December 6th, 2019 at 11:21 AM ^
He still has a track record of putting guys in the NFL, and having so many NFL connections has to help as well. It's not like Patterson put up terrible numbers. If anything he's had 2 QBs who have set school records since he's been here.
December 6th, 2019 at 11:25 AM ^
I've never understood the logic of "Jim Harbaugh didn't pull this kid out of AP US History to beg him to come to Michigan, why can't Jim Harbaugh develop quarterbacks?"
I don't give a fuck whether Jim recruits a kid from high school, another university, or a sweat shop in Vietnam to come to Michigan. Jake Rudock, Wilton Speight, and Shea Patterson have all played good football for Michigan. Rudock and Speight are on NFL rosters, and Patterson will be soon. Who fucking cares if Harbaugh never met their high school principals?
December 6th, 2019 at 11:33 AM ^
And that's why Michigan has only played "good" football for five years. They only have "good" QB's. Maybe Harbaugh should work on developing "great" or "excellent" QB's so it translates into "great" or "excellent" teams.
Just saying.
December 6th, 2019 at 11:37 AM ^
Or maybe Harbaugh should take a page out of Rich Rod's playbook and extend practice hours
December 6th, 2019 at 12:13 PM ^
Not the worst idea, just don't get caught.
Also I think the good doctor has a great idea regarding the Vietnamese sweatshops. I bet those kids would be really fast and highly motivated.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^
Plus, much lower rates compared to the kids Clemson is bringing in. We could sign like 3,000 sweatshop kids for every 1 Rashan Gary.
December 6th, 2019 at 11:46 AM ^
Wow, "try to have excellent QBs", brilliant idea, I'll get that right over to Jim.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:52 PM ^
Ute, the problem is, it’s been a week and everyone is back to defending Harbaugh. We are back to recruiting against Rutgers and Duke
December 6th, 2019 at 5:31 PM ^
The only way Shea Patterson is on an NFL Roster is if it's for a practice squad or holding the clipboard guys back clipboard coupled with waterboy duties. Shea is the furthest thing from an NFL quarterback. Just go look at the scouting report from the NFL Scouts last year or do you REALLY think he came back because the loss to ohio left a bad taste in his mouth. pffft.
Per NFL Scouting report (ie NOT my words)
weak arm
goes off script too often
no pocket presence
not very accurate
can run but is not a true "dual threat"
doesn't read defenses well.
ALL of that was per NFL scouts that evaluated him before the combine. I don't believe 4 1/2 games of "balling out" is going to convince ANYONE to say hey we gotta get this kid
December 7th, 2019 at 9:42 AM ^
LOL back to your old feisty self Haha eh manny toblahgan
December 6th, 2019 at 11:23 AM ^
I don’t know. Possibly similar to Lincoln Riley’s selling points to QB recruits.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:08 PM ^
Yes, we need to stop taking transfer QBs. They don't seem to measure up to their hype anyway. JH makes them better, but they are transfers for a reason.
We should ride with the QB pipeline we have and develop more from within.
Now for the DT and CB gaps next year ? I would spend all my transfer time looking to fill those spots. We need to bend our academic standards a bit and even consider JUCCOs ... sometimes you can find a diamond in the rough as long as they can pass their classes and not have behavioral issues.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:24 PM ^
Switch out Harbaugh for Urban Meyer/Ryan Day, and you could make the same statement. OSU has seen Joe Burrow, Tate Martell, and Matthew Baldwin all transfer in the last 2 years. This is part of college football now. Justin Fields is going to start as a transfer for 2-3 years for OSU like Shea Patterson did for Michigan.
It is a bit extreme to count Jake Rudock against Harbaugh as that was his first year at Michigan with an empty QB room (no QB in the 2012 class preceding Shane Morris and late to recruit the 2015 class for a freshman).
