I dont know why but I just laughed at the fact that your post was ending his sentence....like you know each other and are having lunch together just talking and you ending his sentence for him.
This is GENIUS, pure GENIUS, judging a poster base on his screen name. I mean, the intellect just oozes from your pores. It's one thing you actually THINK this but then to articulate it in public, embarrassing .
Thank you for this, I couldn't remember who said it.
I mean, it's pretty obvious they have all the team hats in front of them. Not sure why this is a mystery it's not like they have a 3D hat printer laying around.
If we are at 15 and its the last pick then the Lions or the Harbaughs need to trade a seven from next year to break the record. Lions should do it just to appease the home fans at the draft.
Where are you getting the "S" in championships? Little bro, its A championship, not S. The delusion is real, Michigan does not have possession of the secret formula, they actually do need to participate in the off season but you just stick with your hopes and dreams if they make you feel better at night.
I love it when posters make posts with such certainty of their superiority that they actually believe they can belittle other posters. It's like they truly believe they have the answers to the test and nobody else does. The arrogance/ignorance is laughable, thank you for the comedy.
It astonishes me how many fans THINK they have an idea of what's really going on while pointing out how others don't know as much as him. It's pure comedy. What's the first rule of the Dunning Kruger Club? .....You don't know you're a member.
Do you actually think that's what he is saying? If you think that, then maybe that explains why so many other posters are reacting like you because I dont believe this is even close to op's point. I think this is just the reaction of arm-chaired college football experts whose team won A championship and think their team is suddenly superior to every other team because of it and somehow they can skip the off season. Brilliant.
Effing hilarious, you act like Michigan sat out the off season, pretty sure they won the off season three years ago when JJ and others committed and two years ago and last year and they better start winning a few off seasons again or you will be whining like you guys accuse op of.
It's hilarious because everything you've stated is spot on. I love the delusional posters who are the same people who wanted JH fired that are now making genius statements like "I like winning championships not the off-season". There's no S at the end of championship, it's ONE championship, don't act like we are a dynasty, we aren't and our savior has left the building.
To act like Michigan sat out the off season and still won a championship proves the delusion even more because Michigan did win the off season, they just did it three years ago when JJ committed. If they think we will win another championship sitting out the off season then we all know what will happen in a year or two, those same posters will be singing the same tune as you.
What I love the most is the arrogance with which they proclaim it.
Meh- Methinks you need to find The Fine Line Between Stubbornness and Stupidity.
You have every right to throw your money wherever you chose and in this instance I agree with you in every sense and the simple fact that as you state "A collective throwing $1M at a kid to bring him to their school (or keep him from transferring) could do a lot of good elsewhere with that $1M" is our reality ANGERS me beyond words. This is so beyond acceptable, I cant believe its true.
But, here is where you still cant seem to grasp reality and I give you credit for sticking to your guns.
"I would much rather throw my discretionary dollars at people in genuine need rather than at semi-pro athletes already getting a full ride (and then some) at a major US university."
Look, to you and I the perceived value of "a full ride (and then some) at a major US university." is fantastic and the perceived value to the student athlete of "a full ride (and then some) at a major US university" in the 1970's, 80's and maybe even early 90's still held true. But no matter how hard you want to jump up and down and stomp your feet and hold your breath, your temper tantrum will NOT alter today s reality and that reality is the perceived value of "a full ride (and then some) at a major US university" is nowhere near what it was then.
Think of the value of the dollar which in 1970 $100 dollars would require $850 today in comparable purchasing power. The difference between the two (the value of the dollar and the value of the full ride) is one is reality and the other is perceived and the perceived value of "a full ride (and then some) at a major US university" has not only not appreciated in kind but it has depreciated, again the key word here is "perceived". This perception may not be yours but you are not the commodity.
No mater how much you want to protest or ignore it the simple fact is that the entire environment has changed. Coaches making $10m a year, coaches changing teams for millions, conferences signing BILLION dollar TV contracts for football, universities funding entire athletic departments from the student athletes participating in the televised activities, AD's making millions a year, strength coaches making millions a year and on and on and on...This has radically changed this thing we love called college football and the change is in its infancy right now. You can bitch and moan and complain about the good ole days all you want but, it's about to be rewritten as you and I know it.
