Moore looking at Seahawks Clint Hurtt for DC.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Hurtt
Quick Google search of his career finds it to be not be a particularly impressive career thus far. If this is what he is looking at…yikes.
January 28th, 2024 at 10:10 AM ^
He didn't pass through fire and death, to bandy crooked words with a witless worm.
-Gandalf
January 28th, 2024 at 7:23 AM ^
If you take the first sentence and put it last, then taken literally the quote offers the board immense hope from these ramblings.
“…full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, …and is heard no more”
But strangely, this quote is by a mad man who is rambling on while lamenting the futility of life, after having murdered a family and committing many other treacherous deeds in pursuit of absolute power.
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What could this all mean…
January 27th, 2024 at 11:55 PM ^
I saw a crappy speculation article on this, with the logic being that they were teammates. I can’t get excited for this at all.
January 28th, 2024 at 3:14 AM ^
i assume this speculation referenced them coaching on the same louisville staff, not them playing as teammates.
any decision other than finding/promoting a sharp coach who can install and manipulate the same scheme theyve been running during this historic run is dead wrong. theyve had quite a few pros out there executing on the field but their current system clearly did its work too. the new DCs name doesnt matter as much if theyre energetic, enjoy recruiting, try to maintain current scheme
January 28th, 2024 at 12:05 AM ^
Mostly coached defensive line.
January 28th, 2024 at 12:12 AM ^
My God.. Were going away from the amoeba defense???? We cannot do this. Seriously.
January 28th, 2024 at 12:44 AM ^
Trevor McCue • Maize&BlueReview put together a story on a bunch of candidates Moore "should" interview for the DC position and Hurtt was one of them. It's on Michigan Rivals' page.
If Moore is seriously thinking about Hurtt as a serious candidate, then it is not a good start for him.
January 28th, 2024 at 12:50 AM ^
I’m always a little concerned about any coach who has spent that much time in the NFL because they are used to having an off-season. In college you get a couple of dead periods, but the rest of the time you’re coaching or recruiting. At least he’s still young enough to get after it and it may not be an issue.
January 28th, 2024 at 1:57 AM ^
They renamed "dead period." They are now called "tampering time."
January 28th, 2024 at 1:00 AM ^
Isn't this thread locked yet?!
January 28th, 2024 at 1:05 AM ^
It will be deleted by the mods in the morning.
In the mean time have a go! Bring out your best insults.
January 28th, 2024 at 1:12 AM ^
Yea this would be a terrible decision. He is not a good DC, at all. This better not be true
January 28th, 2024 at 1:22 AM ^
You need to stop making posts every time you read something on the Edge of the Internet. In fact, continually doing this should be ban worthy. You think you’re breaking news but you’re not.
1) Reporting casual and unsubstantiated posts there weren’t intended to be broadcast is nothing more than rumor mongering. No mainstream sources have backed any of this up.
2) They have asked people not to cross reference and post on other boards, yet you’ve continued to do so. There is a reason your other post got taken down.
January 28th, 2024 at 1:51 AM ^
First off, don’t be so sensitive. Cut the “ban worthy” bullshit. Second, he is actually enlightening folks on what rumors are out there so people like you can understand who Moore is lookin at. Thirdly, it’s not just “edge of the internet” stuff, Sam Webb literally made a post on him a couple hours ago on 247 stating such. So you may not like his antics or negativity, but he’s not wrong in his “assumption” if you will. And frankly, he’s right. Hurtt would be a bad choice for DC. Seattle can’t wait to get rid of him..
January 28th, 2024 at 7:56 AM ^
I agree with most of your post, but .....
"They have asked people not to cross reference and post on other boards ..."
MGoBlog posts routinely link to ESPN, UM Hoops, and numerous other sports-related sites. Serious question: Why should the "edge" be exempted? Is there a fear that various nuggets of conversation will be taken offline? Possibly.
I'd highly recommend a visit to the site, by the way. Signal:Noise is brutal, but it's interesting. It would remind old-timers of the MLive days.
January 28th, 2024 at 1:31 PM ^
I think the issue is that the major source on there is an insider from a paid site who is leaking his own material for free and too much publicity could result in him losing access/his job
January 28th, 2024 at 1:26 AM ^
I'm sure right now Moore is going office to office asking every assistant coach, "hey, did Jim leave the secret list of DC names that run the Wink system with you?"
