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Hoops Preview 2021: Bigs Comment Count

Ace November 24th, 2020 at 4:21 PM

Previously: Preseason Hoops MailbagThe Story, Big Ten Roundtable Parts One and TwoSchedule ReleaseGuards, Wings

While we don't know precisely how the point guard and wing rotation is going to shake out, the center position is the spot with the most uncertainty on the roster after the departures of Jon Teske and Colin Castleton. Juwan Howard has three viable options at his disposal, a luxury in college basketball.

There's the hard-working redshirt senior known as Big Country, the athletic power forward slash small-ball center, and the talented freshman ent. I'm listing them below in order of projected minutes at any position, which puts the multi-position player out in front, but they all should be rotation players who get their chance to shine at one point or another.

#23 Brandon Johns Jr.

Year: Junior
Height/Weight: 6'8/240
Key Counting Stats: 19.6 MPG, 6.0 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 0.7 BPG, 60%/35%/64% (2P/3P/FT)
Key Advanced Stats: 15.2% usage, 7.4 off. rebound%, 15.2 def. reb.%, 3.3 block%, 41.4 FTRate

Halfway through Brandon Johns' sophomore season, there were legitimate concerns about whether he'd stick in Michigan's rotation. He'd rebound and block shots, but his shot wasn't falling, his confidence waned, and he looked lost on the court. There were games when he seemingly wouldn't even look at the basket.

The proverbial light bulb came on in late January. Generally playing as the #4 offensive option, Johns still had up and down statistical performances, but there were a lot more ups and he continued to contribute when he wasn't scoring. He had some big games down the stretch:

  • 14 points on 11 shooting possessions, five offensive rebounds vs. Penn State
  • 16- and 20-point performances in back-to-back games against Nebraska and Rutgers, respectively
  • 14 points, 3/3 three-pointers, five boards, a block, and a steal to win KenPom MVP against Indiana

His rough outing in his hometown of East Lansing was a personal low point. The return game against MSU in Ann Arbor provided some redemption—he had seven points on six shots, five rebounds, and two blocks in only 19 minutes.

[Hit THE JUMP for profiles on Johns, Hunter Dickinson, and Austin Davis.]

Phil Martelli sees a player who's continuing to gain confidence after his strong finish to last season:

He has these spurts like three baskets in four plays. He’s the best offensive rebounder in the group. I would say his comfort and his IQ is much higher than what it was at this time last year. I don’t think he thought he could get it last year and sometimes didn’t give himself that chance. There’s more brightness than there is dimness now in regards to what Brandon can do. He does give you a multiple position guy where he could be a small-ball five man. He could play with Isaiah and, again, he’s banging up against Terrance Williams who has done some really good things.

The small-ball center possibility became a more viable one as last season progressed. It wasn't working early on. Here are Michigan's stats with Johns at center prior to February 1st, per Hoop Lens (body bag games removed):

Even with unsustainable three-point shooting and offensive rebounding propping up an offensive unit that otherwise couldn't shoot, these lineups weren't viable because they hemorrhaged points on defense, letting opponents make over 60% of their two-pointers. 

Then the switch flipped. Lineups Johns at center after February 1st became unsustainably great:

Yeah, yeah, sample size, picking the right spots, outlier shooting percentages, etc. The main takeaway here is that these lineups became usable. That should be more the case this season with an added year of experience for Johns and the help he'll receive from the deep and big group of wings. Howard can still be selective about when to use Johns at center. As an energetic rebounder, switchable defender, effective rim protector, and good-enough outside shooter, Johns fits the mold of a small-ball five, and at a bouncy 6'8/240 he's not overwhelmed physically even by traditional centers.

He's also a matchup problem at the four for opposite reasons; instead of being too quick for college centers, he's too big for college power forwards. UMHoops had this tantalizing note from Friday's scrimmage:

Judging by the box score, Johns played primarily at the four but his team must have played at least seven minutes with either Johns or [Terrence] Williams at the five. He had 14 points and the best plus/minus in the game. He reportedly did a great job of taking advantage of mismatches inside when matched up with either Livers or Brown.

If Johns can hunt mismatches down low as a power forward and stretch defenses thin as a center, he's going to be difficult to keep off the floor at one position or another. While some of this will be matchup-dependent, I wouldn't be surprised if Howard finds that his best lineups utilize Johns at center, and regardless of who starts, that's what we see to close out games. The inclination to start a true center and the presence of Chaundee Brown may squeeze Johns out of the opening lineup; he'll still play starter minutes or close to it.

