"ow" [Patrick Barron]

Grass And Splintered Bone Comment Count

Brian November 15th, 2021 at 12:48 PM

11/13/2021 – Michigan 21, Penn State 17 – 9-1, 6-1 Big Ten

Sean Clifford sat down on the sideline and let his demeanor crack briefly. Unfortunately for him, this moment was caught by ABC's cameras and broadcast nationwide. He collapsed on the bench and looked like he'd spent several hours in a car wash, without a car. Weary. Bone-deep weary. His jersey looked like he was wearing one of those HOUSE DIVIDED half-and-half monstrosities, this one split equally between Penn State and Grass & Splintered Bone Tech.

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GASBTU has a regionally competitive meat judging team [Barron]

He was in the midst of getting sacked seven times and running for his life another couple dozen times. He'd flung passes to receivers who merrily dropped them. He was big parts of the third-and-medium ground game. He'd watched his coach call for a fake field goal on the two yard line. At some point, he knew, he would have to go out there again and pretend for exactly 2.1 seconds that the useless pylons the OL coach insisted were the starting tackles would block the two demons Michigan insisted were college students instead of stygian nightmares conjured up in a foul act of summoning prowess. (Michigan's position: "why not both?")

Sean Clifford sighed a sigh. He sat and calcified on the bench. He sighed again. Eventually got up.

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Opposing fans are not known for empathy. Anything short of psychotic narcissism generally qualifies you as one of the good ones. But as Penn State lurched into a fourth quarter lead, Michigan Twitter thoughts evolved from "how is he doing this" to "I hope he stops doing this" to "I'm glad he stopped doing that" before finally landing on a sort of elegy.

When your opposition fights like a lion and then has the courtesy to die, you parade him around, lauding his heroism. Appreciating his martial spirit, which was perfectly calibrated: just enough to lose valiantly. Well done. Now we get to feel the exhilaration of a close win. You get to wonder if Clifford's sanity meter is going to overflow against Rutgers.

Michigan fans saw the same thing happen to one of the most physically promising quarterbacks to ever land in Ann Arbor. Devin Gardner looked like a Heisman contender while batting away 300-pound defensive tackles under the lights against Notre Dame; several games later he had the same jersey Clifford does above, except worse.

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[Bryan Fuller]

He was no longer the same quarterback. Nobody is when the expectation moves from the possibility of improvisation to the necessity of flight. Clifford isn't, either. Penn State was on their way to a win over Iowa when he got crushed by an unblocked blitzer. When Clifford came back his running ability was put on the shelf, and Penn State went into a tailspin.

Even in this game when PSU turned his legs back on and he started off brilliantly he faded down the stretch, overthrowing open receivers and finally jacking up a hopeless, inaccurate fade as RJ Moten tore at him just like the Iowa defender had a month ago. It's not clear whether Clifford had time to realize that his mesh routes had been obliterated. Watching it again, it feels like Clifford saw Moten charging at him and had an octopus nope moment. Not because he's not tough enough—the preceding 57 minutes are evidence enough—but because he is a human and you can only endure so much blunt force trauma in a short period of time before you are a human who very much does not want to continue having a football attached to his person.

These are the works of Ojabo and Hutchinson. Look on them, ye quarterbacks, and despair.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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"not in the face" [Bryan Fuller]

-2535ac8789d1b499[1]you're the man now, dog

#1 Aidan Hutchinson/David Ojabo. We're just flipping the Hutchinson/Ojabo pairing and Haskins until further notice. Five sacks between Michigan's twin towers of destruction to go with three fumbles forced and a critical holding call drawn by Hutchinson. Hutchinson was so terrifying that at one point a PSU running back looked straight at Junior Colson charging upfield unmolested, decided that he should block Hutchinson instead, and may have been correct to do so since Hutchinson just went through both guys to share a sack with Colson. Meanwhile Ojabo leads the country in forced fumbles. Full points for both, because you try explaining to them why they don't get full points.

#2 Hassan Haskins. Michigan's bell cow again with Corum out. Rough start, smooth finish with 31 carries for 156 yards and another 45 yards on 5 receptions. Making Michigan's garbage short yardage package work through sheer will. Ripping through linebackers on the regular. Just a miserable bastard to tackle all around.

