We have a lot of young bullets in the chamber. If they flop, the offensive is screwed. We held that view for Henson and Morris and look at the result. Early enrollment allows these "disrespected" recruits a chance at playing somewhere else. Loyalty is two-ways. If Patterson joins the team, that would mean more competition with the best man playing.
Not condoning the behavior, but come on moral police--gang rape at Baylor by half the football team, crotch grabbing in East Lansing by a wide receiver, and send me a picture of you fully clothed by a band director---one of these does not belong.
I am not sure where I made all those statements. I merely stated that there are a lot of variables that make up a season. Your arbitrary grading is unremarkable and plebeian at best.
Michigan was 8 points from an undefeated season this year. I don't think I have enjoyed watching/following Michigan Football since probably Bo.
lack of long-term recruiting relationships with recruits
chance
schedule
chance
Injuries
etc
I don't know if there is a coach in America that coulda/woulda done a better job than Coach Harbaugh. Maybe I am wrong here. Using compensation as a rationale for questionable assessment methods is not, in my opinion, a useful argument.
You are evaluating the overall performance of a team of coaches and players and assigning it to one person.
While your assessment of the overall team performance may or may not be fair, I am not sure it is fair assessment of Coach Harbaugh's individual performance.
Baylor has had some impressive offenses under Briles--that combined with a weak SOS has vaulted them in the rankings. They will not be in the top 25 at the end of the season if they go 8-4.
There was a reason why Harbaugh loaded up the QB stable. It seemed like he was going to have an entire team of QBs in the beginning. Why not as important of a position as it is in the NFL, the college QB is still the most dominant position in college football. I saw that first hand when Vince Young beat Michigan (not Texas, but Vince Young) in the 2005 Rose Bowl.
And you are suggesting the main reason why they were pulled over is because they might be black (which, the article doesn't mention and unless you personally know the skin color of the players involved, you are assuming they all are black..and if that is the case...you might want to consider giving back your SJW card)
The classes that are at issue are independent study classes, which, I am guessing are still around at UofM. The requirements of the class are at the discretion of the sponsoring faculty member. The only difference in UNC case, was this form of class structure was abused by both the students and the academic staff member who facilitated the abuse.
If you really care and want to learn more about it:
This has been hanging over the head of UNC for over 5 years...similar to stretchgate and Ed Martin scandal. The reputation damage, in my opinion, far outweighs any punishment the football would receive.
Just ask Penn State. The "national championship" is a big popularity contest, which obviously Bo didn't really care about it. If you look back his body of work, there probably was a season or two that Michigan could have won a "national championship", but didn't play the game. Lloyd did a miserable job in 97 playing the PR game. Remember 06, OSU/UM, there was talk about how it wouldn't be fair to have them play in the NC game--but now, it would be fair to have 2 SEC teams in the playoffs.
I thing people in general don't realized how much of a bad ass Bo was. Seriously Bo was a bad ass. He represent everything that is good about college football. Bo was a bad ass. Jim knows Bo was a bad ass. Jim wants to be a bad ass. Jim wants to Bo. Who doesn't want to be Bo??? Seriously, Bo was a bad ass. I don't think most people realized that how much of a bad ass Bo was. Jim knows. I know. To come to the conclusion that if Jim could be a percentage of Bo in his life time, that would be an accomplishment, I think most people don't realize that is a measurable beyond NFL, beyond Superbowl, beyond....
I am sure you were concerned with the incidental bumps, a side bro hug with a recruit, and a photograph with a recruit's mom. If that is the case that we need to stop that immediately before it gets out of control. Think about the children.
"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does--kills people, murders people people, steals from you, steals from me."
The difference is that you mentioned things that there are laws that have been broken, I mentioned something where there is no rules/punishment for the recruit. A little different. Just because they are teenagers doesn't mean they don't have to be accountable for their actions. Again, this is peanuts.
Why was this kid on the field and in the water tent?
Not that it is that big of deal...but this kid is "jail bait" and I will go out on a limb and assume he knows that he shouldn't be hanging out on the field and be near the coaches. Rules are rules, I get that...but if I was a high school recruit that was a SEC slappy...I might accidently bump into a coach from the bigten, especially at a camp that was getting national press coverage.
If I went to the camp as a member of the public, I doubt I would be allowed in the water tent.
I have yet to read anything about shenanigans going on at these camps.
So are you suggesting that we should create rules because you feel that massive amounts of violations might happen??
The classes did exist. There were no lectures with a paper requirement (which is not unsimilar to independent study). Unfortunately the paper requirement was not much of a requirement. I took an independent study class at Michigan and guess what, I didn't meet for lecture and I had a paper requirement.
