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Neck Sharpies: Mammoth Tramples Mercs Comment Count

Seth November 14th, 2023 at 9:00 AM

From the very first snap Michigan knew they had a problem against Manny Diaz's defense. Those defensive linemen LOVE to get into the backfield. Watch the DT lined up on the bottom hash.

Our left tackle, LaDarius Henderson, is supposed to block down on that DT, normally an easy enough block. But with #91 getting upfield so quickly, the shoulder that Henderson is expecting to shove is now a back.

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Before the handoff is made, #91's striped helmet is past Henderson's winged one.

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This is Duo, Michigan's base running play. They want to double that guy down to the linebackers. Instead of two guys blocking this dude, you have zero.

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Play is dead.

This was their problem with passing as well. Look at Chop Robinson, the DE on the top, on 3rd and 3.

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We're mad at Karsen Barnhart for not blocking this guy, but Barnhart's first step hasn't even landed yet and Robinson is already in the backfield.

PSU had Michigan's snaps dialed in and their ends were hopping over the line of scrimmage before Michigan's own linemen were out of their stances. Meanwhile the Wolverine linemen seemed slower than usual in getting into their blocks. And yet they still went on the road and beat a top-ten opponent by double the spread without throwing a pass in the second half. Was it just stubborn manliness? Was Penn State so bad you could put a "RUN!" sign, let their DL into the backfield, and still kick their asses? What the heck just happened?

What happened is actually way more interesting. It has to do with Penn State's system, why it works so well, and what Michigan was doing that most teams can't do in order to squish the best defense in the country into submission.

[After THE JUMP: Hoppin and mad.]

So let's review how Manny Diaz teams play defense, and we'll start with this: every defense is gap-sound, and every defense wants to be aggressive. The defensive coordinator holy grail is a defense that can do both. Every DC believes this is true of his defense, but every one of them is really somewhere on a scale between the two. Some defensive coaches (Tom Allen, Don Brown, Jim Knowles, Chuck Noll) are philosophically gamblers who do things to cover up their risks, and others (Lloyd Carr, Jesse Minter, Nick Saban, Tony Dungy, Ryan Walters) run systems that prioritize getting your job done, and tend to shift jobs around to stay unpredictable.

You can run similar systems either way—for example Walters and Brown both use five-man fronts with man-1 coverage behind it. The difference is usually best seen in the type of defensive linemen you prefer. The gamblers usually go small and quick, while the sound want you to think twice about leaving the line of scrimmage.

Diaz, as you may have surmised, is on the gambler end of this spectrum. He likes his linemen small and quick. He wants them getting upfield and past the blocking, causing havoc, and tasks his linebackers and secondary with cleaning up the mess. Having extremely athletic edges—they're all super highly recruited guys—means they are more likely to be able to shift from rush to pursuit. But he also emphasizes their speed with tons of stunts and interior blitzes from the linebackers to keep the OL guessing.

To understand it better I pinged former Michigan safety Hunter Reynolds, who played in a similar defense to Penn State's at Utah State and now has a growing Youtube channel talking football. Reynolds explained the thinking up front (emphasis mine).

"The philosophy of the defensive line is for the DTs to get vertical and get their feet across the line of scrimmage. The DEs want to control the C gap while also getting penetration up the field. Linebackers are taught to spike their gaps to create more penetration but also to get double teams off of the D Tackles. Pulling guards/flashing TEs cause LBs to shift gap responsibilities."

"Spike" means "fly up into your gap if you see run." The only other thought is if their DTs are doubled, the LBs have to rescue them, because these are littler guys and the whole thing falls apart if you don't get it moving. Fundamentally, it works like a blitzkreig. By moving forward you keep the enemy focused on reacting to you instead of doing what they're supposed to do. All you have to do is break through in a spot to mess up the offense's attack, and if you break through twice it doesn't matter what else happens on that play.

If you're a lineman going against this, you don't know where the attack is coming from, and it's coming faster than you've ever dealt with. And if they're a little bit unsound because of it, that's okay, because once the offense has finished dealing with the havoc created in the backfield, the next wave has had time to gather and respond. Meanwhile the athletes who are out of position are quick enough to make that a less momentous thing.

Technically Michigan had a good playcall on against the above. We're running zone read belly off the backside and they're blitzing the frontside. You've seen zone reads enough in your lifetime, however, to understand that JJ is feeling a little rushed on this one. Isaac is an athletic freak who can start flying upfield, convert to forcing a give, and crash inside in time to hold this to a modest gain.

