable with his ability to close that gap as he has ever been. Slimmed down from 340 pounds last August to the high 320s, he feels faster out of his stance and more in command of his mechanics overall.

Roster news.

"I feel better at left," Hinton said. "Coming across from my left, I played left throughout high school. My freshman year of college I played left. Pushed to right my sophomore year. I always kind of felt a little awkward. I feel comfortable at left, I feel like I am back home. I am back to where I feel like I know I can do what I can do."

Positional news.

Josaiah Stewart reiterated that Hinton's seized the starting spot, but it seems clear from the context that Stewart's winning those battles. The Hinton talk got Balas framing this as "a lack of drive and determination"($), which reminds Balas of Gabe Watson, and reminds me of how Balas was down on Mike Onwenu for a lack of want-to right before he went GRAPES.

As for the rest of the line Henschke said you can write everyone else into the lineup in pen except Gentry. Henschke also mentioned a thing the staff have been putting out through every channel for two years, which is that they would have been comfortable starting Crippen the last two years had Olu and Nugent not fallen into their laps.

Behind the starters, Henschke mentioned Nathan Efobi had a really good week, looks the part, and is probably next in line at guard, and Newsome came up with Evan Link and true freshman Blake Frazier as the next two names for tackle. Yes, Frazier.

Newsome made a point to note to reporters that Mason Cole, Ben Bredeson and Zak Zinter all started as true freshmen.

Raheem Anderson was the next young guy named by Newsome, followed by Efobi and Amir Herring, so that's likely your second three inside, with the rest of the two-deep the loser of Persi/Gentry and Link.

What it means? Michael Penix, between teeth, labored breaths, and a towel, will be the first to tell you that not even the Joe Moore winners can protect you from Messirs Graham, Grant, Stewart and Moore. Add Mike Macdonald/Jesse Minter's blitzier sensei to the mix in the first week of spring practice and yeah, the pass pro's gonna look janky. I like hearing that Hinton's more comfortable at LT even if it's pablum. It does sound like Gentry's struggling a bit in pass pro, though, which will be something to keep an eye on.

Down the depth chart it seems they've got some guys in the 2023 class in Efobi and Link, and Blake Frazier talk at this point goes right in the "We're talking about you before we have to" bin. That also applies to Amir Herring to a lesser degree. It also means it's getting late early for Tristan Bonds (RS Jr), Dominic Guidice (RS Jr), and Connor Jones (RS So).

Comments

MFanWM

April 4th, 2024 at 3:09 PM ^

QB was always going to be interesting this spring - having a new QB, new line and receivers - it would be highly disappointing to hear that the defense was having any troubles with the offense. 

The D is the strength of the team this year, the O needs to be competent and capable, but they are not going to face a better (or close) line than they do in practice, at least not until at least OSU and the playoffs.

The O will need to figure some things out - which is expected and should not raise a bunch of needless concern facing the other side at the moment.  If it is still that abjectly poor in the fall - that is another issue.

pdgoblue25

April 4th, 2024 at 3:19 PM ^

I remember seeing a huge kid up on a trophy presentation stage and wondering, jesus, who the fuck is that?  Then searching the roster to find out it was Efobi, kid certainly looks the part as you said.

PopeLando

April 4th, 2024 at 3:19 PM ^

Reminder that an experienced defense is EXPECTED to kick the offense’s ass at this point in the process. I’d be super duper concerned if we heard that the offense was handling the defense.

My fingers are crossed for Donovan Edwards. His problem isn’t ability: we saw time and time again that he’s one cut away from the endzone basically every snap

His problem IS recognizing what’s going on in front of him; we saw him biff blitz pickup after blitz pickup, and tbh even one of his touchdown runs in the Championship was because he missed the hole, which drew the Wash LB to help tackle, then Edwards was able to bounce and just outrun everyone.

If he can process the game the way that Corum could process the game, he’s in for a special season.

If we have both a RB1 and QB1 who don’t quite have a grasp on the offense…we’re in for a bad time.

UM Indy

April 4th, 2024 at 3:45 PM ^

DE is not a between the tackles runner and they continually tried to make him one last season.  That's Mullings territory.  Get DE in space where he doesn't have to analyze much, just one cut and go.  If the offensive coaches are stubborn about this again this season, it will be mighty frustrating.  

Derek

April 4th, 2024 at 3:24 PM ^

Having skimmed for five minutes, the talk around Orji looks like the talk around Milroe from Bama's 2023 spring camp. I'll choose to believe that for now.

ex dx dy

April 4th, 2024 at 3:37 PM ^

I have no doubt in Moore's ability to field the best 2nd Half Penn State offense the world has ever seen. But I don't think a full season of 2nd Half Penn State offense is going to do a whole lot to this schedule. This feels like a lot of 20-13 games, with a coin flip determining who wins.

4th phase

April 4th, 2024 at 3:38 PM ^

Might be a good time to update the depth chart by class.

Not great that Tuttle is injured. Also is there any talk of trying Cabana at WR? I think he should be more of a Deebo Samuel type. 

I had high hopes for Bounds, but year 4 and not on the 2 deep isn't great.

S.G. Rice

April 4th, 2024 at 3:39 PM ^

It wouldn't be the offseason without a bunch of concern trolling.