UNC cooperated fully. When I went to play school at Michigan, I remember athletes being steered towards GS, Comm, and Kines majors as well as specific "athlete-friendly" classes. A paper class is an extreme--but please don't suggest the NCAA would be an adequate surveyor of academia.
I never said it was wrong. I prefer the amateur nature of college athletics. The idea of an arms race in NCAAF does not interest me in the least. If players start getting paid in college then, for me, college athletes lose their luster of being students first and become employees and college football becomes an inferior professional product.
The NFL makes it a bigger problem then it should be. The NFL uses the NCAA as a free minor league development league. The 3-year rule is arbitrary (as well as the NBA's 1-year rule). MLB and NHL seems to have less problems in that regard.
If we extend your logic here, high school players should be paid and the NFL draft should be eliminated.
...Nick Satan scheduled a camp at bama the same day as a UofM Scamp in bama. Them all are starting to play the game...thinking they are placing a power move on JMFH. They think it is a game...that they are going to "fight" outsiders coming into "their" territory. The problem is it makes them look reactionary and petty.
Messing with Harbaugh is like going on O'Reilly thinking you are going make him look bad...some do...most don't.
I read it the same way. UofM probably had no part of adding Georgia to the mix. The great part is the fact that Smart and Harbaugh will be at the camp and it will probably bring the national media...cause JMFH is starpower. Smart can try to outshine JMFH...will try...but he will fail and we here will chuckle...cause that is what we do.
The bulk of the taxes that are paying for the public portion of the development do not exist prior to the stadium being built. Hot and Ready Arena is being funded via a TIF. Without the stadium, the new taxes to pay for the stadium would not be there. These arguments are weak in regards to Detroit.
If the ban is rejected, it is going to great to see how Sankey and Co. explain how they decided to removed their conference bans on Scamps (cause you know they will).
If they truly believe that Scamps are the devils work and anti-family/anti-America, then they shouldn't allow them in their conferences--which will weaken their case when this issue rolls around again in 2017. Cheers to hypocrisy.
I am curious if a phone or two to the DOJ that was made on behalf of our AD. Seriously--we have a ton of Michigan law alums in Washington. This DOJ investigation just seems so out of left field.
His grin in the beginning says it all. He took some time to formulate a response...and badmouthing the DOJ is not very good coach speak. If you cut out the beginning of the video, it sounds as if he is defending the camps.
I agree here. No matter what--playing on a big stage in front of your family and friends is tough to compete with. Michigan will never completey own one state outside of Michigan in the long run. Partridge's strong relationships with athletes will be short lived now that he is in Ann Arbor.
If there is a school that owes NJ--it should and will be Rutgers--once they hire an AD that knows how to hire coaches and create an environment for them to succeed. They joined the big ten for a reason--and it wasn't to be slapped around and have a mushroom print on their forehead.
I wonder if that means the legislation dies or goes back to the committee. And if it does go back to the committee, when will they get to vote on it again—if it is next year that means, we might have camps this years like last—which means Hugh is not going to be able to spend time with his family. This is not good. Not good at all. Think about the children, people, Hugh’s children.
I think the PAC-12 was in a real pickle here. They have a long, established relationship with the BIG 10. From a business standpoint, I am guessing they wanted to express support with the BIG 10. From a recruiting standpoint--I doubt many of the schools wanted to see the BIG 10 and the SEC camping out in California.
The coaches can side with the BIG 10 and public opinion after the fact--and still get their way.
I think you are giving the voters too much credit. Outside of the traditional hookers and blow, I doubt the voters received any compensation from the SEC. Taking cash directly is crossing a line--a big line.
The sunbelt and mountain west pads the SEC schedule and gain tv exposure and puts cash in the schools pockets--their vote was strictly business in my opinion. The big 12 have texas; the pac 12 have california--two of the three biggest recruiting states in the union.
..when he didn't get the Maryland job. There was a part of me that didn't want Michigan to face his offensive every year, but the entertainment value alone would have been worth it.
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Maybe it wasn't football related. Man wanted to go to Ross. Maybe he got rejected by Ross.
We have a lot of young bullets in the chamber. If they flop, the offensive is screwed. We held that view for Henson and Morris and look at the result. Early enrollment allows these "disrespected" recruits a chance at playing somewhere else. Loyalty is two-ways. If Patterson joins the team, that would mean more competition with the best man playing.
If MSU, PSU, and Michigan win out, it will be a 4-way tie in the east. Who gets to go to the BTC?
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Not condoning the behavior, but come on moral police--gang rape at Baylor by half the football team, crotch grabbing in East Lansing by a wide receiver, and send me a picture of you fully clothed by a band director---one of these does not belong.