This is about one thing and that is the almighty dollar, and greed always prevails as we all know and it will prevail here.
What did you get a degree in accounting because you seem like the typical bean counter.
The great thing is that your convoluted concept of free market is that of an old man who thinks "these kids make to damn much money" because, "I walked uphill in the snow both ways and I got paid .25 cents to shovel my neighbors driveway, and I liked it".
Your analogy is tired and irrelevant, get with the 90's at the very least.
Cowardice? Good god, you accuse someone of cowardice with zero facts, only the musings of clickbait whores lining their pockets on the easily manipulated.
What's ridiculous is to assume you actually have a clue if the admin backed him or it did not. What's your source? The snakeoil salesmen lining their pockets with clickbait that has zero truth? JH nor anyone related to him has ever indicated what you state as fact so that means it's just a bunch of bullshit smoke.
This is just such a misguided, delusional take but if it makes you feel better to have a scapegoat, that's good. The snakeoil salesmen (social media whores) are there to profit off people like you.
I agree with every single word you typed, you are a lyrical genius my friend. Have you considered a career as a writer, I mean your style is titillating, keeps us all on the edge of our seats.
"You don't exactly come off as a sound individual"
Are you speaking for everyone, or just yourself? Others here seem to posses the intellectual capacity to grasp my offering, I feel bad for you if you can't. Also, who says the goal should be to "come off as a sound individual" and who is the judge and jury on that topic? I hope it isn't you because according to other posters here, you are not the most "sound individual" on this board.
"Hopefully you demonstrate greater maturity in contexts outside of anonymous internet messaging boards - for not only your own sake but also for those who must interact with you."
Again, I'm not sure you are the person who should speak on this topic considering your psychotic behavior you previously displayed toward other posters on this board.
As for the rest of your gibberish response, I will make this point again:
40-60 years ago, the price of an education, not a "free education", was probably fair compensation in return for an athlete playing for an NCAA member institution. Today it is not, not since two of those involved in the production of this athletic event began profiting billions of dollars while the third entity involved still only receives this ever so valuable (according to you) education.
That is my contention and I believe the three entities need to resolve this or the free market will resolve it for them. The NHL, MLB, NBA and hell, even PGA have development leagues in which the athletes get paid. There is nothing stopping a behemoth like Amazon from attempting to create a feeder program to the NFL and paying high school kids 100s of thousands if not millions of dollars a year to play in it rather than going to college. Then what do you think the value of that education is? Maybe this is what's needed if the goal is to return college athletics to amateurism because nobody is going to watch a bunch of 4th rate athletes play for a university anymore when they can watch the real star play on Saturday for a paid profession team.
And now I am done conversing with you my little friend, I have other more important distractions, it has been enjoyable, I wish you well.
It IS a sham, at least how I perceive it to be and I'm fairly certain others here agree. My perception is my reality, your is yours but thank you for informing me how I should perceive an issue, only as you do.
Websters defines a sham as "a trick that deludes", I perceive NIL to be a sham because I believe the NCAA is attempting to delude the fans into believing the athletes are being paid so now they are off the hook. I do not find this acceptable.
The NCAA was legally forced to allow athletes to earn money from their Name Image and Likeness. LEGALLY FORCED, they fought this for decades. Why? Because their greed lead them to believe that THEY, the NCAA should receive that money, NOT the athlete. In hindsight, the NCAA probably sees it as the gift that keeps the golden goose alive.
The universities fund their entire athletic budgets from the TV revenue earned by a certain group of athletes and in return, the universities repay those athletes with an education and the ancillary benefits that come with an athletic scholarship which 40-60 years ago was fair compensation. It's not fair compensation now that the TV networks are earning billions and paying the NCAA billions. The needle has moved.