#1 Hunter Dickinson

Year: Freshman
Height/Weight: 7'1/255
Recruiting Profile: Four-star, #9 C, #42 overall, Hello post

The biggest news from Michigan's Friday scrimmage was the performance of their biggest player:

There were baskets for both bigs — they combined to go 13-of-19 from the floor — but Dickinson finished with 17 points and two assists and logged an impressive 33 minutes. It’s impressive that Dickinson stayed out of foul trouble and logged that many minutes — both encouraging signs for his ability to make an early impact. Judging by the box score, he pretty clearly outplayed Davis. He also hit a three which is something he showed a lot more of as a senior at DeMatha.

Hunter Dickinson ended up as the headliner of Michigan's 2020 recruiting class, which was a relative disappointment after the Josh Christopher and Isaiah Todd sagas. In almost any other year, fans would be over the moon to have a top-50 center who chose the Wolverines over the likes of Duke, Louisville, and UNC at the top of the class. Standards change quickly; it might mean Dickinson's chance at making an instant impact have gone overlooked.

I might be among the people doing the overlooking. I've said on various podcasts that I expect Dickinson to eventually take the starting job from Austin Davis as the freshman gets used to the rigors of the college game and learns the system. He might have already taken that job. That'd be a great sign for Michigan; while we all love Big Country, there's a lot more upside to explore on both ends of the floor with Dickinson.

As an example of this, here's Matt's scouting report from Dickinson's commitment post, emphasis mine:

Dickinson is a technician in nearly every aspect of the game from 15 feet and in and you can certainly run offense through him in the half court. He has very good touch around the basket for a prospect of his size. His jumphook over the right shoulder is extremely consistent and should be nearly unstoppable at the college level given his sheer size. Hunter consistently bullies defenders by getting into their chest to create space where he converts at the rim with great efficiency. The future Wolverine has good footwork and gets clean looks through multiple pivots and spin-moves to get defenders off-balance as well. He also has a solid midrange game as a pick-and-pop or face-up option that knocks down jumpers from 10-18 feet away.

In addition to his scoring prowess, Dickinson is a great passer that can facilitate extremely well. To put this in context, he may very well be a better passer than a high school Jon Teske. When faced with double-teams, which is often, he finds cutters/shooters with pinpoint passes with relative ease and just looks very comfortable operating as a distributor where his ability to see over the defense aids him greatly.

On the other side of the ball, Hunter offers plus rim protection and does a great job of blocking shots while keeping the ball in play and avoiding fouls. He's certainly not adept at keeping ballhandlers in front of him and generally struggles to move his feet in space. But as a mammoth center, he does a good job of boxing out, is an above average rebounder and will alter a ton of shots.

Now keep in mind that Dickinson started to show consistent three-point range as a senior with a release that's much quicker than, say, Jon Teske's—he should turn into a pick-and-pop threat if he isn't one already. If you haven't watched the video at the top of this section, it may surprise you. 

Dickinson naturally plays with an assertive edge that often needs to be coaxed out of young bigs. While he could've skated through high school ball, even in the competitive DMV area, by relying on his height to let the play come to him, that's not what his tape shows; he works hard for position, seals off defenders, and positions himself to make entry passes easier—and that's all before he gets the ball in his hands. He has a variety of ways to finish and his court vision/passing is advanced for a freshman.

Martelli wants that assertiveness to continue:

Hunter is coming. The first thing that jumps out at you about Hunter is he’s an extraordinary passer. Either from the high post or even from the low post. The last two weeks, Hunter has been able to score some baskets and Hunter, I know him, he would give all the credit in the world to Austin Davis. Because Austin Davis lays it on him every single day. Physically — you say physically, come on, Hunter is 7-foot-2, 267, it’s different. It’s different. Austin is truly country strong and he wears Hunter out. I’m not saying he’s surprised him, he kind of presented Hunter with a real awakening. One of the things that we’re really trying to develop with Hunter is everybody in the world knows you can dunk, you’re 7-foot-2 with long arms. He can dunk. We’re really trying to work on him scoring the ball around the basket, particularly with his right hand and to be more committed to shooting the jumpshot.

On defense, Dickinson projects to be one of the best rim protectors Michigan has had in some time. While he's listed at 7'1 on the official roster, you can see that the team has more recently measured him at 7'2 with a plus wingspan. It's going to be difficult for some players to see past him, let alone get shots over him.

Dickinson isn't an elite athlete; he's not going to stick with perimeter players on switches. That means Michigan will stick to their usual drop coverage when he's in the game, keeping him in the paint while the other four defenders chase and help around him. That should work quite well when the Wolverines aren't facing a true stretch five like Iowa's Luka Garza or Wisconsin's center duo; as I've discussed ad nauseam, this team has a lot of long, athletic, switchable defenders to put around Dickinson.

As an old freshman (20 years old before the season starts), Dickinson may have less of a rough transition than most first-year centers in the Big Ten. The quick learning curve from this condensed season and the conference's overall size/talent up front means Dickinson will still experience a good deal of the usual freshman rollercoaster. He's also enough of a talent—and so got-dang big—that the team could build some of its identity around having a skilled behemoth in the middle if he's ready to take on the minutes.

