OT: OSU (NTOSU) QB Chiles in portal, receiving ballz to MSU
December 4th, 2023 at 12:28 PM ^
Yeah MSU is coming out of this season in a much better place. Hate to see it
December 4th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^
Ummm - the bar to improve from last year is set real damn low!
December 4th, 2023 at 12:36 PM ^
Victory for MSU! Clearing the bar is don’t participate in phone sex with a rape survivor.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:48 PM ^
Non consensual phone sex. On work resources.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:50 PM ^
How? Rich rod just went to MSU.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:28 PM ^
This will help them, but it won't be a program changing pick up.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^
I don't think a competent MSU, long-term, should be an awful surprise. They've got steep barriers to really good, though, in a reconfigured B1G.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:40 PM ^
Jonathan Smith is perfect for them. I think this Tucker affair has brought Sparties a bit back to reality that Dantonio era of championships was a once in a lifetime confluence of events. I think we'll see them level off to a perennial, annoying, 7ish win team with the occasional 10 win/B1G title run season if they're particularly senior heavy, and occasional 4-5ish win year if they're not deep.
Basically what they were for most of the 80s and 90s.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:50 PM ^
I think we'll see them level off to a perennial, annoying, 7ish win team with the occasional 10 win/B1G title run season
Not sure about a 10 win season from them with the four PAC10 teams heading our way. IMHO, they will need a good team along with an easy schedule; possibly getting some luck when the normally heavy weight team on their schedule is having a down year.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:55 PM ^
They aren't attractive to TV so unlike UM which got thrown with USC Oregon and Washington right away they will probably at most play 1 of those 3 a season. And UCLA ain't anything right now.
They also rotate AWAY from playing OSU and PSU yearly so who is better than OSU of the Pac 12 teams annually (none) - advantage MSU. Who is better than PSU annually - maybe Oregon and USC. So getting out the east is a big advantage for them even if they occasionally run into an Oregon.
If you came to me at MSU and say we are taking away Ohio State most years and PSU most years and you will get a rotation of UCLA, Oregon, Washington, USC to replace them you take that every time.
This goes for EVERY team in the B10 East not named Michigan or Ohio State.
People forget but Washington has not been elite for a long time - Willingham they were awful, Sarkisian they were .500, Peterson they were good - we will see how they do without Penix. Oregon I think will be good long term and USC just hired UCLA's really good DC so will be dangerous. UCLA is Maryland level at this point.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:47 PM ^
If Deboer stays at Washington, their prospects are solid to remain in that good to very good range.
December 4th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^
Yeah. People need to keep in mind that in the future Big Ten, you're only going to play nine of 17 conference opponents, so your annual schedule difficulty could be totally variable from year to year.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:51 PM ^
Problem for them in the portal era some of those guys who were 5th year seniors with Dantoni will be leaving for highest bidders.
See Coleman, Keon.
But yeah man with their TV money and donor base there is no reason it shouldn't be 7-9 win team annually with once a decade above and below.
Right now they are pretty destitute on talent on offense aside the RB from Connecticut. I don't see anyone who would start for a top 20 level team. On defense they have some good young ones like their LB Hall. But that whole offense is rebuild from scratch
December 4th, 2023 at 12:41 PM ^
They're gonna need a bunch of better O-linemen and right now they've got ...? ? ?
December 4th, 2023 at 12:56 PM ^
Iowa scored more (regular season) PPG than MSU. Yessh.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:08 PM ^
^^^^^. This. Their QB will need an OL and receiving corps. Improvement - at the QB position - perhaps, yes.
In the B1G East this season, the only team with a worse record than the green & white was… Indiana.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^
It’s not healthy for a QB to get hit on every play.
MSU is losing almost everyone on an OL that was not very good to begin with.
Its not easy to rebuild an entire OL with depth fro pm scratch.
December 4th, 2023 at 3:03 PM ^
And a good quarterback can be turned into a very bad quarterback when the rest of the offense is subpar. Smith has a lot of work to do.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:28 PM ^
MSU is several years away from fielding a competitive roster, with a coach who does not understand MSU's institutional philosophy -- poor guy believes in teamwork and positive energy rather than the fuel of disrespekt. I'm not losing sleep over any quarterback they might get while they're not having bowl practices because they couldn't even qualify for the Mayonnaise Bowl.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^
I am not worried about MSU on the field in the short run, but I do hope that Smith can turn their culture around and make them respectable in that regard.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:55 PM ^
Why? Honest question....I hope they become an even bigger crater of a program. Don't give them the dignity they don't deserve.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:02 PM ^
Honestly paraphrasing the great Alan Haller - for the sake of the health of Michigan's players.
OSU and Michigan go at it with NFL players galore but play clean games. MSU with lesser players goes for our players' health.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:34 PM ^
Every year. Their fans (the majority that I can see, anyhow) don't care. I literally got an "I really don't care" response from a Sparty family member, when I compared the quality of human beings on Michigan, vs MSU. The only thing they care about, is winning. Nothing else matters.
December 4th, 2023 at 5:19 PM ^
Yeah, I would say that not having a team with such deep-seated hatred in their hearts will likely result in fewer attempts to injure when playing them. And fewer assaults after games.
And there will always be families that have been raised in this state to be Spartan fans. It would be nice if those kids got to grow up actually looking up to decent human beings.
Of course I still want us to beat them every year.
December 5th, 2023 at 7:35 AM ^
Nah, they should just become Michigan fans. State made their bed...