"I believe you are arguing the money earned from broadcasting the sporting events should also go to the players. What I’m not clear on is if this argument is because you want the players to get more money, or by doing this it would somehow diminish the requests/demands for NIL funds. If it’s the prior, sure great, although I could walk through the financials showing there would not be as much money to go around as people think"
I'm sorry you cant grasp this, others seem to have been able to. Yes, I believe the athletes should be fairly reimbursed for their part in this production. As it stands, only the TV networks and NCAA members profit (other than that ever so valuable "free education" the athletes receive). I love it when you so smugly offer to "walk through the financials" as if you posses this ability myself or others may not. It reminds me of the individuals who respond to topics by proclaiming "what you don't understand is...." I always find that to be an interesting trait, to actually believe that another individual doesn't know what you do. Anyhow, are you going to enlighten me how the TV networks pay billions of dollars to the NCAA member institutions but neither of the two entities are earning billions in return? If yes, then please walk me through this fairy tale financial you seem to be aware of.
If you are going to "walk me through" how the top 50 ish universities didnt earn billions of dollars last year from TV revenues that funded entire athletic departments, then please do. If you are going to "walk me through" how the dozens of TV networks paid out billions of dollars last year to the NCAA members without earning billions in return, then please do. The thing is, most of the universities are public, so they are required to provide this information to the public and the TV networks are publicly traded so this info is also easily accessible and guess what buddy, nobody is going broke.
Yeah, a "free ride" that's a fantastic fairy tale isnt it.
I've mentioned here that 40-60 years ago the price of an education was probably a fair repayment for what the student athlete provided but that was before these student athletes became the cash cow for the TV networks and the NCAA.
The "free education" many describe is a pittance when considering the profit being earned by the others involved in this production. The networks profit billions while the universities bankroll their entire athletic departments on these student athletes and some people believe that to be acceptable. I do not and I believe the NCAA should resolve this or the free market will.
You have used your energy to neg every post I've made on this topic so you doing what he accused you of is more than plausible. I believe him when he says your actions became psychotic when you were offended by something you disagreed with. Your actions are that of a sad, pathetic, insecure little man.
I find you negging me to be both comedic and pathetic. I've been coming to this board or some iteration of it, since I first got dial up internet. Do you think the number of points I have is important to me? Neg all you want, it's pure comedy that I have triggered you to this extent. A little stalkerish but good humor.
"A circus sideshow, and a diversion. A diversionary tactic, we may come to see. The door was opened a crack though. Now the athletes need to rush through."
I agree with you completely, these athletes need to continue to pursue this, do not allow NIL to be the diversion. As another poster mentioned, I would love to see the B1G and especially the U of M be proactive in fixing this inequity, be "the leaders and best" as they so proudly proclaim.
"Some of the responses here, at the outset, were embarrassing."
I think that's pretty normal in our society, people lash out at what they don't/cant comprehend, I expected it. There is one poster here, "crg" that has negged me 30-40 times on this topic. I smile at the amount of energy some are willing to waste being negative about something they simply can not grasp.
Somehow, these athletes not being fairly compensated has become so ingrained that most cant grasp the inequities, they truly believe it's perfectly acceptable for the TV networks and NCAA to profit billions while offering "a free education" in return. I always love that term, "free education", it's as if the athlete is offering nothing in return for this "free education". Mind boggling.
Dont get me started on AGENTS, if the NCAA is the slave owner in this equation, the agents are nothing more than the slave traders. Or in today's vernacular, agents are nothing more than pimps profiting from their stable of whores.
Agents, although not as directly involved in this, are the leaches making a shit ton of money for virtually nothing in return. How the agents have not been included in the NIL process is a mystery.
Yeah, I think for some, like yourself who have the ability to read an idea, comprehend that idea and then conceptualize that idea, it makes sense. To others who are unable to think outside of their conditioned beliefs, it's crazy AF. Some posters fixate on certain aspects of the posts which may have been made to simply make a point.
For example, I realize the athletes are not paid actors that should not be paid by the networks, but that's not really the point, the point is that the networks, along with the universities are profiting billions (collectively) from these players who play this game. Those two entities need to be part of the equation in resolving this disparity, not only the universities. I've stated several times that I believe 30-60 years ago that the price of an education along with housing etc was a fair cost in exchange for the goods provided by the the athlete, but that was before the two entities involved in the production of college football began profiting billions of dollars from these athletes. As my friend commented on the subject privately, "you cant hide the billions any longer".