No, no, no....
January 28th, 2024 at 2:16 AM ^
We wouldn't give Harbaugh assurances about Burgergate (until he was already out in LA signing with someone else), yet we are going to hire someone who had a two-year show cause penalty, who has primarily coached DL (we already have Elston), and whose two years as DC have apparently been very bad? *Trying to stay positive, trying to stay positive....*
January 28th, 2024 at 8:44 AM ^
Surprised I had to scroll this far to see his show cause mentioned. This dude was literally the bagman for Miami. Not sure that’s good or bad now that it’s legal
January 28th, 2024 at 2:25 AM ^
Well, who knows if this is true , but i hope this does not come to fruition. I have not been impressed with the Seahawks defense at all…they have been awful
January 28th, 2024 at 3:12 AM ^
I’m guessing Moore and this guy might have the same agent. Hoping that’s the only connection here.
January 28th, 2024 at 4:40 AM ^
They crossed paths at Louisville. Listen to the Sam Webb presser recap.
January 28th, 2024 at 5:10 AM ^
He is a current DC in the NFL. He must have impressed a few people along the way and has a long NFL history at age 45. They are most likely interviewing several candidates.
January 28th, 2024 at 8:07 AM ^
I’m more concerned about him being exclusively an NFL guy for the last 10 years.
Does he simply want a job rather than this job?
And I think a lot of us need to pump the brakes on the outrage. It was like this when Macdonald’s name was first mentioned.
January 28th, 2024 at 7:53 AM ^
When Deboer took over Alabama, didn’t he hire a couple of sitting head coaches to be his coordinators? That sounds much better than a fired NFL retread guy. Moore may lose some goodwill with this, if it is Hurtt.
January 28th, 2024 at 8:12 AM ^
One. Kane Wommack from South Alabama.
I guess the equivalent to that that has been kicked around here a bit would be Joe Moorhead from Akron as offensive coordinator. I can see the logic behind that. Great success in the Big Ten when he was at Penn State and some head coaching experience that could help the new guy.
January 28th, 2024 at 8:22 AM ^
Womack is Co-DC with Moe Linquist. They were both HCs.
January 28th, 2024 at 7:54 AM ^
What did Minter and MacDonald do before they came to us?
January 28th, 2024 at 8:34 AM ^
Familiarity with the defense that won a national championship
January 28th, 2024 at 10:18 AM ^
They can't be familiar with our championship defense before they created our defense. That is the point.
Neither had special resumes when hired and many people bitched about hiring Macdonald specifically.
January 28th, 2024 at 9:10 AM ^
At this point it doesn't matter what they did before they came to Michigan but the results since. Michigan was at a low point on the defense side of the ball when MacDonald joined the staff so a risk was warranted and it paid off. Going away from the Raven system would be a huge risk and if doesn't pay off then the finger pointing would be placed firmly on this poor choice.
January 28th, 2024 at 9:45 AM ^
I don't disagree, but the MacDonald -> Minter transition definitely had concerns about Minter because of how poorly his defenses performed at Vanderbilt. It was an open question whether that was a testament to Minter, or whether it was a testament to the overwhelming talent disadvantages that Vanderbilt constantly faces. The results on Minter are clear - with equal talent, he kicks ass.
I agree that the Ravens system must stay in place on some level, but I do think that incoming coordinator performance is pretty difficult to judge.
January 28th, 2024 at 8:14 AM ^
Not impressed with him as a DC. I don't see how we would run the amoeba defense with him unless he was made Co-DC.
Regardless, it would be a very underwhelming hire.
January 28th, 2024 at 8:42 AM ^
I'll ignore the OP's general unsavoriness and just point out that Hurtt doesn't seem unimpressive, at least to me. He's 45 years old and went from a GA at Miami, then moved his way up the college ranks to make it to position coach with the Bears and then up the Seattle tree to being DC. Seattle's been an average league defense under him but that has as much to do with roster issues as anything schematic. But he's been in college for years, I assume doesn't mind recruiting, and is still pretty young and motivated.
