November 1st, 2020 at 9:13 AM ^
The defense looked really bad yes, but the offense couldn’t accomplish jack shit all day. Even giving up as many points as we did to MSU, we STILL should’ve won that game by a comfortable margin. Instead we decided that running the ball straight up the middle into a stacked box was a good idea.
November 1st, 2020 at 8:32 AM ^
Harbaugh is going to be an underdog in 4 of the next 6 games, including against Indiana. This team has a better shot of going 3-5 than they do 5-3! I just don’t see how you can rationally argue “this is as good as it gets” anymore.
It’s not an exaggeration to say Michigan is at an existential crossroads. By all accounts, the Administration is not just fine but fully in support of Harbaugh. Would this Same leeway be given at OSU? I think we all know the answer there...
If Michigan doesn’t work out an exit strategy here, they’re giving up on being a national football contender and us fans should treat the product accordingly.
November 1st, 2020 at 8:34 AM ^
Still feel like shit. Fire Harbaugh
November 1st, 2020 at 8:36 AM ^
Today, Jim Harbaugh has to be the all-time greatest enigmatic coach ever-at Michigan. Barring going undefeated the rest of the way, I believe the need of a search for his replacement has now been established. Yesterday was more than simply the straw breaking the camel's back.
Michigan's best position coach has OSU ties...hmm...there is another top replacement prospect out there who does as well. Given the ascending prominence of offense, I do wonder about about Josh Gattis as well. But Fickell is surely demonstrating some coaching chops at Cincinnati.
Time to move on.
November 1st, 2020 at 8:38 AM ^
Pretty much the same as yesterday. It's obvious this program is not going any higher than this. Nothing about what we do says we're going to be a top 5 team at any point in time under Harbaugh. Yesterday I was good with cleaning house entirely. I think today maybe I would keep Gattis just to have some consistency on offense as we're finally modernizing, but I'm not really impressed with him yet either. He's still TBD
November 1st, 2020 at 9:20 AM ^
The thing about Gattis is that I'm not sure this is fully his offense. I cant see him wanting to mesh in fullbacks and two runningbacks to a speed in space offense. There is barely any tempo either. MSU used tempo on us several times yesterday. They were going for the jugular all day. I think Harbaugh tensed up after the first half of quarter 1 when he realized they came to win. I dont think Harbaugh is letting the playbook totally be his. The calls, maybe, but not the playbook.
November 1st, 2020 at 8:41 AM ^
Jim Harbaugh has never out coached anyone as Michigan coach.
Michigan was not smart enough to game plan that the other team night game plan against its weaknesses. Again, perhaps because Michigan never seems to game plan against an opponent’s weakness.
Brown will give up 100 to OSU and 50 to IU
November 1st, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^
Fire the defensive staff. All of them. I get you cannot make chicken salad with chicken shit on the corners but that’s on the staff for having chicken shit to work with. Brown has been passed by because he’s stubborn.
Fire, reassign or demote the recruiting coordinator guy, name escapes me. Dude.
Keep the O staff. It’s what college football has become.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:35 AM ^
Our corners have plenty of talent. They’re not coached worth a lick.
November 1st, 2020 at 8:48 AM ^
Hire mattison
November 1st, 2020 at 9:58 AM ^
Yes hire him, or the guy who coaches Kansas. Although there may be beef there with the rumor of him sleeping with Lloyd Carr’s wife.
November 1st, 2020 at 8:50 AM ^
In one of the threads yesterday, someone mentioned that they are convinced Harbaugh is on meds that are impacting his ability to get emotionally invested in the game like he did in 2015 and 2016. There could be something to that. I thought I noticed that he started putting on a few extra pounds around year 4, but chalked in up to "dad bod." But now, I wonder; weight gain is definitely a side effect of some ADHD and other psychoactive drugs. My son gained almost 30 pounds in six months after his doctor changed his meds.
November 1st, 2020 at 10:05 AM ^
I think the referees in The Game in 2016 wrote the prescription for him. He has never been the same since he smashed his headset. I miss that guy
November 1st, 2020 at 8:53 AM ^
Harbaugh hasn’t done much better, if any better than Hoke IMO. Hoke didn’t have the luxury of playing Rutgers and Maryland every year for 2 guaranteed wins. Hoke had better recruiting classes than Harbaugh, and if anyone doesn’t believe that, it’s easily looked up online. And one could argue Hoke had better outings against our rivals including OSU, giving us the only win in recent memory. Sure Hoke went 1-3 vs OSU but 2 of those losses were single score defeats by a combined total of 6 points.