I think that like so often in our society, things become ingrained and we don't question them, even the athletes have accepted it so that's made it even easier for us to rationalize. A sham is defined as "Something false or empty that is purported to be genuine." I called NIL a sham because I believe that it is exactly that, something false that is purported to be genuine. I think the NCAA would love for the athletes and fans to forget about reimbursing the athletes now that NIL has been forcibly allowed by the courts. Which by the way, the simple fact this was forced by the courts proves just how disgustingly greedy the NCAA is, they didn't want players to earn a penny that they thought they may have had a chance to earn. I'm all for capitalism but there is a reason gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins.
I think that certain aspects of college football have evolved beyond amateur sports and either the NCAA resolves it or free market will. The players, if given a chance would forgo the "free education" if given the opportunity to earn 100s of thousands and in some cases millions per year playing in a league that, similar to minor league baseball and hockey, is in place to do what the universities do today. I mean, lets face it, the NCAA is essentially the minor league system of the NFL, but the one thing that distinguishes this from a minor league is the the NCAA doesn't pay it's players a penny.
Why does this not shock me at all. How pathetic is ones existence if they behave this way? More than anything, I pity this individual, I truly pity them. I'm saddened that they are this desperate in their lives that they are motivated to behave like a neanderthal. It's really very sad.
I can not even begin to attempt to respond to this because it is so beyond being rational that it would take me hours. I can not even begin to grasp how some people function in our society with zero ability to grasp reality. It was fun Lord Jonny but, I just cant. I'm not sorry.
Ha, I love it, one poster who states that he is involved in solving these types of issues professionally say's that the issue is even too complex for him. Then another, Lord Jonny, here, proclaims "well it's kinda simple really". So which one is right? I'm going to go ahead and side with the one who understands the numerous complexities of the situation even though this is his profession, over the one who seems to believe it to be overly simple. Just me.
I love it when simpletons look at a topic, conceptualize it in their mind and so confidently conclude they have the answer, even if others have stated it's extreme complexities. I mean, the analogy was good if not a bit naive to the realities of the issue. I wish it were all this simple.
My argument isn't "that the players should be employees" and it's not that they should not be employees, but simply, they should share in the profits of a product they are equally part of producing, instead of where it is now in which they receive NOTHING. Whatever structure is in place is not really important. If they are paid employees of a university, the NCAA or the TV networks is not relevant.
Yes, no $h!t Shirley. That just happens to be the point. Glad you can come to the party finally. Congrats big boy, you fingered it out.
Lets face it, 40,50,60 years ago, an athlete receiving a paid education (NOT FREE as you have so eloquently stated), housing and some ancillary expenses, was in fact a fair exchange of services. The key here is the "40, 50, 60 years ago" thing. It was before the TV networks began earning such fantastic sums of money and in turn paying the NCAA member similar fantastic sums of money for this product they played a part in producing.
When the corporations began profiting billions and the NCAA likewise, things changed, the price of an education etc is no longer fair compensation for this exchange of services, well, unless we live in China, I guess. Evolution happens, except when disreputable entities conspire to avoid compensating athletes/actors/employees fairly. It's time for this evolution and The University of Michigan should be a "leader and best" in this process.
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I've seen some with Moore and Edwards moving up as well, this defense could be really nice if the O can do it's part.
THERE YOU GO WITH THAT WHOLE "TRUTH" THING AGAIN.
What on Gods green earth are you thinking? :0)
HOW DARE YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH! YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IS FORBIDDEN HERE. FML.
Who even knew he was gone tho...fr.
I dont know why but I just laughed at the fact that your post was ending his sentence....like you know each other and are having lunch together just talking and you ending his sentence for him.
Wow, this is some DEEP shit right here. I'm going to have the printed on a bumper sticker.
PROFOUND.
This is GENIUS, pure GENIUS, judging a poster base on his screen name. I mean, the intellect just oozes from your pores. It's one thing you actually THINK this but then to articulate it in public, embarrassing .
Brown eye?
Thank you for this, I couldn't remember who said it.
I mean, it's pretty obvious they have all the team hats in front of them. Not sure why this is a mystery it's not like they have a 3D hat printer laying around.