Now schematically my concern is with the fact they might be moving to a more classic 3-4 (that was what he ran in Seattle), and that might not be the optimal mix of players to scheme, but that's a bigger question anyway since Orr is the only Raven-type coach out there people could reasonably expect familiarity with what the last two DCs ran.
EDIT: I'll add that the show-cause penalties were from 2013, so I guess we'll see how those are handled a decade+ later. I'm honestly not sure if there's some statute of limitations on them or not; if they are still in effect then I'd be shocked if UM tried to hire him since they're already under the eye of the NCAA and I doubt they'd get the OK for their advanced measures.
January 28th, 2024 at 9:05 AM ^
Ignoring sal is always a good idea … he loves attention lol
January 28th, 2024 at 9:14 AM ^
As a Seahawks fan and Michigan fan this is something I do not want. It’s always hard to tell with Pete Carrol coordinators how much of it is Pete dictating what he wants them to do, but I still do not want. The hawks defensive should have been a strong point this year and it was utterly dissappointing.
January 28th, 2024 at 9:25 AM ^
If Sherrone Moore learned anything with Harbaugh, it's that you count on your assistants, but that means you have to let them go if it isn't working, friends or no.
January 28th, 2024 at 10:32 AM ^
Or just not hire them to begin with. No need to waste the epic 2024 defense and then saying oops, it's not working with this underwhelming guy who is my friend
January 28th, 2024 at 9:25 AM ^
go google jesse minter’s pre-michigan resume.
January 28th, 2024 at 10:18 AM ^
Am I missing something? Minter’s résumé looks much more impressive than Hurtt’s. Minter coached 4 years at the Ravens following 6 years of being a defensive coordinator at small D1 schools. In one of those years, Minter was nominated for the Broyles Award. He then spent a year after the Ravens as Vanderbilt’s DC.
Hurtt spent 9 years as a d-line coach in college before a show-cause penalty caused him to jump to the NFL. He then worked his way up to Seattle’s DC, where he’s been the last 2 years. This year, Seattle’s defense allowed the 3rd most yards per game and 8th most points per game in the NFL. He also has no familiarity with the scheme that Michigan’s defense has run the last 3 years.
January 28th, 2024 at 9:43 AM ^
Sam Webb and others have suggested hiring someone outside the Raven's system does not mean we are switching systems. Elston and Clink, if we can retain them, would work with the new hire to implement our current system.
January 28th, 2024 at 9:47 AM ^
But at that point, why not just promote Clink to DC? I don't understand going outside the Ravens system if the position coaches are going to have to do training.
January 28th, 2024 at 10:00 AM ^
Yea, it makes no sense. The defensive coordinator essentially becomes a middle man between the coaches who are actually implementing the system and the players.
January 28th, 2024 at 10:46 AM ^
Right. Why hire someone who isn't familiar with the system instead of promoting those who are?
January 28th, 2024 at 9:54 AM ^
I guess I don’t get the point of hiring a defensive coordinator if he has to learn Michigan’s scheme once he gets here. Like, why even hire him in the first place? What value would he bring?
If Michigan wants to continue using this scheme, wouldn’t it make more sense to hire someone already familiar with it?
January 28th, 2024 at 10:24 AM ^
Some insiders have suggested that Clink may not have aspirations to be the playcaller.
Familiarity with scheme and playcalling are also two different aspects. There are a bunch of reasons that we would simply have to guess at with our limited knowledge.
People complained when Moore was promoted to OL coach, people complained about Jaybaugh, people complained when we retained Harbaugh, people complained when we hired Macdonald.
We are just making guesses. I will trust Moore's decisions UNTIL they have proven to be bad.
January 28th, 2024 at 3:08 PM ^
It's a big boy job, and off the wall decisions come with questions. Moore knows that. Nobody is beyond reproach, especially not a first time HC looking to hire someone who is not exactly lighting it up. If they didn't know each other, it'd maybe seem better? now it feels like familiarity vs talent. And I know you like to downvote everyone who doesnt agree wholeheartedlywith you, and I think you are entitled to your opinion. But so am I and the rest of the board.
January 28th, 2024 at 11:15 AM ^
Hire a coordinator and make him run a system he's not familiar with?
I've seen that movie before, and I didn't like the ending.
January 28th, 2024 at 10:11 AM ^
Why are people negging him ? This seems relevant info to the DC search.