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Passing against this is a pain because the edges are flying up into the backfield like every down is 3rd & 8. Michigan tried to run a play-action pass on 1st & 10 here, and linebacker Abdul Carter timed the snap and shot into the backfield faster than the playside guard could kick him.

He can target the quarterback because #33 Dani Dennis-Sutton is bee-lining for Corum. Once McCarthy gets out of there he can find Cornelius Johnson covered by a linebacker, but you'd have to be a great quarterback to see what they're doing, get out of there, and make the throw on the run.

Which we have.

But you can see how this defense gets so many picks. Is this sound? No, it's downright reckless, as the Donovan Edwards demonstrated. Halfway through this play it is dead. The DE flying upfield of Henderson might have left a juicy lane out the left side but the DT flying upfield of Barnhart is never going to let him get there. This is what we mean by getting in the backfield and causing havoc.

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And this is what we mean by aggression not always being the most sound policy. The cornerback, #4 Kalen King, or Isaac has a right to be out there and deep in the backfield in case of a QB keeper, but one of them should have been closing off the backside. That's just not how they think. They think get upfield and cause problems, especially on a passing down.

But you have to be so poised, so fast, so accurate to beat them at this game that either you ask your quarterback to win the Heisman in one game, or you have him fling it in the direction of a Heisman-candidate receiver and let him do the work for you.

Or you can just move them out of the way.

Critical Mass

Michigan's plan for Penn State was to try to win back the size matchup by shifting Diaz's personnel out of the jobs they were recruited for. How do you alter personnel? By changing your own. They call this the "Mammoth" package.

Wookit all the widdle wittany wions wooking at it.

That right there is two tight ends and two extra OL for your skill positions. The lightest tight end, Loveland, is out wide on the top . Myles Hinton (#78), Trente Jones (#93) and AJ Barner (#89) make up the bottom of the formation. Penn State is in 4-3 personnel. Do you see the problem yet?

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Penn State wants to get their guys going vertical, but this setup doesn't allow for that. They stunt the playside DE (Isaac) and the DT to create hard nodes where Michigan isn't looking, and are running trap coverage on the backside that adds a cornerback to run fit there. But by extending the offensive line they've added way too many "B"-like gaps for way Penn State wants to play. They've also exposed their nose tackle to a double-team, because

Remember how Reynolds said the linebackers have to rescue the DTs from their doubles? Remember how in previous weeks I've been talking about "hard nodes" where linemen are versus the soft gaps the linebackers have to cover.

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Unfortunately Hinton wasn't expecting the stunt and looked back (never look back) instead of picking off the MLB. If he does this might crack for a big gain.

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Technically nothing has changed about the Penn State defense, except they can't act like they want to because they're not sure what to do. The linebackers are looking for easy reads to decide where to spike or help, not all of these gaps so close together. While they figure it out, the nose tackle is getting doubled all play long, something he is definitively NOT built to withstand. He gets crunched to the ground by Henderson and Keegan, Corum gets to run into a pair of linebackers who were not used to reading and reacting. The guys flinging themselves into the backfield are unimportant to the play because the ball is out of there so quickly. Meanwhile Adisa Isaac and his five stars of twitching super-athlete are spent buried in the chest of a guy wearing 93.

All of that penetrating speed is useless when the job is strength on strength. This is a short-yardage situation but shows the point well. Here Isaac is slanting, but Hinton picks him up and drives him out of the way while Henderson releases on a linebacker.

Isaac's method for fixing this is to bend his shoulder, "get skinny" and get into the backfield free of his blocker. That can't help him here.

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If Henderson and Zinter get their linebackers there's nobody until the safety. The penetration doesn't matter because Corum is leaving the backfield before any of them are in any shape to make a tackle. And the linebackers can't just bury themselves in any of these gaps to make things right because there are simply too many gaps. The only guy able to act like a normal linebacker is the quasi-LB coming inside Bredeson on the far left.

Let's look at that guy for a second, because it's going to be relevant in a sec. The reason this defense usually works so well against modern offenses is you're usually just asking a linebacker to make a few simple reads that are all close together. The DT you have to protect is probably no more than a gap away from your assignment. But let's say we extend the line a bit. And then a bit more. And a bit more.

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With TE Barner and OT Jones out there with him, this hybrid safety character wearing #0 (6'1/218 Dominic DeLuca) is now playing the role usually filled by a 280-pound 5-tech. The linebacker trying to spike the [/counts from left of center] E gap has a very long way to go after checking the doubled DT in the middle, and while he's waiting for him to get there our poor hybrid is trying to two-gap Barner. Ultimately he gets edged.