#3 DJ Turner. Yeah PSU got him on the TD and the two point conversion but those were throws that were uncontestable, particularly the two point conversion. Turner had in fact done a terrific job to give PSU nothing but a tough ball down and to the outside; Dotson and Clifford executed it. Outside of that Turner got in two PBUs, one on the first snap and one on Dotson in the fourth quarter, while providing at least solid and usually very good coverage the rest of the day.

Honorable mention: Cade McNamara had some hiccups but put up 7.5 YPA against a very good defense. Roman Wilson scored a couple of TDs, one on a skinny post he won decisively on. Colson and Josh Ross put in yeoman work with little support for most of the day and turned in important TFLs. Brad Robbins out-dueled Jordan Stout in the punt-off.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

42: Aidan Hutchinson (HM WMU, #2 Wash, #1 Rutgers, #1 Wisc, HM Neb, #2 NW, T3 MSU, T2 IU, T1 PSU)
30: Hassan Haskins (HM WMU, T3 Wash, T2 NIU, #2 Neb, T1 NW, #1 IU, #2 PSU)
21: David Ojabo (#2 Wisc, T3 MSU, T2 IU, T1 PSU)
18: The OL (#1 Wash, #1 NIU, HM Neb, HM NW)
17: Blake Corum (#2 WMU, T3 Wash, T2 NIU, HM Neb, T1 NW)
10: Cade McNamara (#1 MSU, HM IU, HM PSU)
8: Ronnie Bell (#1 WMU), Brad Hawkins (#1 Neb),Dax Hill (#3 WMU, HM NIU, HM Rutgers, HM Wisc, HM Neb, HM MSU)
7: Brad Robbins (HM Wash, #3 Rutgers, HM Wisc, HM PSU), Josh Ross (HM Wash, HM NIU, HM Rutgers, HM Neb, HM NW, HM PSU)
6: Nikhai Hill-Green(HM NIU, #2 Rutgers), Jake Moody (HM Wash, HM Wisc, #3 Neb, HM MSU), DJ Turner (#3 NW, #3 PSU)
5: Cornelius Johnson(HM NIU, HM Wisc, #3 IU), Andrel Anthony (#2 MSU)
4: AJ Henning (HM WMU, #3 NIU), Roman Wilson (#3 Wisc, HM PSU)
3: Donovan Edwards(T2 NIU)
2: Erick All (HM NW, HM MSU), Junior Colson (HM IU, HM PSU)
1: Andrew Vastardis (HM WMU),Mike Sainristil (HM WMU), Mazi Smith (HM Wash), Gemon Green(HM NIU), Chris Hinton (HM Rutgers),  Taylor Upshaw (HM IU)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Michigan runs the Mother Of All Mesh Routes against cover one to pop Erick All open for the game-winning touchdown:

FYI, this was the biggest swing play of the week in college football, spiking Michigan's win percentage by 24%.

 

Honorable mention: Macdonald calls the Mother Of All Mesh Beaters on PSU ensuing drive; McNamara drops a dime to Wilson; the other dime to Wilson; any of various Robbins mechapunts; any of various Hutch/Ojabo pass rushes.

image​MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

McNamara is violently blindsided on third and eleven for a sack strip that eventually sends PSU ahead for the first time.

Honorable mention: Fourth and six fake punt conversion after timeout; third and seventeen conversion earlier on that drive; four different false starts put Michigan behind the eight-ball on offense.

[After THE JUMP: well it's M-PSU so we have to talk about someone deciding something absurd]

OFFENSE

Bing bang bop. Mere minutes after I broke a longstanding pledge to avoid petulant bitching on Twitter, Josh Gattis caught cover one with the Erick All crossing route above. All's guy got caught up on a teammate, helped in part by the ump, the deep safety followed a dig route, and McNamara just had to hit a crossing route in front of his face for a 47 yard touchdown.

I still don't get going empty on third and 11 when that transfer DE for PSU has already given Hayes the business.

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Hoss [Barron]

Exploring the outside. Michigan had just 46 rushing yards at halftime, but got off the mat in the second half with a series of outside runs with Haskins. These came in various flavors from pin and pull to down G to counter, but the common thread with them was that Michigan was attacking the force players from Penn State and breaking outside that contain:

Five or six second half chunk runs had this same general pattern, though they took different routes to get there.

Look back? McNamara threw two consecutive back shoulder throws that looked pretty good except for the fact that the receiver (Johnson in the first case, Wilson in the second wasn't expecting it and didn't come back for the ball. Good luck to Seth grading those.

