[Patrick Barron]

I Got Your Sign Comment Count

Brian October 20th, 2023 at 10:38 AM

Various thoughts on scandal-type substance du jour.

Nothing important will happen. The #1 rule of 2023 college football is "the networks are in charge." The networks would have a conniption fit if Michigan was barred from the postseason at any point, this year or next. They would savagely eliminate any athletic department that had the cojones to not play Michigan because they may or may not have their signs. Michigan is the only football program in the country to support a completely independent college football blog that isn't mostly clickbait garbage. QED.

Sturm und drang; the only meaningful impact here is that the Michigan program will be inclined to bounce any rubble they come across. Michigan's play here should be the Kansas play: cooperate. Very, very slowly.

The most likely explanation. Pete Thamel has a name: Connor Stalions, an analyst with the team. A post on our message board is unconfirmed but comes from a guy who's been around here for 13 years and sounds like a plausible explanation:

The staffer recruited a bunch of non-Michigan affiliated 3rd parties to attend games and record sidelines of future Michigan opponents. That's the so-called "vast network." Wait until the story comes out of how he recruited the "scouts." It's Bud Fox level hustle that would make Gordon Gekko smile.

Obviously he'll lose his analyst gig at Michigan and probably have a show-cause if he ever wants to get near a college AD again but he's 100% going to land a plum job doing corporate espionage work eventually.

The Michigan Difference.

I bet a dollar this is substantially correct.

[After THE JUMP: meh!]

I fundamentally don't care. This isn't baseball, where some guys banging trash can lids is a Stain Upon The Game. This is football. A few years back ESPN ran a piece on Mike Leach—then the Oklahoma offensive coordinator—planting a fake playsheet on the sideline before the 1999 edition of the Red River Shootout:

"That game might've been the most bizarre experience I ever had as a college football player," said Ahmad Brooks, a starting defensive back for the Longhorns. "I can't tell you how wrong we were in the first three or four minutes with every playcall we had. I've never seen anything like it.

"It was complete pandemonium, and it was complete confusion."

Everyone thought this was awesome, because it was. One reason that college football has not adopted NFL-style radios in the helmets is that some coaches like stealing signals:

Another concern among some SEC coaches wasn’t expressed publicly but has been suspected privately: Headsets would eliminate the ability to steal signals. The concept of stealing signals is an open secret in coaching, and some programs have elaborate operations.

I'm not about to put on a hairshirt if Michigan is the best sign-stealing team in America. Change your signs, dumbass.

I've gotten bent out of shape about a bunch of things but they're all things that make people's lives worse: Alabama massively oversigning before transfers were free; Michigan State blithely ignoring all the red flags about Auston Robertson; being forced to watch Rutgers play football. Being better at calling football plays than other teams does not rise to that level. .The Astros doing whatever they were doing is great and I hope they win the next 200 World Series. Opsec is important.

Nobody else seems to care either. JJ Watt and RG3 both said this was a nothingburger…

…as did 247's Bud Elliott:

Paul Finebaum, of all people, asserted on ESPN this morning that "If this had been someone else, this investigation probably would not have gotten to this point." The parties that do care are reporters desperate for clicks and rival fanbases who would like to cling on to a reason Michigan caved their heads in.

This is the best kind of scandal because it is deeply funny and does not matter at all. I mean:

Upon learning of the pending investigation, Michigan State initially warned the Big Ten it might consider not playing Saturday’s game out of concern for health and safety for its players, according to two sources briefed on those conversations. On Thursday morning, MSU confirmed it will play the game.

If there's a program in the M-MSU rivalry that should be concerned about the health and safety of its players because of the other team, it's not MSU.

The provenance of this and reporting on it is sketch. The first person to allude to this investigation was Ohio State insider Bill Greene of Buckeye Scoop, the site that was blackballed by OSU for paying a walk-on to give them access to internal Ohio State information. The message board rumors that started up a couple of days ago also came from OSU sources, which point's a big ol' finger at Ryan Day as the primary complainer. I do not believe the message board rumor that Ryan Day hired a private investigator to get at all this… but I kind of do.

This is also extremely funny, especially because I've got the odd Buckeye fan in my twitter mentions making ominous references to how this all started in 2021. DO YOU REMEMBER THE 2021 GAME? Michigan passed four times in the second half. OSU couldn't move the ball because Aidan Hutchinson was beating the ass of whoever he lined up over. Signals intelligence did not matter. 2021 may have been the game least likely to be affected by playcalls in the history of the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry. Call whatever you want, Ryan. It doesn't matter because Aidan Hutchinson is going to be beating CJ Stroud to death with the dismembered arm of the left tackle.

Then we have the Ominous Quotes. I'm not sure why Pete Thamel printed this unsupported accusation, but he did:

The allegations have rattled coaches and administrators around the Big Ten.

"This is worse than both the Astros and the Patriots -- it's both use of technology for a competitive advantage and there's allegations that they are filming prior games, not just in-game," a Big Ten source said. "If it was just an in-game situation, that's different. Going and filming somewhere you're not supposed to be. It's illegal. It's too much of an advantage."

"Rattled." FOH. Thamel goes on to detail Stalion's LinkedIn page, because that's a thing you do when you have a thoroughly sourced article. Brendan Quinn also has a dubious quote:

One source who was briefed on the allegation said Michigan is being accused of using a “vast network” to steal opposing teams’ signs.

We are legion.

Comments

bronxblue

October 20th, 2023 at 12:05 PM ^

Ross basically copy-pastes PR statements from the NCAA and various teams and considers it journalism so not totally surprised he got a bit overwhelmed while trying to circle a guy in a picture.