No fricken way? Wow, this is some scintillating info. Thanks for this.
Oh yeah, forgot about McDonald in SEA.
So, out of those four teams, somebody better step up.
Can we count All and Milton?
If we are at 15 and its the last pick then the Lions or the Harbaughs need to trade a seven from next year to break the record. Lions should do it just to appease the home fans at the draft.
I like these three M guys as well and maybe Zinter tomorrow.
I would love to see Roman Wilson land in LA with JH, seems like a nice fit.
I'm not sure if this post is more arrogant, ignorant or comedic but regardless, thank you for the entertainment.
Where are you getting the "S" in championships? Little bro, its A championship, not S. The delusion is real, Michigan does not have possession of the secret formula, they actually do need to participate in the off season but you just stick with your hopes and dreams if they make you feel better at night.
I love it when posters make posts with such certainty of their superiority that they actually believe they can belittle other posters. It's like they truly believe they have the answers to the test and nobody else does. The arrogance/ignorance is laughable, thank you for the comedy.
Do you really think that's what op is saying? Interesting oversimplification, maybe its common here.
Koooool AID
It astonishes me how many fans THINK they have an idea of what's really going on while pointing out how others don't know as much as him. It's pure comedy. What's the first rule of the Dunning Kruger Club? .....You don't know you're a member.
Do you actually think that's what he is saying? If you think that, then maybe that explains why so many other posters are reacting like you because I dont believe this is even close to op's point. I think this is just the reaction of arm-chaired college football experts whose team won A championship and think their team is suddenly superior to every other team because of it and somehow they can skip the off season. Brilliant.
I think he explained it perfectly, why would you expect OP to waste his time because you are deficient? Google it.
Effing hilarious, you act like Michigan sat out the off season, pretty sure they won the off season three years ago when JJ and others committed and two years ago and last year and they better start winning a few off seasons again or you will be whining like you guys accuse op of.
It's hilarious because everything you've stated is spot on. I love the delusional posters who are the same people who wanted JH fired that are now making genius statements like "I like winning championships not the off-season". There's no S at the end of championship, it's ONE championship, don't act like we are a dynasty, we aren't and our savior has left the building.
To act like Michigan sat out the off season and still won a championship proves the delusion even more because Michigan did win the off season, they just did it three years ago when JJ committed. If they think we will win another championship sitting out the off season then we all know what will happen in a year or two, those same posters will be singing the same tune as you.
What I love the most is the arrogance with which they proclaim it.
I agree, damnit, I do not want the Lions facing JJ, Caleb and Jordan 2 x a year for the next 10 years.
Joe Alt to Chargers was forgone conclusion since JH was hired.
As what? Nose tackle?
I thought he owned it, he wasnt trying to be relatable, he was poking fun at himself.
5 will be Alt
Where is Marvin Harrison SENIOR?
Either that or ohio is just over the cap. :((
WAYYYYYY OVER.
Meh- Methinks you need to find The Fine Line Between Stubbornness and Stupidity.
You have every right to throw your money wherever you chose and in this instance I agree with you in every sense and the simple fact that as you state "A collective throwing $1M at a kid to bring him to their school (or keep him from transferring) could do a lot of good elsewhere with that $1M" is our reality ANGERS me beyond words. This is so beyond acceptable, I cant believe its true.
But, here is where you still cant seem to grasp reality and I give you credit for sticking to your guns.
"I would much rather throw my discretionary dollars at people in genuine need rather than at semi-pro athletes already getting a full ride (and then some) at a major US university."
Look, to you and I the perceived value of "a full ride (and then some) at a major US university." is fantastic and the perceived value to the student athlete of "a full ride (and then some) at a major US university" in the 1970's, 80's and maybe even early 90's still held true. But no matter how hard you want to jump up and down and stomp your feet and hold your breath, your temper tantrum will NOT alter today s reality and that reality is the perceived value of "a full ride (and then some) at a major US university" is nowhere near what it was then.