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[Barron]

Zip. McNamara's dart to Wilson for the 21-yard touchdown was there presnap, with PSU aligning its lone deep safety on the field hash. Wilson was #1 to the boundary and was set to run a skinny post that there was no chance of that S getting over on, so once Wilson won inside on his route that was going to be there. McNamara was locked in on that route the whole play. As Seth has said: McNamara is good at seeing what's there presnap.

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Maybe Corum keeps his feet here [Barron]

Corum costs. All praise to Haskins for his workhorse performance—he touched the ball on more than half of Michigan's plays—but Michigan did miss Corum in this game. The above shot is Haskins getting taken off his feet a yard short of a first down by a marginal McNamara throw, and you have to wonder if Corum's keeping his feet there and getting an important first down. Also Michigan did not have an explosive run play; Haskins topped out at 17 yards.

You wonder about Donovan Edwards in the above situation as well. Edwards caught a lot of passes in high school. I get why you're not putting a freshman out on a critical third down deep in your own territory, I guess. But also that felt like a spot where you could have him run a slant without the world ending.

Repeated demands for a fullback. Michigan got stuffed on third and two and fourth and two in this game, and a further fourth and two was only rescued by Haskins doing Haskins things:

Michigan did seem to learn a lesson late, converting a third and one with a QB sneak instead of running a slow-developing play.

It's very frustrating to have one of the best rushing attacks in the country, statistically, and Hassan Haskins, and Jim Harbaugh, and to be struggling so badly in this department. Looking at Football Outsiders' line stats only emphasizes this. Michigan is 28th in line yards, 5th in stuff rate… and 71st in power success rate. It is baffling to be so good at preventing 0-yard-or-worse runs and so bad at converting short yardage.

DEFENSE

Mesh explosion. All credit to Macdonald for his call on PSU's final play. He guessed mesh, and PSU ran mesh, and he had two DL decapitate the mesh guys:

Meanwhile RJ Moten gets a free run because PSU is not accounting for the FS and Clifford can only heave a desperation ball at a very bad receiver on a fade on fourth and two. On the podcast I said this was RPS+2 and Seth responded "why not three" and uh okay he's got a point.

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"not again" [Barron]

In the face. On the bright side for Sean Clifford, he has potential NIL deals with bandages, painkillers, hot tubs, and panic rooms in the offing. So he's got that going for him.

Hopefully that is some comfort when he wakes up in bed 50 years from now moaning "Ojabo… not in the face… Hutchinson…aaargh." All Michigan fans were grimly familiar with the facial expressions Clifford was making on the sidelines as he tried to keep a chipper face up after being run over by trucks several times. Devin Gardner syndrome was there.

It is likely that Clifford's shaky accuracy and hair trigger in the second half were direct results of his expectation that every time he dropped back someone was going to drop an anvil on him.

Michigan had three sack-strips in this game and recovered none of them; meanwhile PSU recovered theirs. That is a large part of the discrepancy between the final score (competitive) and Bill Connelly's win expectation calculation (93% for M).

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[Barron]

Scramble QBs are frustrating. Michigan kept getting PSU in long yardage situations early and then Clifford would make something happen. The third and seventeen conversion that kicked off a very frustrating first quarter is just one of those things. As you can see above, Taylor Upshaw is about a second from sacking Clifford when he finds his crosser, who 1) got jammed by Ross but 2) got open anyway because Ross picked off Hill after the jam:

Clifford then scrambled to turn second and 22 into third and eight, which PSU then converted on a QB power.

There were a couple of plays on which Michigan was able to staple the pocket shut—Welschof shared a sack on one of those—but for much of the game it felt like Michigan's terrific pass rush DEs were getting upfield and the DTs weren't getting enough push to close off the windows those rushes opened up. Uh, except the seven times that Michigan sacked Clifford.

On that QB power. Two things: Michigan went with its pure rush package, putting Morris and Upshaw at DT. Upshaw got crushed by a double. Also both Hill and Ross followed a WR motioning outside to quads. The latter is just a bust, but the former is a bad idea against a mobile QB and may be another NFL coordinator issue. In college you've got to expect that. 

Dotson defanged. On the good side of the ledger, Michigan kept a lid on Jahan Dotson, who had just 61 yards on 9 catches. Large chunks of this was the pressure on Clifford, but when challenged Michigan DBs were generally in good position, particularly the aforementioned Turner.