Really it's Duo. But adding all of the beef has moved the bounce really far away from the double it's reading. Life is hard on linebackers, but usually not this hard:

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The extended surface also creates more lanes for unsound behavior, which in an aggressive system like this is rampant. Last year they were getting out of their lanes all the time as the edges focused on getting upfield, linebackers spiked whatever gaps they could, and Michigan tested players in a new system on how well they can make each other right. Penn State was more disciplined this game, but when it came down to it, they broke.

What's supposed to happen here? The linebackers are reacting appropriately given it's late in the 4th quarter and Michigan hasn't thrown a pass yet. They see Duo and attack their gaps. But here's where the "The athletes have to be incredible to play this way" part comes into play. Chop Robinson, the DE on the left, is trying to come around Barner. He technically can crash and cover his C gap, but if he gets hung up the cornerback (Daquon Hardy) has to make him right.

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He does not.

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Ballgame.

THINGS

The last play is a bust compounded by the safety coming down too far and Corum being Corum. But I wanted to show it because this is what Michigan was trying to set up all game. You'll note even when the plays didn't go very far, there was only one more block or one stellar play from a Penn State defender to stop it.

When you ask why Sherrone Moore chose to keep pounding away with heavier and heavier sets instead of passing, it's because they *WANTED* to get the linebackers hopped up on goofballs and spiking their gaps. The play-action passing was just delivering McCarthy to edges who were treating every play like a pass-rushing opportunity, so clearing out the linebackers and sitting in the pocket until Roman Wilson or Cornelius Johnson outran a guy wasn't going to happen.

What they could do instead, however, was stress Manny Diaz's defense to its utter limits, put the Ferraris of his front seven in a monster truck derby, and have Corum probe for fuckups. Every extra gap was a potential breakdown, and because they were flinging so many guys upfield,  every mistake was a potential touchdown. All told, this defense didn't make many, and their athletes did an excellent job of preventing leaks from turning into gashes. They were as good as advertised. They're just not set up to play football like it's 1906, and since Michigan can do that, they were going to score more than a typical James Franklin offense was going to score on them.

There was more to it. Michigan also messed with the linebackers by running power with atypical pullers, which combined with PSU's aggressive posture to turn some of these wins into explosives. I'll cover that with Demorest later this week. For now it's enough to understand how Penn State's defense works, and why Michigan wanted to attack it on the ground.

Comments

schreibee

November 14th, 2023 at 8:08 PM ^

I think that virtually never snapping the ball until the play clock is at <3 seconds has to help the D anticipate the snap, no?!

Somehow it's actually easier for Michigan to go with a 4 OT, 0 WR offense than mess with the timing of the snap. We just don't do that!

lhglrkwg

November 14th, 2023 at 10:09 AM ^

Fascinating.

They adjusted so quick it seems like this had to be part of the gameplan coming in right? Like if Penn State is getting in the backfield then here's Plan B.

bighouseinmate

November 14th, 2023 at 10:38 AM ^

I’m sure that Michigan had several ways to go already planned out, depending on if PSU played their typical defense or not, and also depending on if Michigan’s defense could shut down PSU’s offense. Once they knew the way to go it was an immediate shift in offensive style that PSU either couldn’t, or wouldn’t be able to respond to. 

stephenrjking

November 14th, 2023 at 11:33 AM ^

The 4-TE packages were unquestionably a pre-game plan that worked well. You can't draw up stuff like that on the back of a napkin.

Ironically, extra-tackle stuff and tackle-over was stuff that was tried and failed miserably in that stadium under Al Borges. It's not that the general concept is bad, it's just that Harbaugh/Moore can develop players and execute this stuff and Hoke/Borges/Brandon could not.

ca_prophet

November 14th, 2023 at 5:21 PM ^

Borges tried to use this to cover for the *weakness* of his OL.  This clearly illustrates why just having extra OL on the field is not the answer; they all have to work together and handle their assignments to make it happen.

The main point that I take away from this is our coaches rock.  They had *planned* for the possibility that the PSU defense would nerf our passing game, didn't bleat and dither when it started to happen, were willing to be patient while they pounded away waiting for an opening, and trusted Corum and Edwards to pay it off when it happened.

I see no reason to think they'll be any less prepared for OSU.