December 4th, 2023 at 12:58 PM ^
They're 98th per Rivals (right behind UConn BTW), with 7 '24 commitments. Even with some moderate success in the portal (not a given), they've got serious ground to make up in recruiting. Chances are, they'll really be scouring the portal depth just to round out their roster next year.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:05 PM ^
Can Smith even recruit without gold chains cigars and pit bullz?????????
He was a pretty shitty recruiter @ OSU but they probably had little to no NIL money either.
The only thing Tugger did other than get lucky with Walker is started to improve their recruiting - they had their best class since the infamous 2016 disaster. Smith recruits in the 50-70s generally. Again that will improve at MSU with the money they will throw at kids but how much is to be seen.
December 4th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^
It will be a good test case of whether recruiting is only NIL or if any other factors are relevant. Smith has no Midwest recruiting connections so they are going to be forced into outbidding everyone in order to win those battles
December 4th, 2023 at 12:29 PM ^
If he has a smart advisor they would tell him to wait. Got to think he could go somewhere better. Auburn, FSU, Oregon. Basically whoever doesn’t get Cam Ward.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:30 PM ^
Good luck behind that Sparty offensive line next year...
December 4th, 2023 at 12:31 PM ^
Assuming he goes to MSU it's a good get but he looked...fine at Oregon St but that's a much better team than the one he'll be joining in East Lansing. I think MSU is a bowl team next year but in the 6-6 range, and anyone expecting a quick turnaround hasn't really checked out MSU's depth chart.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:01 PM ^
A bowl team is a HUGE turnaround. Id give that coach a lot of props for that accomplishment. This new Big Ten is going to be much better. Big Ten championships will be unicorns the next couple decades. I really dont see OSU/UM taking 8 of 10 every decade going forward. Its just a simple matter of numbers.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:07 PM ^
I think 6-6 mostly because they've been so incompetently coached the past couple of years that they've allowed 2-3 wins a year to slip away. MSU's schedule next year looks reasonable - their OOC is FAU, BC, and ULL, and I'm not sold Maryland, Iowa, IU, Illinois, Purdue, or Rutgers are demonstrably better than them. They're going to lose to OSU, UM, and Oregon but I think they can pull 6 wins out of that schedule.
But yeah, they're a long way from even being competitive in the conference overall.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:10 PM ^
No it's not
5-7 teams get invited to bowls as they usually don't have enough .500 teams to go around. And they have 2 creampuffs FAU, Ragin Cajuns. I guess Boston College might be ok.
Aside Oregon, UM, OSU there is not much on their schedule that is not manageable if they can be competent. And find an OL.
I could see them at 6-7 wins. They won 4 this year without an offense.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:11 PM ^
Big 10 overall will be tougher to get into the top 3 agreed. Specific to all the Big 10 east teams not named OSU/UM however I'd argue (as above) their individual schedules all got easier. ALL of them remove OSU from their schedule. OSU has beaten EVERYONE but Michigan last 3 years and even with Urban aside a Purdue here or there beat everyone as well. Playing OSU was an auto loss for all these teams. And obviously Michigan has raised the game the last 3 years.
Every Big 10 east team schedule just got easier by avoiding one or both of those annually. Even if replaced by say Oregon and USC which isn't going to happen annually either for any of them.
December 4th, 2023 at 6:04 PM ^
He is rated as 247 top QB transfer right now over Moore and KM. They say he has a cannon of an arm and can run also. I didn't know he was considered to be that good so I hope he doesn't go to the Scumbag place in East Lansing.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:31 PM ^
So what? One unproven QB doesn't mean squat.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:31 PM ^
An MSU that can break the top 25 is good for us. We don't want to see them north of #15, but it helps the resume every year.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^
With the CFP expanding next year, they can eat lemons. After this year, the entire B1G can stay in the valley below the cliff they jumped off.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:57 PM ^
Yep, screw them all, the game has changed and after the job they all tried to pull on Harbaugh I hope every Big Ten team minus the newcomers takes EVERY SINGLE L POSSIBLE! Soft fan base, too quick to forget AND to forgive.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^
This.
People have short memories. Or maybe if we lost without Harbaugh their memories would be better.
December 4th, 2023 at 5:24 PM ^
I certainly have lost any affinity/respect that I ever had for the B1G after SignGate, but in an ideal world we could continue to dominate a conference that wasn't full of terrible people. But maybe that is asking too much.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:54 PM ^
Ask FSU how important a resume is right now.
Even with a 12 team playoff it does Michigan no good to play Texas next year.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:03 PM ^
Play nobody OOC. Lose 0-2 games. Make a playoff run. Piss off the blog/season ticket holders and let them piss and moan all the way to their Rose Bowl seats.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:28 PM ^
Ask Texas how important a résumé is. Without the win over Alabama, they don't sniff the playoffs this year.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:44 PM ^
Totally agree. If Texas played a cupcake instead of Alabama in the non-con, there’s 0% chance they’d be in the playoffs. Bama, FSU, Georgia and Ohio would all be ahead of them, maybe Oregon too.
December 4th, 2023 at 1:14 PM ^
After the 13 teams conspired against UM this year I am still in shock people are rooting for these teams to be good. Eff them. Let Indiana or Northwestern be good, MSU can go win 3 games a year forever.
It's a 12 team playoff moving 1 spot up or down due to MSU being ranked 89th in the country is fine with me.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^
eh, good for them. Perhaps the new guy won't be such an ass of a person, which, imho, would be a good thing. I'd rather have them become a good clean program than dwell in the shithouse that is Dantonio style disrespect forever.
December 4th, 2023 at 12:34 PM ^
Dark Knight Rises scene of Hines Ward turning back to a blown up football field.
Aidan Chiles looking at the roster he gets to play with.