I am not sure where I made all those statements. I merely stated that there are a lot of variables that make up a season. Your arbitrary grading is unremarkable and plebeian at best.
Michigan was 8 points from an undefeated season this year. I don't think I have enjoyed watching/following Michigan Football since probably Bo.
Given:
I don't know if there is a coach in America that coulda/woulda done a better job than Coach Harbaugh. Maybe I am wrong here. Using compensation as a rationale for questionable assessment methods is not, in my opinion, a useful argument.
You are evaluating the overall performance of a team of coaches and players and assigning it to one person.
While your assessment of the overall team performance may or may not be fair, I am not sure it is fair assessment of Coach Harbaugh's individual performance.
Drain the lakes into the state of Ohio.
Fence the garden, er mitten!!
Two ways to decrease the difference in that graph:
I'm not sure it is not that impossible to defend.
Got to test the null hypothesis with a larger N. It is the Michigan difference.
It would be curious to see the results of your method for the last 10 years relative to the final rankings.
Baylor has had some impressive offenses under Briles--that combined with a weak SOS has vaulted them in the rankings. They will not be in the top 25 at the end of the season if they go 8-4.
There was a reason why Harbaugh loaded up the QB stable. It seemed like he was going to have an entire team of QBs in the beginning. Why not as important of a position as it is in the NFL, the college QB is still the most dominant position in college football. I saw that first hand when Vince Young beat Michigan (not Texas, but Vince Young) in the 2005 Rose Bowl.
...that suggest otherwise with coaching transition (-6 wins, I believe, LC to RR). Coaching matters...it matters a lot in my opinion.
The only saving grace for Baylor to stay in the top 25 this year is that their out of conference schedule is weaker than ours.
They lost their head coach and if you think that you can plug and play Briles with Grobe and not have a significant dropoff...
They lost their 2017 recruiting class.
They basically lost their 2016 recruiting class.
They lost one of their starting QBs.
Baylor at 23 is a joke. That team has imploded.
WD is that you???
5 kids crammed in a car.
Busted taillight.
Speeding.
Friday night.
And you are suggesting the main reason why they were pulled over is because they might be black (which, the article doesn't mention and unless you personally know the skin color of the players involved, you are assuming they all are black..and if that is the case...you might want to consider giving back your SJW card)
So apparently they were driving a 2007 Ford Focus. 5 Division I Football Players--One Ford Focus. Might have exceed the towing capacity.
The classes that are at issue are independent study classes, which, I am guessing are still around at UofM. The requirements of the class are at the discretion of the sponsoring faculty member. The only difference in UNC case, was this form of class structure was abused by both the students and the academic staff member who facilitated the abuse.
If you really care and want to learn more about it:
http://www.unc.edu/spotlight/wainsteins-report-into-irregular-classes-released/
This has been hanging over the head of UNC for over 5 years...similar to stretchgate and Ed Martin scandal. The reputation damage, in my opinion, far outweighs any punishment the football would receive.
Just ask Penn State. The "national championship" is a big popularity contest, which obviously Bo didn't really care about it. If you look back his body of work, there probably was a season or two that Michigan could have won a "national championship", but didn't play the game. Lloyd did a miserable job in 97 playing the PR game. Remember 06, OSU/UM, there was talk about how it wouldn't be fair to have them play in the NC game--but now, it would be fair to have 2 SEC teams in the playoffs.
I thing people in general don't realized how much of a bad ass Bo was. Seriously Bo was a bad ass. He represent everything that is good about college football. Bo was a bad ass. Jim knows Bo was a bad ass. Jim wants to be a bad ass. Jim wants to Bo. Who doesn't want to be Bo??? Seriously, Bo was a bad ass. I don't think most people realized that how much of a bad ass Bo was. Jim knows. I know. To come to the conclusion that if Jim could be a percentage of Bo in his life time, that would be an accomplishment, I think most people don't realize that is a measurable beyond NFL, beyond Superbowl, beyond....
I am sure you were concerned with the incidental bumps, a side bro hug with a recruit, and a photograph with a recruit's mom. If that is the case that we need to stop that immediately before it gets out of control. Think about the children.
"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does--kills people, murders people people, steals from you, steals from me."
The difference is that you mentioned things that there are laws that have been broken, I mentioned something where there is no rules/punishment for the recruit. A little different. Just because they are teenagers doesn't mean they don't have to be accountable for their actions. Again, this is peanuts.
Why was this kid on the field and in the water tent?
Not that it is that big of deal...but this kid is "jail bait" and I will go out on a limb and assume he knows that he shouldn't be hanging out on the field and be near the coaches. Rules are rules, I get that...but if I was a high school recruit that was a SEC slappy...I might accidently bump into a coach from the bigten, especially at a camp that was getting national press coverage.
