[Dellenger] NCAA says Ohio State's Ryan Day has no known ties to Michigan sign-stealing probe
The NCAA notified the Big Ten on Monday that there are no known connections between Ohio State head coach Ryan Day or his family and the conference's investigation into Michigan, senior officials at both the association and conference.
Glad there was enough public pressure to force the NCAA to report on this aspect. Still very curious where this PI firm hire originated.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:19 PM ^
I don’t believe anything this shithole organization says.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:49 PM ^
The only record they could find was linked to a Bryan Shmay…definitely not Ryan Day.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:48 PM ^
It was his brothers, not him. They only went back one connection, didn't consider the last names were the same.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:19 PM ^
Did the NCAA confirm that Ryan Day looks like the Gerber Baby when he washes off the shoe polish at night?
November 6th, 2023 at 7:20 PM ^
Sounds like the NCAA is trying to clean up the mess the B1G made/ is making.
Some people yesterday were saying how they expected this to end with a fizzle, not a bang. This might be the start of the fizzle.
First Harbaugh not tied to Stalions, now Day not tied to investigation. NCAA is now positioned to say, Stalions was a rogue actor and has no reason to further pursue Michigan or look into the source of the info. To resolve Michigan needs to put additional measures into place to prevent a reoccurrence and pay a reasonably small level 2 violation and this all goes away. This gets the spineless dipshit B1G commish off the hook too.
From "War Games"
Stephen Falken : The whole point was to find a way to practice nuclear war without destroying ourselves. To get the computers to learn from mistakes we couldn't afford to make. Except, I never could get Joshua to learn the most important lesson.
David Lightman : What's that?
Stephen Falken : Futility. That there's a time when you should just give up.
Jennifer : What kind of a lesson is that?
Stephen Falken : Did you ever play tic-tac-toe?
Jennifer : Yeah, of course.
Stephen Falken : But you don't anymore.
Jennifer : No.
Stephen Falken : Why?
Jennifer : Because it's a boring game. It's always a tie.
Stephen Falken : Exactly. There's no way to win. The game itself is pointless!
November 6th, 2023 at 7:47 PM ^
The only winning move is not to play.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:33 PM ^
Goddammit, I'd piss on a sparkplug if I thought it'd do any good.
November 6th, 2023 at 9:27 PM ^
Best written line in any script ever.
November 6th, 2023 at 11:35 PM ^
“I don’t have to take that from you, you pig-eyed sack of shit!”
November 6th, 2023 at 8:11 PM ^
Exactly. The NCAA wants this shit thrown in the memory hole ASAP.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:20 PM ^
Or they're like,
Keep us TF out of your squabbling.
We did the due diligence of what you handed over to us, we didn't find anything,
Now let us crawl back into our hole and make our fortune off the basketball tournament.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:28 PM ^
The NCAA is about to go bankrupt in court. The last thing they want if another lawsuit they will ultimately lose. They're basically saying to Petitti that "you're on your own on this one...good luck".
November 6th, 2023 at 8:44 PM ^
Not sure of the NCAA's motivations, but the point is there looks to be a clear, pretty painless path out of this that all could embrace. Whether the B1G is smart enough to take that out remains to be seen.
November 7th, 2023 at 6:28 AM ^
wow that was easy. all a coach/staff member has to do is at they acted alone.why didn’t they ask two weeks ago lol
November 6th, 2023 at 7:21 PM ^
Well maybe it wasn’t Day himself. But if it was ANYONE connected to OSU, well, he MUST have known and therefore MUST be indefinitely suspended immediately. That’s the standard we’re using right?
(In seriousness, no chance OSU wasn’t somehow involved, they seem to have been ringleading the back door “Michigan was cheating” stuff)
November 6th, 2023 at 7:32 PM ^
spot on
November 6th, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^
Indeed. "... no known connections ..."
I'm looking forward to -- hopefully -- finding out who did the digging, then connecting them to OSU / whomever.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:01 PM ^
Zach Smith playing double agent?
/s
November 6th, 2023 at 7:41 PM ^
Of course no one connected to the OSU program was involved.
It's just total coincidence that every OSU media guy knew exactly when every leak was going to drop.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:53 PM ^
Are we at the point where the higher-ups are not wanting us blue collar people truly to know the full magnitude of things, because mere mortals can't handle the truth(at least the mouth breathing tOSU fandom).
November 6th, 2023 at 7:22 PM ^
No “known” connection.
And the NCAA has likely not even bothered to try and find out.
It’s possible that Day and Ohio State are not the ones behind it (though unlikely given that Ohio State insiders had advance notice this was coming). But this story isn’t really evidence of anything either way.
Still a lot of facts to come out and hence why it’s important you do a full investigation before acting.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:24 PM ^
The buckeye boards knew about this mess first. I think the guy in Brians post today is a Buckeye. It came from Columbus somewhere because there aint smoke coming from anywhere else
November 6th, 2023 at 7:29 PM ^
Yep, it sure would be a fascinating coincidence how all the Buckeye insiders know the identity of the firm if it doesn't trace back to Day and OSU.
I'm glad this headline dropped now though. If/when evidence of the firm's ties is uncovered, it will underscore the absurdity of acting without due process.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:51 PM ^
I can't wait for Michigan to reveal that connection the week of the game and have Harbaugh come out and say this should really go through more due process and that Day should definitely coach in the game...