#51 Austin Davis

Year: Redshirt Senior
Height/Weight: 6'10/250
Key Counting Stats: 10.7 MPG, 4.9 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 69% (nice) 2P, 54% FT
Key Advanced Stats: 20.5% usage, 11.0 off. reb.%, 16.3 def. reb.%, 20.9 TO rate, 1.8 block%, 6.6 fouls/40

There's a very good news/bad news aspect to Martelli using Austin Davis' sudden development into a solid backup center as an example of the team's top-tier player development:

It’s remarkable. I believe, spotlight on [Juwan Howard], I believe Hunter chose Michigan because he saw that when he came for his visit. It wasn’t talk. It wasn’t like, here, let us put this on a screen and talk about player development. He knew that Juwan would hold himself accountable for Hunter’s player development. If you take the bigger picture, there’s nobody on this call that would say, ‘Oh yeah, I could see Austin Davis [get] three or four baskets at Michigan State.’ That’s because, I use the term, he was in the lab with Juwan. It was personal.

The good news is obvious: Howard is very good at coaching big men and Davis is now playable. The flip side is it took a lot of work in "the lab" to get Davis to this point and he's still a limited player. The impressive post scoring stuck against better teams; his rebounding didn't and his defense was a problem. You can see it in his individual numbers (KenPom Tier A = home court-adjusted top 50 opponents).

Austin Davis in Tier A games, the good: 24/36 FG (67%), 7.7 off. reb.%
Austin Davis in Tier A games, the bad: 11.7 def. reb.%, 22.5 TO rate, 0.7 block%, 7.5 fouls/40

You can see it in the team numbers (cupcakes removed):

Michigan was a couple points per 100 possessions better on offense with Davis on the court than without—and 13(!!!) points per 100 possessions worse on defense. While some of the latter number can be attributed to bad three-point luck, part of the uptick in opponent three-point shooting can also be blamed on Davis not being quick enough to get out on shooters.

That doesn't mean Davis isn't of use. There aren't a lot of playable third centers in college basketball, let alone guys you can throw the ball in the post and expect to create a decent look for himself. Improved team defense (and greater team size) could help cover for his limitations on that end of the court.

With one center option a huge freshman who could gas/foul out and the other more of a power forward, Davis is going to see time. I'm just guessing it's in a similar vein as last year; around ten minutes per game with some peaks around 15 and some opponents that play him off the court like Wisconsin did last year.

Comments

KTisClutch

November 24th, 2020 at 4:43 PM ^

I don't think it should be a hard and fast rule like you mentioned. Just last year Kofi Cockburn and Trayce Jackson Davis were great as freshman centers

 

I also think it's worth mentioning that Dickinson turns 20 tomorrow. He's about the same age as Brandon Johns. And he's 7'2 250 pounds and played in possibly the best HS basketball league in the country. He's battle tested and the main physical change he needs is just getting in shape. 

WorldwideTJRob

November 24th, 2020 at 6:03 PM ^

I disagree...the Vernon Carey, Jaren Jackson, Jahlil Okafor and Karl Anthony-Towns types come in from day 1 ready to play. So the elite Centers are ready to play, we have to see if Hunter is more on that level or the Luke Garza, Jordan Morgan and Frank Kaminsky type. The latter found their footing after a couple years on campus.

njvictor

November 24th, 2020 at 4:36 PM ^

I'm super excited for Dickinson. Seems like he's way ahead of schedule in terms of development and he'll have plenty of games to acclimate to the college game. Hearing that the coaching staff is really pushing Dickinson out of his comfort zone and Juwan doing work with him personally is exciting. I think he and Johns are really going to be x-factors this year and the difference between a 6-8 finish and being a top 5 team in the B1G

Blue In NC

November 24th, 2020 at 4:56 PM ^

Maybe I am overly optimistic but I think Dickinson is underrated at #42.  That rank is likely affected by his lower pro potential but that does not mean he cannot have an immediate impact on this team.  Very good passer, strong fundamentals, good body control, tall and solid, on a team with a need at center.  I think he is starting at C after about 5 games, if not sooner.  He looks almost as good as senior Teske right now, maybe minus some of the craftiness at staying out of foul trouble and maybe not as strong. 