EDIT:
I suppose I should mention that Rich Rod left the cupboards nearly empty from a recruit standpoint when Hoke got here but Hoke left the cupboards overflowing with talent when Harbaugh got here.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:06 AM ^
While I’m on the side of harbaugh has to go, hoke lost to Rutgers lol
November 1st, 2020 at 9:26 AM ^
I forgot about that. Shame on me. I’m not sure that changes the overall comparison much.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:29 AM ^
I’m reserving my LOLs until the 21st of this month.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^
He also lost to Maryland, so...
But Harbaugh still has to face both this year. We shall see.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:58 AM ^
So did MSU this year. Right before they beat us at home.
November 1st, 2020 at 10:16 AM ^
And Maryland at home
November 1st, 2020 at 8:59 AM ^
Not knocking Joe Milton, but how did he beat out McCaffery? There is something more to this story. McCaffery was the prototypical QB for this type of offense. Milton has always been subpar in accuracy, that isn't something you can just work on and expect great improvement. Also, every time McCaffery came on the field the entire offense seemed to be energized. There was something different about the other players response. I don't trust this coaching staff with being honest with meritocracy.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:02 AM ^
McCaffery saw the writing on the wall with regards to team talent, probably didnt want to stick around for another shit sandwich of a season.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:10 AM ^
Think about it...
Gattis Milton
McCaffrey
You will figure it out.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:33 AM ^
While I see where you’re going with that, I don’t believe that’s the answer.
November 1st, 2020 at 10:12 AM ^
Get this shit off the board. SMFH.
November 1st, 2020 at 12:40 PM ^
Right, because we know that would never happen, especially in 2020.
Take off your blinders.
It very well could have influenced Gattis.
November 1st, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^
That ain't it, chief
November 1st, 2020 at 2:08 PM ^
“Not knocking Joe Milton...”
{... proceeds to knock him}
November 1st, 2020 at 9:01 AM ^
It was clear after South Carolina that the guy didn't have the chops to be competitive here, nothing since then has made me feel any differently.
The only thing changing is how much desire I have to tune in. Which, right now, feels like zero.
November 1st, 2020 at 10:29 AM ^
Yup, the entirety of the 2017 season, particularly the John O’Korn MSU game in the rain, and the bowl meltdown against South Carolina are when I knew Harbaugh would never turn Michigan into a championship caliber program.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:10 AM ^
There were 3 things that really stood out and exemplified how poorly this team is coached. First was driving 90 yards or so and then running wildcat from the 4 twice in a row. Its not Haskins fault he didn't recognize the linebacker being there and underthrew the ball. Hes not a damn qb. You want to get cute like that, at least bring in Barrett, he was a former qb and threw a special teams pass last year. Two, the run inside the 5 at the end of the game to eat up more time and somehow got bailed out by a TV timeout. Precious seconds ticking by and you once again try up the gut that hadnt worked all day. Three, the onside kick. That was perhaps the dumbest looking shit I've ever witnessed and then having 2 kickers go after the ball was even worse. That looked like something the kickers came up with when they got out there. It was a "we've thrown in the towel already" moment.
I could go into a lot of things like why can the dline never get to the qb, the ignorance of one on one press coverage with our db's, the lack of wide receiver separation, Milton locking onto whoever the playcall is for, his inaccuracy on the deep ball, recruiting at corner and dline, stone hands on several receivers, the runningback carousel, how many interceptions we should have vs do, the archaic fullback crap, and so on but those 3 really highlighted how actually poorly we are coached.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:14 AM ^
Shea was 2-0 against MSU.
6TDs 0INTs
Just sayin.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:36 AM ^
I was thinking that yesterday. If Shea Patterson was still the QB I think we win comfortably. And I don’t think Shea was that good either, but he sure picked apart MSU.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:53 AM ^
I think a couple of guys named Collins and Peoples-Jones helped Shea out a lot. They would have helped yesterday also.