November 6th, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^
Of course, if you’re not a Buckeye and are smarter than Connor Stalions, leaking via OSU insiders would be a good way to cover your tracks.
Gun to my head though, I bet this is some rich Buckeye booster who heard someone on the team blabbing about Michigan stealing signs and decided to take matters into his own hands.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:01 PM ^
I just can't imagine it wasn't prompted by the football program though. How would a booster know? It could make sense if someone in the OSU program asked Joe Buckeye Booster "hey we know this Stallions kid seems to be running the most half ass sign stealing operation in division 1. Look into it for us because its bad news for Michigan" or something like that
November 6th, 2023 at 8:22 PM ^
I mean I’m just coming up with bullshit on a message board, but you’d need someone connected enough to know the name Connor Stalions, but NOT connected enough to know that OSU had similar skeletons in the closet, and have deep enough pockets to hire a PI over sports bullshit.
Which screams booster to me… but maybe Day, if Day was shielded from the “sign sharing” the way Stalions hid his activity from Harbaugh.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:26 PM ^
More to the effect of I’m gonna go out on a limb, and say CS was probably one of the best in the business at what he does. The opposition became envious of this, and instead of “getting gud” they chose to go down this route which is eliminate the threat..
November 6th, 2023 at 7:47 PM ^
Removed. What I said already discussed below.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:22 PM ^
So either all the insiders that say we know and have evidence of who the PI firm is and how they're linked to OSU are either wrong, or the NCAA is in the dark, which is it?
November 6th, 2023 at 7:30 PM ^
Ryan Day =/= Ohio State
but, to everyone else
Jim Harbaugh does = Michigan
November 6th, 2023 at 7:37 PM ^
It doesn't mean they're wrong. It just means the most blatantly obvious answer isn't always the correct one.
I've seen stuff that says Michigan knows who the firm is and who hired them. It doesn't explicitly say it was Day.
The only thing that's certain is that someone hired them, and that someone is driven by a desire to smear Michigan.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:10 PM ^
And that all the initial leaks went through OSU insiders.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:44 PM ^
the NCAA is in the dark,
Well, the NCAA's head is constantly in the sand, so of course they're in the dark.
But Coach Third Base probably didn't hire the PI firm himself - he had lackeys do it for him.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:07 PM ^
I think that the ncaa really wants no part of this because of widespread it is, Michigan’s determination to go legal, and their already existing legal troubles
November 6th, 2023 at 7:23 PM ^
I mean…”known”. Lots of wiggle in there. Do they know who did hire a PI? It they don’t say “we know who it was and isnt Day” then they probably just know who it was yet
November 6th, 2023 at 7:25 PM ^
Story to come
November 6th, 2023 at 7:25 PM ^
NCAA (possibly): "Let's make a deal. We'll say Jim is in the clear if we ignore Ryan Day's involvement."
November 6th, 2023 at 7:35 PM ^
Which would, of course, mean that all of OSU's possible transgressions here would go unpunished. They haven't been smeared.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:25 PM ^
Well I think that basically matches in tone and style what they said about Harbaugh. So, big ten, are you done yet?
November 6th, 2023 at 7:27 PM ^
It will come out eventually. Too juicy for people to give up on it.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:27 PM ^
OK actually, new theory. It was Sparty:
1) they seem to have been out of the loop of the rampant sign-sharing operation going on, and therefore wouldn’t expect blowback.
2) OSU has actually been a lot quieter than they could be here. And they seem to have preferred to take a “back channel” path to revenge, via sharing their own scouting and tipping off TCU.
3) Timing of the leak right before the MSU game lets them grandstand about player safety
4) Gets Tuck out of the news cycle.
Balanced against this is that OSU has more to gain directly, and the leaks seem to be coming via OSU connected outlets. But that could be arranged by the PI client pretty easily.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^
Nah, the smear campaign has been entirely too effective. I can’t imagine anything MSU does not backfiring in hysterical fashion. Maybe it still will, but they’re too incompetent to get a scheme this far off the ground.
November 6th, 2023 at 8:02 PM ^
In my conspiracy theory this was a rich booster, not the obviously incompetent football team itself.
Besides that, can you think of a more Little Brother move?
November 6th, 2023 at 8:03 PM ^
Yeah I really cant imagine another Big Ten program competent enough and bitter enough to pull this off. MSU would've bungled it. James Franklin is probably like "people use signs?". Schiano doesn't have the infrastructure to pull it off. All signs point to Columbus
November 6th, 2023 at 7:37 PM ^
Why would the OSU sites, presumably OSU-friendly, want the risk of possibly spotlighting (indirectly) the Buckeyes?
November 6th, 2023 at 7:59 PM ^
Because the “media insiders” probably didn’t know OSU was cheating in a similar way, that was probably kept inside the house.
They’d be a reliable way to launder the accusations, since they could be counted on to release anything that might hurt Michigan.
November 6th, 2023 at 9:07 PM ^
My thinking is that an early release by OSU-friendly sites would more likely result in OSU getting blamed for the whole process.
November 6th, 2023 at 7:54 PM ^
Wait a minute. Doesn't OSU tipping off TCU count under the unsportsmanlike B1G rule too? Is there proof of that? It's been bandied about this whole last week.