But yeah, the absolute most obvious bad faith takes are coming out of the most obvious people and it's so funny to watch.

Johnny Blood

October 20th, 2023 at 11:16 AM ^

So the big takeaway for me is that Ryan Day will do or say just about anything to try and explain away his losses to Michigan in order to save his job.  

And you know what, I hope he stays.

dragonchild

October 20th, 2023 at 11:17 AM ^

"Something will happen" was never the point.  This is 100% a PR war being waged by petty coaches, the B1G, and the NCAA, all with axes to grind.  That's why they're flying around with spurious claims because there's no serious intent to nail Michigan to the wall.

The goal here is to put an asterisk on Michigan's season should things continue to go in our favor on the field, and in that sense they are getting the full enablement from sports media and astroturfers.  Hence the timing -- the B1G and NCAA didn't even bother to check if they actually had anything, because A) they didn't care, and B) they had limited time to get this ball rolling.  If they waited until later in the season it would've come off as sour grapes.  I mean it is, but perception is reality in media.

I'm actually angry because it's NOT a big deal.  It's one thing for coaches and sportswriters to spread stupid nasty rumors -- heck, that's called recruiting season -- but it's the absolute rock bottom of childish pettiness for B1G and NCAA bigwigs to dive in and throw mud around like they're drunken fans themselves.

And with that "health and safety of our players" line MSU is brazenly flaunting last year's attack.  They never had any intention of skipping the game; this is classic abuser-tormenting-the-victim behavior.  Everyone who says "move on" is enabling a program that revels in their psychopathy.  That said, nothing will happen this year, not thanks to any change on MSU's part, but because Michigan knows better than to trust MSU with player safety.

bighouseinmate

October 20th, 2023 at 11:26 AM ^

The whole thing is stupid, IMO. Maybe there is something to it, maybe there isn’t, but just the accusations are enough to damage a reputation. It’s many years later and irrational colts fans still try to claim that deflategate showed how rampant the patriots and Brady’s cheating was, despite many scientific  “studies” that showed just how dumb of an accusation it was considering the weather at the time of that game.

This will live on as an annoyance from OSU and msu fans no matter what the facts actually show and will be used as the explanation or excuse for any future losses by those programs to Michigan. It’s impossible to argue with irrational stupidity and sports is definitely one of those topics that brings out the worst of it in people.

EGD

October 20th, 2023 at 11:27 AM ^

Yeah, I just don’t have the patience to take this scandal seriously. If people don’t want their signs stolen, they should change them. The end AFAIAK.

Sopwith

October 20th, 2023 at 11:32 AM ^

A post on our message board is unconfirmed but comes from a guy who's been around here for 13 years

I've actually been here 15 years, but lurked for the first two without signing up. I'm just sayin'.

MNWolverine2

October 20th, 2023 at 11:39 AM ^

We will learn a lot about this through the rest of the season.  My guess is this dude was awesome at figuring out signals and spend the 1st half every week the last couple years doing just that. That is the reason Michigan comes up and smashes teams in the 3rd quarter - figure out signs in the 1st half, communicate at half, smash in the 3rd quarter.

If Michigan starts not dominating after half like they have the past few years, then I'll be wary they had a big advantage.  If they keep kicking butt, we'll knot it wasnt a big deal.  Last few years of games, half time and final scores. 

-Michigan 17 Maryland 13; Michigan 34 Maryland 27

-Michigan 10, Indiana 10, Michigan 31 Indiana 10

-Michigan 16 Penn State 14, Michigan 41 Ohio State 17

-Michigan 13 MSU 7; Michigan 29 Msu 7

-Michigan 14 Rutgers 17; Michigan 52 Rutgers 17

-Michigan 17 OSU 20, Michigan 45 OSU 23

-Michigan 

ThoseWhoStayUofM

October 20th, 2023 at 11:40 AM ^

Of all the teams you could accuse of cheating, you're going to go after Michigan?  Fuck off. Disband the NCAA.  It's a failed organization that clearly has an axe to grind against Jim Harbaugh for no good reason.  It's time we all recognize that we are justified in our indignation toward the NCAA.  Put them down.  End them.  This is war.

tybert

October 20th, 2023 at 11:41 AM ^

If sign stealing worked, then why are we giving up some yards/drives early in the games (Minny, Rutgers, Nebraska, IU, etc.) and then shutting down the opposition in the 3rd quarter (zero points allowed).

Seems like we would be shutting down teams until they suspected we cheated on the signs and then switched to Plan B Signs.

Oh yeah, and the 1994 NCAA ruling was because some teams (Rutgers, NW, Rice, etc.) refused to pay for their own scouts or scouting agencies to do the work for them.

Soulfire21

October 20th, 2023 at 1:11 PM ^

Funny enough, the opposing fanbases point to our 2nd half dominance as the reason they know we are 'cheating'.

When I asked why Michigan would wait until the 2nd half, the response is "oh it's a cover up you can't make it too obvious".

I guess Occam's Razor doesn't exist to these people.

It's also funny now, too, the people who were complaining about Michigan's cupcake schedule now saying we are only winning so big because we are stealing signs.

pdgoblue25

October 20th, 2023 at 11:47 AM ^

Not that they even needed, but I hope this makes this team even more tight knit then they already were.  I hope they come out of this laser focused, you think we're cheating?  Watch as we paste you into the ground in front of your friends and family.

Wolverine 73

October 20th, 2023 at 11:47 AM ^

Based on what we know so far, if Warde doesn’t come out with both barrels against the NCAA and this crap, he needs to be fired and replaced by someone who puts the interests of Michigan first.