It's freaking April.  There is the rest of spring ball, summer workouts and all of fall camp for things to fall into place.  We know that the defense is going to be dominant.  It's no shock that it's way ahead of an offense that's replacing QB, RB1, five OL, TE1a, WR1 and WR2.

michgoblue

April 4th, 2024 at 3:59 PM ^

This is almost exactly what I expected, and at the same time is terrifying.  QB is the most important position in football and while it sounds like Orji's legs are a major weapon, in modern football you need to be able to throw the ball downfield.  Even with our JJ-offense, with Blake and Edwards, there were games where JJ had to throw to win.  Having a QB who cannot throw makes us entirely 1-dimensional and easy to stop by defenses dropping an extra defender down into the box (see, the entire Denard Robinson period of Michigan football, and I say that as a huge Denard fan).  Couple this with the fact that our receiver room is REALLY thin and lacking in top-end talent and we could be looking at a year in which our offense really struggles.  

Sure, our defense should be amazing again, but sometimes you get into games in which you need to score 25+ points to win, and I do worry about whether this offense, without major portal help, can do that.

Double-D

April 4th, 2024 at 7:39 PM ^

I think our WR when you include Loveland will be just fine for this team.  I saw enough of Morris and Morgan to be excited to see them play. Depth may be an issue.

One dimensional football however becomes too predictable and predictable is death.  You just can’t keep drives alive without a some well timed strikes past the chains.

We need good QB play. 

mgoja

April 4th, 2024 at 9:17 PM ^

Depth is the issue.  We might not have last year’s good fortune with injuries.  While we did have a few injuries last year, the early ones (DBs) turned out to be a blessing in disguise and we had enough depth to work around the late ones (Zinter).

AWAS

April 4th, 2024 at 4:07 PM ^

If only there existed any evidence that a dominant defense and a low variance, rushing-heavy offense could win important football games with a "game manager" type at quarterback.  

caup

April 4th, 2024 at 5:01 PM ^

"...was down on Mike Onwenu for a lack of want-to right before he went GRAPES."

 

You see, this is the MGoBlog writing that I love.   Regulars get the reference, and laugh and nod.

Thanks for that, Seth.

Nickel

April 4th, 2024 at 5:10 PM ^

I mean if Alabama nearly made the CFP final last year with THAT offensive line, a worse running and a rich man's version of Orji.....  I actually feel pretty good about Michigan's chances of making the playoffs this year even if they have an abominable passing game which seems likely.

AlbanyBlue

April 4th, 2024 at 6:21 PM ^

OK....<deep breath> National Champs, National Champs </deep breath>

Reading between the lines here, we better hope that Tuttle is good to go for fall camp, or that we can grab a functional passing QB from the portal. No one is going to trash the QBs in spring ball, so yes, we are going to hear decent things. But, honestly, if Tuttle isn't good to go and we can't find a diamond from the portal, this offense sounds a lot like 2023 Iowa before All and their decent WR got injured. With a murderer's row of a schedule instead of the Big Ten West.

I'll hold off on a record prediction until fall camp, seeing what we have in Tuttle / portal QB or rolling with one of the others.

 

Double-D

April 4th, 2024 at 7:35 PM ^

The only thing that can stop this team from competing for Championships is a one dimensional offense limited by passing inefficiency.

God I wish JJ had come back for one more year to win back to back and mentor JD. 

RobM_24

April 4th, 2024 at 9:40 PM ^

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the defense was kicking the offense's ass in practice last year as well. There was a practice open to BTN and there were reports of the defense dominating the goalline drills to close out practice -- and the DL being ahead of the OL. And it turned out we just had a really, really good DL. 

Bleed4Blue

April 4th, 2024 at 11:57 PM ^

The amount of you who are genuinely comparing this offense to Iowas is insane. Iowa hasn't just been bad at QB, they have been horrible at literally every offensive position besides TE. This Michigan offense might not be top 10 or even top 25, but with the only concerns being if the QB can be more than just "okay" and the WR's being young, this is still an offense that will do just fine against the majority of teams. If Orgi turns out to be Milroe 2.0, it becomes a sure fire top 25 offense, which has been enough to win 3 straight conference championships.

uminks

April 5th, 2024 at 1:21 AM ^

I'm more worried about the QB. It sounds like none cannot throw well and the only one who can is suffering through some sort of injury. Without a QB to throw the ball well, we will be a one trick pony offense that will try to run the ball but the better Ds in the B1G can stop a running game. I think if a good QB is available in the portal, we should grab him. If we had another Jake Ruddock come through the portal, we could win another NC next season.

energyblue1

April 5th, 2024 at 8:59 AM ^

For spring ball a few things needs to happen. 

Orji, cuff his legs, and I mean, he has to throw and not allowed to break the pocket.  Yes he's a weapon running we know that.  That isn't what needs developed!  Seriously the offense/passing game will need him to be not just a competent passer!  If he becomes more than competent the offense can take off!

Defense, Martindale has to back off the pressure 24/7 every play.  Yes this defense is great, but imo there is a ton to do.  We also have an oline to develop and yes I get it he has to get his defense ready but they are rolling already. 

Oline, QB's and Rec's, don't go home at the end of spring ball cause they need to get snaps/reps and get a whole lot better! 

WestQuad

April 5th, 2024 at 9:54 AM ^

So, I'm assuming they've been working with Orji for the past two years right?   I can't find a Hello post for him, but in the commitment blurb post it says he only completed half of his passes in high school, has the arm strength, but lacks the mechanics.    Shouldn't his mechanics be fixed by now?  The WR/QB situation is scary.  I'm guessing we'll have a competition through fall camp.  

The Oracle 2

April 5th, 2024 at 10:40 AM ^

An offense without a capable QB vs. that defense must be brutal to watch. People love to give Iowa shit, but it’s sounding like Michigan may be very Iowaesque in 2024.

Wolverine 73

April 5th, 2024 at 12:52 PM ^

Having an elite QB the last couple of years was the difference between having a very good team and a championship team.  We don’t beat Alabama without JJ stepping up on the last drive.  Every team in the playoff had a good to great QB.