Both CBs appeared to get got on the fourth down conversions on the PSU TD drive. On the first, Dotson came out of a bunch formation and sat down; Turner appeared to be the nearest guy in zone but was carrying a drag route that Ross was also on. The subsequent slant saw Dotson win inside on Gray to the point where Gray had no play on the ball.

The latter play did feature an underneath zone defender in Josh Ross, but Clifford looked at his tight end first before coming to Dotson and Ross got sent the wrong way. Was kind of wishing that the instructions on that play were "undercut Dotson slant at all costs," because I'll live with a TE slant versus that.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Blang! Punting. This game featured nine punts and nine total return yards. Average punt distance 52 for Brad Robbins, 51 for Jordan Stout. The wind helped a bit; even accounting for that we may have just seen the greatest combined punting performance in living memory. Big Ten!

Fake punt odyssey. The mystery of Michigan's timeout immediately prior to the PSU fake punt was resolved in the postgame, when Harbaugh said that Michigan had 13 guys on the field. PSU still running the fake after the timeout was, uh, bold, and it worked out largely because Quinten Johnson started looking around and stopped his feet when he could have been in good position to defend the throw.

I still feel like on fourth and six in that situation you should be in punt safe because you're not ever getting a return against PSU's punter—really, any punter. It's the plus 39! You're either fair-catching a ball on the ten or hoping it goes into the endzone, so just put your real D out with a returner and avoid the possibility of the fake entirely.

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you have learned/forgotten something about punt downing this week [Barron]

Nobody knows the punt downing rules. I don't, and you don't, and the officials don't, and Jim Harbaugh probably doesn't but he did know the one pictured above where if the punting team possesses the ball the play immediately stops even if the guy subsequently ends up in the endzone. Mike Sainristil didn't know the rule, so he tried to drop the ball he'd possessed before he went into the endzone. The officials didn't know the rule, so they said it was a touchback, and only fevered googling in the replay booth eventually overturned that call and put it on the two yard line.

This is nobody's fault. I don't know all the rules, and since I just learned this one a previous one I knew has fallen out of my head. It is impossible to know everything about downing a punt before it goes in the endzone.

MISCELLANEOUS

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[Barron]

Frames! Some traditions are unbreakable, and so whenever Michigan plays Penn State James Franklin will do something goofy, Jim Harbaugh will one-up him, and then Franklin will slam the ace of spades on the table. The punt goofery fulfilled the first two parts of the ritual, and the above sealed the deal. The above is a fake field goal on which PSU probably did fool Michigan's kick defense, but it did not matter because all that did is give a kicker a three-yard head start against scholarship Michigan defensive backs including Dax Hill.

Penn State was deeply fortunate that one guy was in position to tackle Hill at the 29; otherwise that was going to be a touchdown the other way.

HERE

Best and Worst:

After gaining 141 yards on their first 3 drives, it was PSU that proceeded to struggle moving the ball with any consistency.  For the rest of the game they were 3/13 on 3rd down (and 4/6 on 4th down), picking up a total of 191 yards over their next 8 drives while Michigan was able to grind out 250 yards on their remaining 8 drives and converted on 6/13 3rd downs.  And that’s a big difference between this Michigan team and years past; they have shown resiliency and consistency when faced with adversity, especially on the road.  I know some will rush to the comments to point out how they lost in East Lansing, but they also fought back against Nebraska on the road when they had every reason to give that up and they also stood tall against PSU after that hellacious first quarter and then that disastrous TD-fumble-FG series.

State of our Open Threads:

We managed 285 fucks given in the thread, which is comparable to the 299 given during the Nebraska game. Similarly, we gave 122 shits, which is similar to the Nebraska game as well. Here's what that looks like graphically:

Especially with "fuck", it's beginning to look like almost every season save for last years, which was strange because of COVID restrictions. The non-conference schedule is mostly quiet, then about 2-3 games into the conference schedule, a spike, then MSU, then a dip, then a PSU-like game, then of course, Ohio State and the board descending into fuckery.

Comments

ShadowStorm33

November 15th, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^

That's the NFL, not NCAA, rule. In college, it seems to be that you're (essentially?) always allowed to make contact with the receiver within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage:

"It is not defensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-III and 7-3-9-III): 1. When, after the snap, opposing players immediately charge and establish contact with opponents at a point that is within one yard beyond the neutral zone."