December 6th, 2019 at 6:49 PM ^
Joe Burrow was a Graduate transfer and didn’t start in front of a 1 and done (starter) who re wrote the record books and hung 62 on us. Martell was no longer an option when Day took over the offense last year, he is a running QB with a questionable arm from the pocket. I think Baldwin moved back to where he was from but he was buried in the depth chart. Losing a QB to the portal is a bad sign when he is your best one. Otherwise it’s just losing depth.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:27 PM ^
Ohio State hasn't had a good pro quarterback since Shane Falco, yet they get elite recruits at the position.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:44 PM ^
Falco was a scab.
December 6th, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^
Johnny Utah would have been something special in the league if not for the knee injury.
December 6th, 2019 at 3:15 PM ^
Yes, and they win Big Ten Championship after championship, and regularly get in the college football playoffs. Michigan sends QB's to the pro's and what has that gotten us since 2003? Maybe OSU's goal in recruiting kids is can they help win a college championship? Maybe they're not recruiting kids strictly for their pro potential.
December 6th, 2019 at 11:21 AM ^
Did he ever play for the Rancho Cucamonga Crackerkillers?
December 6th, 2019 at 11:28 AM ^
“Wait, I...uh...have to attend class here? Where are the escorts? What kind of !#*% is goin’ on up here” - C.J. Probably
All jokes aside, show him clips of Shea’s post PSU stuff and sell him on the fact that, if he’s so inclined, Michigan is a far superior institution of learning. That may or not matter; but if he ends up at UM, that’s the only thing I see him seeing. Or more playtime opportunity.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:16 PM ^
Everyone making jokes about escorts has obviously never heard of the Tri Delt of the week award.
December 6th, 2019 at 11:29 AM ^
What would this do to J.J. McCarthy's commitment? He already bailed on ND when they took another lower rated QB in the same class. Having this happen twice to the n°2 QB recruit in his class wouldn't bode well for his commitment to UM.
December 6th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^
JJ is 2021
December 6th, 2019 at 11:50 AM ^
Staff was real high on JD Johnson for 2020, and he has been committed to the class since December 2018. He had to medically retire due to a freak thing (Harbaugh is still honoring his scholarship and keeping him on the team as a student coach or whatever). So CJ would be replacing JD. Shouldn't really matter to JJ, who committed with JD already apart of the class.
December 6th, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^
All the ballz say OSU. Is there any real reason for optimism?
December 6th, 2019 at 11:58 AM ^
Maybe their bagmen all were in a horrific car accident on the way to his house? Maybe their online classes all crashed? Freak accidents happen
December 6th, 2019 at 12:34 PM ^
They already have 4-star Jack Miller committed although he's injury prone and his recruiting rating has taken a hit this year. Gotta believe his commitment helps us. Why would a kid commit to a program with another kid already committed. Gotta reel this kid in
December 6th, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^
I think the so-called talent gap is exaggerated.... but where we seem to be erring, is not picking up OSU plan B guys...especially the ones from Ohio..... to get back to winning the Game, we need to start getting more Ohio players, even if they aren't high end starters, because in the background theyll keep team focused on whats important to win it. Much has been said about OSU going outside of Ohio to get players, so these plan A guys in past years, should be coming our way...instead they are going elsewhere...I think this is the one spot Harbaugh has had trouble with.
I know Stroud isn't from Ohio, but he appears to be a plan B guy to them, though I know, save Fields and Burrow, their QB recruiting has been quite poor... Alot of the plan B players have been headed to MSU, but no more, now theyre going to Cinci and K.... we need these guys.
Bo knew the importance of the advantage of having an Ohio player be on the team, because how important the game is to them.
December 6th, 2019 at 5:13 PM ^
Not sure if you're serious about their QB recruiting being poor. Just in the Meyer year, they've had Braxton Miller, JT Barrett, Cardale Jones, DeWayne Haskins, and as you mentioned, Joe Burrow and now Justin Fields. There's also 5 star Tate Martell and 4 star Matthew Baldwin. Barrett shattered most B1G all time career records and then Haskins came along last year to set many single season records. The one that hurt them though was Baldwin transferring out when Fields transferred in. Day was high on Baldwin (Martell was never going to play/start) and when he left it left them without and quality depth although that Chug-something kid has looked decent at times.