I have high hopes for Johns and Dickinson this year.  Dickinson at center with Johns at PF and then 2 of 3 of Livers, Franz and Brown at the 2-3 would be a really strong defensive lineup.  Then remove Dickinson and insert a guard and you have a decent small ball lineup.

njvictor

November 24th, 2020 at 5:23 PM ^

I am overly optimistic but I think Dickinson is underrated at #42

Completely agree. 247 has him even lower at #50 which is genuinely absurd. Kinda like what you said, it's probably a combination of his old school center play style, his subpar athleticism, and his age, but he's going to be a damn good college center. He can score from all 3 levels and while he might night be the quickest, his pure size is going to make him a force on defense. A 7'2" 265 center who has a nice post game and has range out to the 3 point line should not be the #50 player in the country

Jordan2323

November 24th, 2020 at 5:47 PM ^

To me he seems pretty fluid out there. Teske was stiff and very off balance when he made moves. Dickinson seems to have good balance and can do spin moves. I think he runs the floor well also for his size and his shot seems more pure than Teske, who started with a line drive outside shot, corrected it and then ended up with it again. 

Michigan4Life

November 25th, 2020 at 1:10 AM ^

Hunter is fluid on offense but not as fluid on defense where his lack of mobility is glaring. Teske on the other hand is opposite of Dickinson. He's fluid on defense and can alter shots, but he's awkward on offense and not nearly as developed as Dickinson

You're looking at one side of the game which is offense. Dickinson is far more versatile offensive player but defensively, he's nowhere near as good as Teske. He won't ever be an anchor on the defensive side but Juwan knows how to hide that because he knows and understand defense.

Blue Vet

November 24th, 2020 at 5:08 PM ^

The bigs are the front court.

But only knowing basketball after I started playing in high school, I was a guard and thought of myself at the front as I brought the ball down the court, with bigs at the back. I still think of bigs as the back court.

AC1997

November 24th, 2020 at 5:27 PM ^

Nice write-up Ace.  I don't have much to offer in the way of commentary besides the two points below.  I do think we'll see all three guys play 10-20 minutes per game and it will vary throughout the seasons for all the reasons you mentioned.  I'm glad that the coaches seem to be coming around on using Johns at the 5 because the roster make up almost forces him there - both because of the glut of forwards and the lack of an athletic center.  

The two counter points I'd offer:

  1. I don't see Johns playing starters minutes if that is defined as 28+.  I just don't think there are enough minutes available at forward with Wagner/Brown/Livers and then we all hope/think Dickinson will demand about 20 minutes and Davis about 10.  I think Johns tops out as a solid 20mpg guy that's just below true starter but well within the core rotation.  
     
  2. Dickinson, for all of his size, doesn't really project as a rim protector.  His block stats from his prep career are pretty low and he isn't very athletic.  He'll be more of a "get in the way" guy who happens to be huge than an elite rim protector.  Hopefully he'll develop some of those instincts Teske had to wall up and pick his spots.  Next year he'll be the perfect compliment to Diabate's leaping athleticism and length.  

Blue In NC

November 24th, 2020 at 6:08 PM ^

Agree with your first point.  Johns is going to have to earn minutes at both spots.

On the second point, I somewhat disagree.  Dickinson isn't overly athletic but probably above average for a 7 footer and certainly more than Teske who was a pretty decent rim protector.  Being 7'1" really helps.  I would venture a guess that his block rate in HS might be simply a product of guys not challenging him as much and centers in HS trying to draw him outside more.  Yes, he may not come flying from 10 feet away to swat a shot but if he is around the paint at all, I think he will get his fair share.

Michigan4Life

November 24th, 2020 at 7:32 PM ^

Brandon Johns is the true X-Factor for Michigan. If he's confident and productive, it raises the team's ceiling considerably bc of how much he can unlock the lineup with his athleticism and skills. I hope that the light finally come on for him and he'll be a matchup nightmare at the 4 and the 5. If he can be a credible threat from the 3 pt line, like Ace said, it will make the defense respect his shot more thus opening up spacing for anyone to get to the rim.

Gustavo Fring

November 24th, 2020 at 7:55 PM ^

Worth noting Johns was also a big reason Michigan was able to stick with Oregon.  Yes he missed the shot at the buzzer, but he was the only match we had for their small ball and Payton Pritchard's penetration ability.  

Hunter's gonna be good.  Remember Isaac Haas?  Hunter is his size but more skilled.  Eventually, however, even Haas ran into Mo Wagner (not forgetting Teske's considerable contributions in this game) and Zavier Simpson on a very good day and he couldn't hang, despite 23 points.  Imagine if Purdue had an athlete like Johns to stick with Wagner and deter Zavier Simpson on drives.  Best of both worlds!  

And Davis as a third center is a luxury, dude is good enough to go 2nd string on a lot of teams.  He can finish, be in the right spots, and not make egregious mistakes.  I like this rotation.

champswest

November 25th, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^

I wrote elsewhere that Johns is the X factor for us reaching the highest ceiling. If he can give us 15-20 quality minutes between the 4 & 5, we will be really good. 

I would start Davis at least for the first few games (even if Hunter plays more minutes), just to take the pressure off the freshman. Let him come in off the bench and excel.