Think of the value of the dollar which in 1970 $100 dollars would require $850 today in comparable purchasing power. The difference between the two (the value of the dollar and the value of the full ride) is one is reality and the other is perceived and the perceived value of "a full ride (and then some) at a major US university" has not only not appreciated in kind but it has depreciated, again the key word here is "perceived". This perception may not be yours but you are not the commodity.
No mater how much you want to protest or ignore it the simple fact is that the entire environment has changed. Coaches making $10m a year, coaches changing teams for millions, conferences signing BILLION dollar TV contracts for football, universities funding entire athletic departments from the student athletes participating in the televised activities, AD's making millions a year, strength coaches making millions a year and on and on and on...This has radically changed this thing we love called college football and the change is in its infancy right now. You can bitch and moan and complain about the good ole days all you want but, it's about to be rewritten as you and I know it.
This is about one thing and that is the almighty dollar, and greed always prevails as we all know and it will prevail here.
What did you get a degree in accounting because you seem like the typical bean counter.
The great thing is that your convoluted concept of free market is that of an old man who thinks "these kids make to damn much money" because, "I walked uphill in the snow both ways and I got paid .25 cents to shovel my neighbors driveway, and I liked it".
Your analogy is tired and irrelevant, get with the 90's at the very least.
Cowardice? Good god, you accuse someone of cowardice with zero facts, only the musings of clickbait whores lining their pockets on the easily manipulated.
Who is the coward?
What's ridiculous is to assume you actually have a clue if the admin backed him or it did not. What's your source? The snakeoil salesmen lining their pockets with clickbait that has zero truth? JH nor anyone related to him has ever indicated what you state as fact so that means it's just a bunch of bullshit smoke.
This is just such a misguided, delusional take but if it makes you feel better to have a scapegoat, that's good. The snakeoil salesmen (social media whores) are there to profit off people like you.
I agree with every single word you typed, you are a lyrical genius my friend. Have you considered a career as a writer, I mean your style is titillating, keeps us all on the edge of our seats.
You ARE a hero to us all.
"You don't exactly come off as a sound individual"
Are you speaking for everyone, or just yourself? Others here seem to posses the intellectual capacity to grasp my offering, I feel bad for you if you can't. Also, who says the goal should be to "come off as a sound individual" and who is the judge and jury on that topic? I hope it isn't you because according to other posters here, you are not the most "sound individual" on this board.
"Hopefully you demonstrate greater maturity in contexts outside of anonymous internet messaging boards - for not only your own sake but also for those who must interact with you."
Again, I'm not sure you are the person who should speak on this topic considering your psychotic behavior you previously displayed toward other posters on this board.
As for the rest of your gibberish response, I will make this point again:
40-60 years ago, the price of an education, not a "free education", was probably fair compensation in return for an athlete playing for an NCAA member institution. Today it is not, not since two of those involved in the production of this athletic event began profiting billions of dollars while the third entity involved still only receives this ever so valuable (according to you) education.
That is my contention and I believe the three entities need to resolve this or the free market will resolve it for them. The NHL, MLB, NBA and hell, even PGA have development leagues in which the athletes get paid. There is nothing stopping a behemoth like Amazon from attempting to create a feeder program to the NFL and paying high school kids 100s of thousands if not millions of dollars a year to play in it rather than going to college. Then what do you think the value of that education is? Maybe this is what's needed if the goal is to return college athletics to amateurism because nobody is going to watch a bunch of 4th rate athletes play for a university anymore when they can watch the real star play on Saturday for a paid profession team.
And now I am done conversing with you my little friend, I have other more important distractions, it has been enjoyable, I wish you well.
It IS a sham, at least how I perceive it to be and I'm fairly certain others here agree. My perception is my reality, your is yours but thank you for informing me how I should perceive an issue, only as you do.
Websters defines a sham as "a trick that deludes", I perceive NIL to be a sham because I believe the NCAA is attempting to delude the fans into believing the athletes are being paid so now they are off the hook. I do not find this acceptable.
The NCAA was legally forced to allow athletes to earn money from their Name Image and Likeness. LEGALLY FORCED, they fought this for decades. Why? Because their greed lead them to believe that THEY, the NCAA should receive that money, NOT the athlete. In hindsight, the NCAA probably sees it as the gift that keeps the golden goose alive.