However, it also seems that in many cases you can also contact the receiver beyond one yard:

"It is not defensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-III and 7-3-9-III): . . . 3. When a Team B player legally contacts an opponent before the pass is thrown (A.R. 7-3-8-III and X)."

So the question then becomes what is the definition of "legally contact?" Here are the examples the above rule cites:

"III. A83, a wide receiver 10 yards from the nearest interior lineman, slants toward the middle of the field. Before the ball is thrown, B1, a back, legally blocks him and knocks him down. RULING: Legal unless the block was below the waist (Rule 9-1-6)."

"X. Before the pass is thrown, wide receiver A88 and defender B1 are running shoulder to shoulder and side by side 15 yards beyond the neutral zone. A88 is nearest to the sideline, and B1 is nearest to the hash mark. A88 breaks to the inside. B1 does not move, and A88 collides with him. RULING: No foul because the ball has not been thrown."

At least reading these, it seems like a lot of contact is permissible (assuming it's not holding--that's not defensive pass interference, but it is its own penalty (defensive holding)) as long as it's before the pass is thrown. So I guess these pre-pass "blocks" for lack of a better term are fine as long as they're done before the ball is thrown...

Link to the NCAA Rules

BlueinLansing

November 15th, 2021 at 1:46 PM ^

Michigan contacted both crossing receivers within 5yds of the line of scrimmage, one violently. 

 

Ohio State will have the ability to hit that over the top, MSU did so similarly on a 4th and 1 in EL.  Clifford was to shell shocked and his best receiver was sitting on the bench dizzy from the last hit to do anything but chuck one out of bounds.

ColoradoBlue

November 15th, 2021 at 2:00 PM ^

Those mesh routes are typically under 5 yards from the LOS.  I'm pretty sure you can beat the hell out of the receiver within 5 yards as long as you don't hold and the ball isn't in the air.

Win or lose, if I can see one or more OSU receivers get their fillings knocked out by one of our D-linemen, it will be glorious.

Teeba

November 15th, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^

The JDue51 tweet is the perfect example for why Don Brown is not coaching here anymore.  Brown never adjusted to mesh. Macdonald sent two interior defensive linemen into coverage to absolutely obliterate both crossing receivers. Make sure you watch it a couple times so you can see both receivers get knocked off their routes.

1VaBlue1

November 15th, 2021 at 1:32 PM ^

I watched it, probably, 10 times!  Watching the WR on the right side get blown up and go end over end was just glorious!  And it's very apparent that Clifford just threw that up to avoid the rush.  He saw Moten coming, and just turned and floated that ball out there half-heartedly.  He was done.

1VaBlue1

November 15th, 2021 at 1:28 PM ^

Dare I say, this Brian-authored football article appears to be positive!  Perhaps his perma-BPONE is beginning to subside?  Meh, probably not...

So, is there any chance that OSU's tackles are as bad as Iowa, MSU, Wisconsin, and PSU's tackles?

Gustavo Fring

November 15th, 2021 at 2:19 PM ^

They were apparently the top offensive line according to PFF in the article Brian linked to.  Lol.  Zero pressures on 38 passes, and Purdue does have a star defensive end.  
Should be a fun matchup with Aidan and Ojabo. Them whopping OSU’s OL like this or MSU to the point that it neuters the passing attack is unlikely though I think. 

Gulogulo37

November 16th, 2021 at 9:49 AM ^

Yeah OSU's tackles are not like PSU's. Definitely going to be one of the keys to the game. Can Michigan get enough pressure and force Stroud to make mistakes, get sacks, rattle Stroud, etc. Our CBs aren't bad, but they're not as good as PSU's CBs and OSU still carved them up pretty good. If Stroud just gets to sit back and process, Michigan is screwed.

michengin87

November 15th, 2021 at 2:24 PM ^

Indeed, great summary by Brian...  Grass and Splintered Bone.  Oh my!

I don't think OSU's tackles are any better than the other Big Ten's teams.  OSU's defense has given up more points in conference than UM, PSU, WI and Iowa.

We can also hope that the slugfest in Columbus this weekend leaves a few guys looking like Sean Clifford before we meet up with them for The Game.  It's going to be tough if all of the injured offensive players are on UM's bench.