 

 

 

M-Dog

November 14th, 2023 at 10:19 AM ^

Joel Klatt is a god.  He discussed this very thing before the season began when he was evaluating whether Penn State would "make the jump" to be able to beat Michigan.

He said no.  Penn State's defense is built to beat Ohio State, not Michigan.  He anticipated that Michigan would do the very thing they did against Penn State's extremely athletic fast and long players.  The nuances of Michigan's running game are universally under-appreciated, but not by Klatt.  

AWAS

November 14th, 2023 at 10:25 AM ^

Dear Frames:

Our coach outcoached your coach while also performing the head coaching job.  And yet, your outcoached coach wasn't your most outcoached coach, coach.

dragonchild

November 14th, 2023 at 11:19 AM ^

Equally ignorant here but to me, screen passes sounds like playing into their hands.  The first inclination of a passing offense like OSU would've been to do just that, get the ball out quickly and into space, so I have to assume they had something ready.  (We just didn't see their response because, you know, we stopped throwing the ball.)  I didn't watch the PSU-OSU game but in the box score, everyone but MHJ was completely bottled up.  Methinks Moore anticipated the same, that tweaking the passing game (especially doing things Michigan doesn't normally do) wasn't the answer.

ca_prophet

November 14th, 2023 at 5:35 PM ^

They might not be able to, but the flip side is that JJ probably wouldn't have time to find them, even with max protection.  From the clip above of JJ passing, freeze the frame at 1 second.

JJ has just caught the snap, and there are *FOUR* PSU players across the line of scrimmage.  One is two yards deep already and about to pass the LT, and #33 is racing past our player's back (Loveland?).  Advance a half second.

We have two receivers two yards downfield, and a third heading there but at the line of scrimmage.  Corum is peeling off to block on the left, and #33 is unblocked (though he has contain and the check on Corum and so has widened out a bit).  Advance another half second.

We are two seconds into the clip (about 1.3 into the play) and JJ is running away from two unblocked rushers.  Only one receiver is into his break!

PSU's defense is really built for this.

bighouseinmate

November 14th, 2023 at 10:28 AM ^

Reading this I am convinced that Michigan coaches (Moore, specifically) know the defensive tendencies of Diaz and PSU down cold. So, at first Michigan was testing those tendencies to make sure they held, throwing passes and running with much less beef up front. Maybe UM was hoping to get by with less beef initially, hoping their wrs could at least hold up in blocking (they couldn’t). Once Moore felt comfortable that PSU was going to respond the way they did, he sent out the big guys and the game plan shifted to run first, and run always, which is something I’m sure they expected they might have to do against PSU’s defense. Also, I’m sure that at the beginning Moore and UM needed to see whether it was going to be a track meet type of game and if their defense could hold up to PSU’s running game, or if Michigan could shut them down. 
 

So, the running game we saw was always going to be a likely probability, but Moore and UM wanted to be sure they weren’t going to be RPS’ed before they went full on maul-monster against PSU. 
 

And, to counter the “geniuses” at ESPN, it wasn’t some lucky break or lucky guess of UM that led to how the game played out. It was always going to be the most probable outcome, and was also a thorough whipping of PSU despite what the final score was. 

Since85

November 14th, 2023 at 10:29 AM ^

Great stuff!!  I've learned over the years that I really know nothing about scheme when I read these.  This is why I tend to keep my mouth shut until I've read this blog, THEN I can say something intelligent about scheme/game planning.  Small tidbits mind you, but clearly, my listening audience acquiesces to my thorough understanding of the game and nod's their head in agreement.  I'm so smart. 

 

 

/s

XM - Mt 1822

November 14th, 2023 at 10:35 AM ^

on that first example where the DT is across henderson's face, that is on henderson, so to speak.  it is absolutely the job of the tackle to step quick enough and flat enough, or in the alternative, to cut (meaning superman in front of him) that guy down.  

Carpetbagger

November 14th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^

Dipping into the portal for the O-line this year after taking 3 last year would be suicide. If I'm an O-lineman waiting to be coached up a couple-three years to start at Michigan, I'm OK with 1 extra year being recruited over, I'm not OK with 2.

And, if the coaches are looking at 15 lineman returning and don't see 5 starters I'm starting to question their recruiting too.

Maybe 1 guy would be OK, if they really see a great get.

dragonchild

November 14th, 2023 at 10:40 AM ^

All season long, every defense we faced was all, "URR, GOTTA STOP THE RUN."

PSU actually has a very good defense designed to stop modern offenses (especially OSU) with, "URR, GOTTA STOP THE PASS."