November 1st, 2020 at 10:28 AM ^
Milton would over throw them if they were open deep
November 1st, 2020 at 10:12 AM ^
He would have found a way to fumble or throw it away.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:14 AM ^
Going to force myself to rewatch like I do with most games. I need to better understand what happened on offense. Hard to believe the team could barely reach 24 points, This is going to be painful.
November 1st, 2020 at 10:16 AM ^
I don't think MSU's defense is that bad. They held Rutgers to 4 yards a play last week despite the loss. There is clearly some talent on that side of the ball after watching yesterday.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:22 AM ^
It is confounding to see a team overachieve from one week to the next. There's no baseline. Can overachieve next against a hot Indiana team?-Maybe. Penn State went 0 nd 2 then won out a few years back. Yea, we're not Penn State but they are still 18-22 year olds out there so anything is possible.
You can fear the worst but also hope for the best. I really don't know what to expect from this team going forward and leave it at that.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:28 AM ^
I slept like a baby last night which tells me I am at peace and ready to move on. For a few years, I didn't think there was anybody better than Harbaugh to lead Michigan. But when you look at the body of work, 0-5 against OSU, 3-3 against MSU, 1-1 against Notre Dame, 3-2 against Penn State, and 1-4 in bowl games, its abysmal for a program like Michigan. No coach would ever be allowed to continue.
6 years ago, I begged for every Michigan and 49ers loss to bring Jim home but he is a shell of himself. The game yesterday was the worst loss since The Horror in my opinion. Instead of squashing a Spartan team that had rumbles from the fanbase they already wanted a new coach, we prepared a game plan which I wouldn't wipe my ass with.
I have no idea who to go get but I don't care frankly because I am ready for something better than a .500 record against MSU and winning more than 1 of our last 2 games of the year over a 6 year period.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:29 AM ^
I didn't see the game. I was delivering food to sick friends out of town. Cancer, heart and covid have three friends down. I had the game on the radio.
Sparties plan was to attack our young, weak spots. Corner, O-line, and QB. The M staff and players all did a poor job.
-Don Brown is stubborn and the world knows what he always falls back on. He is as predictable as my first Wife.
-Speed was in outer space yesterday. Gattis didn't have anything more simple for the O to fall back on and get their legs under them.
My butt hurts today. My butt is gonna hurt for a while. I hate Sparty.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:30 AM ^
Everything is fucked. . .
most embarrassing loss since Toledo.
I'm done
November 1st, 2020 at 9:31 AM ^
And where I'm really at this morning to sum it all up: When does basketball start?
I can't remember a time when I have moved on from football in game 2 but here I am.
November 1st, 2020 at 10:02 AM ^
App State, then Oregon in 07 would be the last time. Maybe Notre Dame in ‘14
November 1st, 2020 at 9:33 AM ^
I’m pretty certain that offense we witnessed yesterday was at least 80% Harbaugh overriding Gattis. The offense looked noticeably different from the 2nd Half of last season. What happened to the tempo?? What happened to the RPO’s?? Where was the “speed in space”?? The looked exactly like the slow, plodding, clunky, awkward, boring offense I remember watching in 2017, except out of the shotgun. That was undoubtedly because of Harbaugh. Gattis has a future, and he’d be wise to leave and develop his coaching abilities elsewhere under someone who will actually fucking let him.
Michigan needs to clean house. This shit will never change until Harbaugh and the rest of the Bo Schembechler “Michigan Man” coaching tree/old guard are gone. It makes me so fucking sad because I wanted Harbaugh to be the guy—the guy who came home to his Alma mater and saved them and brought Michigan back into national relevancy. But it’s become abundantly clear that Harbaugh is just another Schembechler old guard hack who is so stubbornly mentally stuck in the 20th century—just like Lloyd Carr and Brady Hoke.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:43 AM ^
I agree and honestly game 1 success covered up the archaic-ness of the offense. Everyone seemed so happy to have Mason smashing holes and 3 yard passes to players who got 15 yards out of it until a team came up and put 8-9 in the box and dared you to beat them over the top. This isnt speed in space or tempo. We arent using the runningbacks in the passing game, we don't properly utilize the slot dots and Wilson or Johnson should be the deep threats. All has stonehands and Eubanks looks heavy and slow to me.
November 1st, 2020 at 9:34 AM ^
Did i miss the coaches press conferences? When were they or when are they supposed to be?