M-Dog

November 15th, 2021 at 6:32 PM ^

OSU's defense has given up more points in conference than UM, PSU, WI and Iowa.

But they have outscored everybody in conference by more than 100 points.

They gave up 31 points to Purdue and still beat them by four touchdowns.

Yikes.  We are going to need to put up some serious points.

 

stephenrjking

November 15th, 2021 at 1:29 PM ^

The eternal question: How do we evaluate credit and blame for the offense under Harbaugh.

Harbaugh made this hard from the beginning with his "playcalling by committee" approach in the Fisch era. Gattis calls all the plays now, but an offensive-minded HC is going to provide some input to the offense in any major coaching staff. And the OL coach is going to provide running game input, too. 

So, Michigan attacked the contain guys in the running game successfully in the second half. Who made that adjustment? Because that was an excellent adjustment. The problem is that we don't know.

The two Roman Wilson TDs. A definite change-up from what we've seen in the past--Michigan has barely shown anything like either of those all year, and suddenly Cade is throwing strikes into the middle of the field for TDs. That's a huge upgrade from what our offense has been producing. 

Is this Weiss, finally giving Cade the confidence to make a downfield throw down the middle in compressed space? Is it Harbaugh, pulling the right strings? Is it Gattis, drawing up perfect plays and calling them at the right moments?

Why is Michigan's mediocre under center package so mediocre? Is it a reluctant creation at Harbaugh's behest? Was it the brainchild of Josh Gattis to make QB sneaks an actual possibility? 

The problem is that we can't say these things with certainty.

But we can say that the passing game is improving. Unquestionably. And that the team was able to run in key situations. And that the mesh cross for a TD was a great call. We can also say that the offense, again, just didn't show up for big chunks of the second half when a scoring drive could have put the game into "control" mode, and that the pre-snap penalties were really bad penalties to take given how Michigan wants to move the ball. 

But mostly we can say that Michigan won and PSU lost and this looks a lot better than I expected the season to look. So far. So far, so good.

True Blue in CO

November 15th, 2021 at 1:32 PM ^

The success of the McNamara QB sneaks validates Seth's comments in the PodCast that you need to have 2 threats to run in short yardage to be successful.  We may need to have more QB sneaks just to open up the running back option a little more.  Agree with Brian that we need to get a fullback in the future.

We should also be thankful we have relatively undamaged quarterback in November.  Maybe the lack of early season Cade runs is due to planning for the long-haul of the season.

wile_e8

November 15th, 2021 at 1:37 PM ^

For the Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week, I feel like the final possession needs an Honorable Mention. Too many painful Harbaugh losses (particularly early in his tenure) involved getting the ball back late, only needing a first down or two to run out the clock, and then going three and out. This time, we got the ball back with ~3:00 left, ran the ball every time, and picked up two first downs and kneeled out the clock. That was different and I enjoyed it. 

Blue Vet

November 15th, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^

Quelle réponse de Michigan in the game ! And quelle réponse de Brian after the game !

But no "explosive run plays"?

Granted, there were few long run plays but it felt as if on every third Haskins run, he exploded around, past, or through PSU. That felt very explosive to me.

gbdub

November 15th, 2021 at 1:54 PM ^

On short yardage - the "heavy" package is not buying the offense anything at all (other than in QB sneak scenarios where "wall of meat lurches 2 feet forward" is all you need). 

Why are they adding extra blockers and inviting everyone on the field into the box? Nobody they are adding to the line is particularly good at winning those blocks. Haskins is a beast but even he can't be expected to teleport through nonexistent gaps and push forward a pile of bodies consisting of literally the entire defense. 

Meanwhile, he essentially never loses yardage on standard running plays, even when everyone in the stadium knows a run is coming (Haskins ran on the first play of 10 of 11 drives). Give him any kind of gap and he gets 4 or 5 yards minimum. Give him no gap but only one guy to tackle him and he'll fall forward for 1 or 2. 

Throw out the "short yardage" package that seems to be less likely to gain 2 yards than their standard set (even when the D is prepared for a run).

ak47

November 15th, 2021 at 2:26 PM ^

We also need to be willing to throw it if you have Cade out there as a non run threat. A 2nd and 2 still has a throw threat, nobody believes we are going to throw the ball on 4th and 2 and that makes defending the run easier. 