But we've all seen so many coaches insist on being "balanced" and either throwing their RBs into a meat wall or getting their QBs killed.

So I want to give a huge shout-out to Moore here.  This was an ugly, unsexy way to play in very tough circumstances against a truly elite defense.  It was going to be tough sledding no matter what we did.  But he saw what he needed to do and didn't cave to temptation.  PSU kept doubling down on their ways, and Moore responded by doubling down on his.

We've been saying, "Pass 50 times in a row if that's what the defense gives you."  This was the occasion to do the opposite.  It just didn't look that way because we've gotten used to smashing nobodies, whereas PSU's defense is damn good.

dragonchild

November 14th, 2023 at 11:44 AM ^

The ugly was, our punter touched the ball more than our entire receiving corps combined in the second half.  I'm not speaking for myself; I know there were lots of twits here who wanted Michigan to "hang 50" on Penn State and "go for two every time" (ironically, one side did just that); they can't have been pleased with the offensive output.  Never mind we were facing an elite defense on the road without our HC, eh?

BuckeyeChuck

November 14th, 2023 at 10:41 AM ^

He likes his linemen small and quick. He wants them getting upfield and past the blocking, causing havoc, and tasks his linebackers and secondary with cleaning up the mess.

This is backed up by this (X-axis: havoc caused by front 7; Y-axis: havoc caused by DBs):

 

 

Also, I suspect your listing of Knowles among the gamblers is due to your exposure of his game plan against Michigan last year, but that game plan was an aberration of what the team did all last season. This season his defense has not been very aggressive and perhaps falls more in the second category?

fuzzy247

November 14th, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^

Thanks for all the work that goes into these posts! I remember a time when I (like many fans, I'm sure) thought running the football was as simple as "big guys block, fast guy find a hole" but the Neck Sharpies series has really increased my appreciation for the strategy and tactics of football. I usually don't catch it live but it is really interesting to see why things work or don't work.

Johnny Blood

November 14th, 2023 at 11:02 AM ^

Great writeup, awesome job breaking this down.  And this is the part that made the entire plan make sense to me as I was watching...

"You'll note even when the plays didn't go very far, there was only one more block or one stellar play from a Penn State defender to stop it."

I saw multiple plays where we almost broke through for more long games and I had to begrudgingly give props to the Penn State defender. 

This was an incredible game plan to use all their aggression against them - Michigan had to know it wouldn't work all the time, but also knew that when it did work, it was going for a very long gain.   

LeCheezus

November 14th, 2023 at 7:46 PM ^

I’m pretty sure you can change jerseys in game- the ref will occasionally announce something like this: “Number x is now number y.”  When it happens it usually gets a big “who cares” because it is usually either related to this issue of eligible receivers, or an injury or substitution late in the game would be putting two players on the field with the same number, which is a penalty.

Not super common but happens from time to time.

Blue1972

November 14th, 2023 at 11:11 AM ^

As a longstanding fan of football, I admittedly get lost in the technical aspects of certain plays.

Any chance you or someone can break down the failed PSU 2-point conversion attempt that some refer to the "swinging gate?" When I see the formation, it always looks to me that it should be easily defended. Perhaps it is the surprise element.

In particular, who is actually an eligible receiver on the play, particularly as it relates to the cluster of offensive players split out to the top of the screen? What is the purpose of splitting out those players? Has any team ever used them catch or carry the ball into the end zone for the conversion?

Sorry for the stoopid question.

LeCheezus

November 14th, 2023 at 11:30 AM ^

The "center" (who was a TE) was eligible, and that was the "trick."  Well, I'm pretty sure everyone on that side of the field was eligible, but if you don't cover that "center" it's an easy toss for a conversion. 

As you could see pre-snap, Barrett and others recognized the center was eligible - pointing emphatically at him.  M covered everyone and stayed close enough to Allar to prevent a keeper from being an easy conversion (although IMO with his size, I think he should have given it a shot over throwing once everyone was covered), his clock went off and he threw it to Theo Johnson, who had it knocked away by Will Johnson.

BlueinLansing

November 14th, 2023 at 11:58 AM ^

oregon ran this stuff better than anyone under Chip Kelly.  They had so many different ways to attack using that formation.   Whenever I see people run it today and they rarely run it, it usually gets blown up.

I think you're better off running a standard play for two unless you have a super athletic QB.

 

Its really just another examples of James being Frames, a totally unnecessary thing his team fails to run.