The universities fund their entire athletic budgets from the TV revenue earned by a certain group of athletes and in return, the universities repay those athletes with an education and the ancillary benefits that come with an athletic scholarship which 40-60 years ago was fair compensation. It's not fair compensation now that the TV networks are earning billions and paying the NCAA billions. The needle has moved.
"I believe you are arguing the money earned from broadcasting the sporting events should also go to the players. What I’m not clear on is if this argument is because you want the players to get more money, or by doing this it would somehow diminish the requests/demands for NIL funds. If it’s the prior, sure great, although I could walk through the financials showing there would not be as much money to go around as people think"
I'm sorry you cant grasp this, others seem to have been able to. Yes, I believe the athletes should be fairly reimbursed for their part in this production. As it stands, only the TV networks and NCAA members profit (other than that ever so valuable "free education" the athletes receive). I love it when you so smugly offer to "walk through the financials" as if you posses this ability myself or others may not. It reminds me of the individuals who respond to topics by proclaiming "what you don't understand is...." I always find that to be an interesting trait, to actually believe that another individual doesn't know what you do. Anyhow, are you going to enlighten me how the TV networks pay billions of dollars to the NCAA member institutions but neither of the two entities are earning billions in return? If yes, then please walk me through this fairy tale financial you seem to be aware of.
If you are going to "walk me through" how the top 50 ish universities didnt earn billions of dollars last year from TV revenues that funded entire athletic departments, then please do. If you are going to "walk me through" how the dozens of TV networks paid out billions of dollars last year to the NCAA members without earning billions in return, then please do. The thing is, most of the universities are public, so they are required to provide this information to the public and the TV networks are publicly traded so this info is also easily accessible and guess what buddy, nobody is going broke.
Thanks for helping me see the light.
Yeah, a "free ride" that's a fantastic fairy tale isnt it.
I've mentioned here that 40-60 years ago the price of an education was probably a fair repayment for what the student athlete provided but that was before these student athletes became the cash cow for the TV networks and the NCAA.
The "free education" many describe is a pittance when considering the profit being earned by the others involved in this production. The networks profit billions while the universities bankroll their entire athletic departments on these student athletes and some people believe that to be acceptable. I do not and I believe the NCAA should resolve this or the free market will.
I'd bet my left nut it is true.
You have used your energy to neg every post I've made on this topic so you doing what he accused you of is more than plausible. I believe him when he says your actions became psychotic when you were offended by something you disagreed with. Your actions are that of a sad, pathetic, insecure little man.
I find you negging me to be both comedic and pathetic. I've been coming to this board or some iteration of it, since I first got dial up internet. Do you think the number of points I have is important to me? Neg all you want, it's pure comedy that I have triggered you to this extent. A little stalkerish but good humor.
"A circus sideshow, and a diversion. A diversionary tactic, we may come to see. The door was opened a crack though. Now the athletes need to rush through."
I agree with you completely, these athletes need to continue to pursue this, do not allow NIL to be the diversion. As another poster mentioned, I would love to see the B1G and especially the U of M be proactive in fixing this inequity, be "the leaders and best" as they so proudly proclaim.
"Some of the responses here, at the outset, were embarrassing."
I think that's pretty normal in our society, people lash out at what they don't/cant comprehend, I expected it. There is one poster here, "crg" that has negged me 30-40 times on this topic. I smile at the amount of energy some are willing to waste being negative about something they simply can not grasp.
Somehow, these athletes not being fairly compensated has become so ingrained that most cant grasp the inequities, they truly believe it's perfectly acceptable for the TV networks and NCAA to profit billions while offering "a free education" in return. I always love that term, "free education", it's as if the athlete is offering nothing in return for this "free education". Mind boggling.
Dont get me started on AGENTS, if the NCAA is the slave owner in this equation, the agents are nothing more than the slave traders. Or in today's vernacular, agents are nothing more than pimps profiting from their stable of whores.
Agents, although not as directly involved in this, are the leaches making a shit ton of money for virtually nothing in return. How the agents have not been included in the NIL process is a mystery.