Of course should be no need to break that out of the cupboard against MD

gbdub

November 15th, 2021 at 3:25 PM ^

It seems like the perfect opportunity to call one of those "TE makes a token block then leaks into a route" plays. Or a bootleg. Or run any sort of play that goes opposite the pulling action. But you can't do any of that from the "Max Meat" set.

Agree though - we're telegraphing "handoff" anyway, so Cade adds nothing to the play. Do a direct snap to Haskins and put a lead blocker or another run option in the backfield with him. 

J. Redux

November 15th, 2021 at 1:58 PM ^

OK, I'm just going to swallow my pride and use this second account after all.

The fake field goal was a pass.  That's what Franklin was so upset about; he wanted a holding call on Michigan for impeding the intended receiver.  That weird motion he made on the sideline was pantomiming somebody getting pulled back.

I'm not saying it was a good idea to call a fake field goal, as opposed to using your base offense, but the play call was never to have the kicker try to outrun Michigan's defense.

PS: there is no five-yard chuck rule in college.  You can make contact with receivers downfield until the pass is in the air, as long as you don't hold them.  Illegal contact is an NFL-only rule.

J. Redux

November 15th, 2021 at 3:46 PM ^

Yes, #44 is definitely the one I meant.  I do think he turned the wrong way; maybe there was some kind of option on?  If he were trying to catch a pass, he should have turned to the left, but he turned to the right.  Maybe that's what Franklin was upset about (although, in looking at it. the Michigan player bumped him but certainly didn't seem to hold him).

I mean, everything else about the play sets it up as a pass, from the fact that the initial toss from the holder was a backwards pass to the fact that the kicker never tried to turn upfield.

If #44 is trying to block, I don't understand running past one Michigan player to get to a guy three yards deep in the end zone, who was 10 yards away from the play at that point.

But, the more often I watch the play, the less sure I am.  So, maybe Franklin designed a fake field goal run to score from the 25 and then ran it from the 2, which is the only way that block would make sense.

ShadowStorm33

November 15th, 2021 at 4:00 PM ^

Looks like I missed some comments while writing my own.

I mean, everything else about the play sets it up as a pass, from the fact that the initial toss from the holder was a backwards pass to the fact that the kicker never tried to turn upfield.

I disagree with this entire sentence. First, the initial pass was definitely not "backwards." The holder was on the 10 yard line, and threw from just in front of it. When the ball reached the kicker, his back foot was on the 10 yard line, and he caught the ball in front it of. At best it's a lateral, dangerously close to a forward pass that (as I mentioned below) would have negated any ability to pass it again. Second, the kicker absolutely turned upfield after catching. He caught it just in front of the 10 and was around the 8 before he turned back, about to be blasted by one of our defenders.

If #44 is trying to block, I don't understand running past one Michigan player to get to a guy three yards deep in the end zone, who was 10 yards away from the play at that point.

This makes perfect sense. You let the first guy go thinking he'll be going after the kick (and thus take himself out of the play), and go to block someone farther behind the line going after the kicker running for the end zone.

But, the more often I watch the play, the less sure I am.  So, maybe Franklin designed a fake field goal run to score from the 25 and then ran it from the 2, which is the only way that block would make sense.

I've watched this play a ton now, and this is the only reasonable conclusion I can come to. If it was going to be a double pass, the kicker should have been farther back on the catch, to make sure it's not forward, as well as to give him more time to get off the second pass, and the end should have been looking for the ball once he got into the end zone. This was just a bad fake to the kicker (at least somewhat badly executed, but given the (lack of) speed of the kicker also pretty poorly designed)...

J. Redux

November 15th, 2021 at 5:17 PM ^

OK, so the nice thing about this conversation is that I get to watch PSU fail over and over again. :)

You are correct that it is closer to a forward pass than I initially thought.  It does appear to be backwards, although I actually don't see any official making a backwards pass signal.  That said, I assume that this call belongs to either the head linesman or the line judge, and I don't see either of them due to the camera angle.  But, the kicker retreating to the 12 would make my case a lot stronger.

And, OK, yes, the kicker did turn upfield at first, but only for about a step, and then he immediately went sideways.

As for blocking targets -- I can see letting the first guy go (looks like Vincent Gray), I guess, although you have to figure that the edge rusher there is probably among Michigan's fastest players.  (And, as it turned out, he made the play).  You're hoping that he dives in front of a holder that's already stood up, I guess.  It's not impossible, but it's odd.