December 6th, 2019 at 11:42 AM ^
I've given up hope of beating OSU or Penn St in current recruiting battles, but good gracious can we at least keep Kentucky from whooping our ass in the State of Michigan?
December 6th, 2019 at 11:50 AM ^
Drama Queen much? They got one highly-rated guy that Magnus (I believe) has said Michigan chose not to pursue hard.
December 6th, 2019 at 3:26 PM ^
Hate to break it to you but UK has landed from Michigan:
Marquan McCall, DT 365 lbs (2018)
DeAndre Square S (2018)
Justin Rogers, DT 310 lbs
Deondre Buford, OT 275 lbs
Earnest Sanders, WR
Worth pointing out that McCall was a huge contributor this year and Rogers is the state’s top rated player - at a position of significant need. I’d rather have those 2 anchoring the middle of our DL than half a dozen other guys who are easily replicated.
December 6th, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^
That’s 5 guys over 3 classes, 3 of which didn't/don’t have Michigan offers.
December 6th, 2019 at 5:22 PM ^
Not sure I would consider Rogers a huge loss as teams like OSU, Alabama, and Georgia initially offered the kid and then backed off for whatever reason. And it seems we really didn't go after him really hard either. Something going on being the scenes that we're not seeing
December 6th, 2019 at 11:44 AM ^
I think Stroud is the most important recruit this cycle given what it could mean for us and Ohio but also am realistic enough to see that it’s a tough sell when you look at what Day is doing with QBs down there. It also looks like he is working with Quincy Avery who is on record saying that if he had a son who played QB that he would send him to OSU. Perhaps the Avery connection is overblown though? Anyone have any insight on that?
December 6th, 2019 at 5:25 PM ^
Was also reading that Georgia is also in on Stroud's recruiting. Looks to be a 3 team race
December 6th, 2019 at 12:00 PM ^
The only Harbaugh recruit to start a game for him was Brandon Peters. He is now starting at Illinois. Harbaugh needs to find his q.b. And hopefully that can be C.J. Stroud.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:08 PM ^
1) Harbaugh recruited Patterson and Rudock albeit not out of high school. 2) OSU seems to be doing okay with Fields (who they didn't land out of high school). 3) Oklahoma and Hurts. 4) Wisky and Wilson back in the day....
December 6th, 2019 at 12:08 PM ^
Speaking of quarterback recruits, Ron Powlus III is a 2021 three star quarterback recruit. Does that make anyone else feel old? I remember when Beano Cook (I think) predicted that Ron Powlus II would win 3 Heisman trophies.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:28 PM ^
All OSU. Nothing to see here IMO.
December 6th, 2019 at 12:35 PM ^
How does Michigan possibly compete against OSU for a player like this?
December 6th, 2019 at 12:54 PM ^
Although I understand your sentiments, we have to at least try with Stroud and hope for a miracle. That being said, I think the strategy espoused in another thread of targeting OSU’s leftovers is a more realistic strategy that could also be effective. There are plenty of great players that OSU passes on, and that only further fuels the desire of those players to beat them. McCarthy seems to already be using being passed over by OSU to fuel his motivation. That’s also why I would have seen us like to go after Luke Lachey who is a TE that they passed on.
December 6th, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^
We compete with OSU by saying you have a chance to start day 1 at Michigan. At OSU you will sit at least 1 or 2 years behind Fields. Plus OSU already has a qb committed that was their first choice, another 4* QB.
if he goes to usc, fine, but no way we should lose out to OSU who has all those things going against them.
December 7th, 2019 at 9:46 AM ^
The 4-star kid already committed to OSU is Jack Miller who is a really fine prospect when playing but the kid is injury prone - big time. OSU is probably using Miller's injuries in trying to convince Stroud to commit to the dark side
December 6th, 2019 at 5:41 PM ^
Right now % wise this is 95% Ohio 3% Georgia and 2% us . Yurcich has been on this kid for a long time and has developed a strong relationship with him that Stroud has talked a lot about. It also isn't' a good sign he's already had an unofficial at ohio and is doing his OV after us right before early signing. something super monumental would have to happen in my eyes. He canceled his Oregon OV last weekend and they had early been high high on the list