Yeah, I think for some, like yourself who have the ability to read an idea, comprehend that idea and then conceptualize that idea, it makes sense. To others who are unable to think outside of their conditioned beliefs, it's crazy AF. Some posters fixate on certain aspects of the posts which may have been made to simply make a point.
For example, I realize the athletes are not paid actors that should not be paid by the networks, but that's not really the point, the point is that the networks, along with the universities are profiting billions (collectively) from these players who play this game. Those two entities need to be part of the equation in resolving this disparity, not only the universities. I've stated several times that I believe 30-60 years ago that the price of an education along with housing etc was a fair cost in exchange for the goods provided by the the athlete, but that was before the two entities involved in the production of college football began profiting billions of dollars from these athletes. As my friend commented on the subject privately, "you cant hide the billions any longer".
I think that like so often in our society, things become ingrained and we don't question them, even the athletes have accepted it so that's made it even easier for us to rationalize. A sham is defined as "Something false or empty that is purported to be genuine." I called NIL a sham because I believe that it is exactly that, something false that is purported to be genuine. I think the NCAA would love for the athletes and fans to forget about reimbursing the athletes now that NIL has been forcibly allowed by the courts. Which by the way, the simple fact this was forced by the courts proves just how disgustingly greedy the NCAA is, they didn't want players to earn a penny that they thought they may have had a chance to earn. I'm all for capitalism but there is a reason gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins.
I think that certain aspects of college football have evolved beyond amateur sports and either the NCAA resolves it or free market will. The players, if given a chance would forgo the "free education" if given the opportunity to earn 100s of thousands and in some cases millions per year playing in a league that, similar to minor league baseball and hockey, is in place to do what the universities do today. I mean, lets face it, the NCAA is essentially the minor league system of the NFL, but the one thing that distinguishes this from a minor league is the the NCAA doesn't pay it's players a penny.
Yes, or at least compensate them for their part of the equation, however that is structured is unimportant.
Why does this not shock me at all. How pathetic is ones existence if they behave this way? More than anything, I pity this individual, I truly pity them. I'm saddened that they are this desperate in their lives that they are motivated to behave like a neanderthal. It's really very sad.
I'm confused, if they dont have players, how would ""the Universities would still be fielding teams anyway?"?
I just cant. I'm not sorry, but I cant.
I can not even begin to attempt to respond to this because it is so beyond being rational that it would take me hours. I can not even begin to grasp how some people function in our society with zero ability to grasp reality. It was fun Lord Jonny but, I just cant. I'm not sorry.
Ha, I love it, one poster who states that he is involved in solving these types of issues professionally say's that the issue is even too complex for him. Then another, Lord Jonny, here, proclaims "well it's kinda simple really". So which one is right? I'm going to go ahead and side with the one who understands the numerous complexities of the situation even though this is his profession, over the one who seems to believe it to be overly simple. Just me.
I love it when simpletons look at a topic, conceptualize it in their mind and so confidently conclude they have the answer, even if others have stated it's extreme complexities. I mean, the analogy was good if not a bit naive to the realities of the issue. I wish it were all this simple.
My argument isn't "that the players should be employees" and it's not that they should not be employees, but simply, they should share in the profits of a product they are equally part of producing, instead of where it is now in which they receive NOTHING. Whatever structure is in place is not really important. If they are paid employees of a university, the NCAA or the TV networks is not relevant.
Yes, no $h!t Shirley. That just happens to be the point. Glad you can come to the party finally. Congrats big boy, you fingered it out.
Lets face it, 40,50,60 years ago, an athlete receiving a paid education (NOT FREE as you have so eloquently stated), housing and some ancillary expenses, was in fact a fair exchange of services. The key here is the "40, 50, 60 years ago" thing. It was before the TV networks began earning such fantastic sums of money and in turn paying the NCAA member similar fantastic sums of money for this product they played a part in producing.
When the corporations began profiting billions and the NCAA likewise, things changed, the price of an education etc is no longer fair compensation for this exchange of services, well, unless we live in China, I guess. Evolution happens, except when disreputable entities conspire to avoid compensating athletes/actors/employees fairly. It's time for this evolution and The University of Michigan should be a "leader and best" in this process.