But if he's blocking Brad Hawkins -- and maybe he is -- he is running right past Dax Hill to do so.  Yes, Hawkins is further to the field, and maybe he could catch up with the kicker at the pylon.  But Dax has make-up speed, and it doesn't matter whether or not Hawkins can get to the corner if Dax gets to the kicker first.

In fact, at the three second mark of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6bQJA1Y-7g , I count six Michigan players in the frame, four of whom have an angle to make the tackle, and two PSU players.

Given that, the only way that this play could have succeeded would have been if it was a double pass, or if Michigan was entirely asleep at the wheel / selling out for the block.  But nobody sells out for the block on a 19-yard field goal, and you had already run a successful fake punt on the previous drive, so you have to assume that the special teams unit had been reminded to stay awake.  There's simply no way that the kicker was going to be able to outrun that many Michigan players.

But, yeah, I concede that the more I watch it, the more I think I agree that it was just a really, really poorly designed running play, run from a place on the field where it never could have worked against anybody with a pulse.  At best it was an RPO and the kicker very much chose poorly.

MGolem

November 15th, 2021 at 3:27 PM ^

I obviously don’t know for certain but I am a very good lip reader and it appears Franklin was disappointed where the holder tossed the ball as in its location as it reached the kicker; he was pantomiming the ball being behind him saying something about his hip. It was a run play but the ball placement, and chance of success was poor. 

ShadowStorm33

November 15th, 2021 at 3:48 PM ^

The fake field goal was a pass.  That's what Franklin was so upset about; he wanted a holding call on Michigan for impeding the intended receiver.  That weird motion he made on the sideline was pantomiming somebody getting pulled back.

I'm sorry, I've been watching the clip of the fake FG over and over again, and for the life of me I can't understand this comment (you are talking about the fake FG, right?). Can you explain?

First, I can't see any holding whatsoever. Two potential receivers release, the kicker (98) and the left end (44). Both release cleanly and without being touched, so definitely no holding there. (As an aside, I feel like the play had a much better chance of success if the holder had targeted the end (44) instead of the kicker. Even with the head start, the kicker was dead to rights as the Michigan defenders had more than enough speed to recover. Although the holder would have had to have gotten the pass over/through a number of defenders, the end was essentially open in the end zone, though the holder never even looked his way.).

Are you trying to say the play call was a double pass, i.e. the kicker wasn't trying to run to the end zone but rather pass it to another player (likely the end above)? A couple things there. First, that pass to the kicker was dangerously close to being a forward pass, which would have made a second forward pass illegal (double passes are only allowed if the first pass is lateral or backwards). Second, I can't see any indication that this is the case. The kicker certainly made no indication he was actually trying to throw the ball; he looked like he was running all the way. And the end that released into the end zone looked like he was simply a lead blocker. He never turned around to look for the ball (until he was spun around by contact with an M defender), and even that, which is the only thing even coming close to a potential hold, was just clean contact by a defender against a blocker (and even if the end was a receiver, it's still allowed because the ball hadn't been thrown by the kicker yet).

So yeah, I'd love to hear you expound on your thoughts here, because I'm just confused.

 

 

 

dragonchild

November 15th, 2021 at 1:58 PM ^

Speaking of splintered bone, I was worried about Haskins because he took a lot of punishing hits in this game.  It's dangerous to assume a very tough man who looks invincible is in fact invincible, when he's really a mortal with insanely high pain tolerance.  Damage is damage, and hits hurt both ways.  He may not look injured, or play like he's injured, but he's definitely feeling this game.  I hope we won't have to lean on him as much against Maryland.

And it wasn't fun watching Clifford die.  I would've found profundity in Brian's point about honoring one's opponent twenty years ago, but I'm now an old man who's read too much about CTE.  This kind of felt like war, real war, not the backhanded glorification in the movies.  He was still in one piece -- thank FSM for the difference between sports and real conflict -- but FFS the looks on Clifford's face were something out of Willie and Joe.  Then his passes started sailing aimlessly.  That didn't feel like vicarious accomplishment; that felt like watching an autopsy on someone who was still alive.  And yet it also felt necessary.  After watching Clifford-to-Dotson on their 8-point TD drive, it was clear we needed to break that man to win.  If he was still as locked in on the final drive as he was just two drives earlier, we lose.  Acknowledging that was horrible, because it really felt like too much violence for a game.