If I went to the camp as a member of the public, I doubt I would be allowed in the water tent.
Just saying.
Ash is bringing in John Bongiov and crew to his camp.
When is Jimmy and crew going to annouce a camp in Canada?
The classes did exist. There were no lectures with a paper requirement (which is not unsimilar to independent study). Unfortunately the paper requirement was not much of a requirement. I took an independent study class at Michigan and guess what, I didn't meet for lecture and I had a paper requirement.
Here is UNC's admission:
http://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/faqs/
So the NCAA is in charge of accreditation now?
UNC cooperated fully. When I went to play school at Michigan, I remember athletes being steered towards GS, Comm, and Kines majors as well as specific "athlete-friendly" classes. A paper class is an extreme--but please don't suggest the NCAA would be an adequate surveyor of academia.
The main issue is larger than some remote football camp in Bismark, ND. The ban was shady and it was not very nice.
I never said it was wrong. I prefer the amateur nature of college athletics. The idea of an arms race in NCAAF does not interest me in the least. If players start getting paid in college then, for me, college athletes lose their luster of being students first and become employees and college football becomes an inferior professional product.
I am not a big fan of paying college athletes.
The NFL makes it a bigger problem then it should be. The NFL uses the NCAA as a free minor league development league. The 3-year rule is arbitrary (as well as the NBA's 1-year rule). MLB and NHL seems to have less problems in that regard.
If we extend your logic here, high school players should be paid and the NFL draft should be eliminated.
...Nick Satan scheduled a camp at bama the same day as a UofM Scamp in bama. Them all are starting to play the game...thinking they are placing a power move on JMFH. They think it is a game...that they are going to "fight" outsiders coming into "their" territory. The problem is it makes them look reactionary and petty.
Messing with Harbaugh is like going on O'Reilly thinking you are going make him look bad...some do...most don't.
I read it the same way. UofM probably had no part of adding Georgia to the mix. The great part is the fact that Smart and Harbaugh will be at the camp and it will probably bring the national media...cause JMFH is starpower. Smart can try to outshine JMFH...will try...but he will fail and we here will chuckle...cause that is what we do.
The bulk of the taxes that are paying for the public portion of the development do not exist prior to the stadium being built. Hot and Ready Arena is being funded via a TIF. Without the stadium, the new taxes to pay for the stadium would not be there. These arguments are weak in regards to Detroit.
If the ban is rejected, it is going to great to see how Sankey and Co. explain how they decided to removed their conference bans on Scamps (cause you know they will).
If they truly believe that Scamps are the devils work and anti-family/anti-America, then they shouldn't allow them in their conferences--which will weaken their case when this issue rolls around again in 2017. Cheers to hypocrisy.
I am curious if a phone or two to the DOJ that was made on behalf of our AD. Seriously--we have a ton of Michigan law alums in Washington. This DOJ investigation just seems so out of left field.
His grin in the beginning says it all. He took some time to formulate a response...and badmouthing the DOJ is not very good coach speak. If you cut out the beginning of the video, it sounds as if he is defending the camps.
No love for the new GM and the clear out of the stale, old man Ford scrotum lickers??
I agree here. No matter what--playing on a big stage in front of your family and friends is tough to compete with. Michigan will never completey own one state outside of Michigan in the long run. Partridge's strong relationships with athletes will be short lived now that he is in Ann Arbor.
If there is a school that owes NJ--it should and will be Rutgers--once they hire an AD that knows how to hire coaches and create an environment for them to succeed. They joined the big ten for a reason--and it wasn't to be slapped around and have a mushroom print on their forehead.
Is the PAC-12 camping in Florida, Louisiana, Ohio???
I wonder if that means the legislation dies or goes back to the committee. And if it does go back to the committee, when will they get to vote on it again—if it is next year that means, we might have camps this years like last—which means Hugh is not going to be able to spend time with his family. This is not good. Not good at all. Think about the children, people, Hugh’s children.
I think the PAC-12 was in a real pickle here. They have a long, established relationship with the BIG 10. From a business standpoint, I am guessing they wanted to express support with the BIG 10. From a recruiting standpoint--I doubt many of the schools wanted to see the BIG 10 and the SEC camping out in California.
The coaches can side with the BIG 10 and public opinion after the fact--and still get their way.
I think you are giving the voters too much credit. Outside of the traditional hookers and blow, I doubt the voters received any compensation from the SEC. Taking cash directly is crossing a line--a big line.
The sunbelt and mountain west pads the SEC schedule and gain tv exposure and puts cash in the schools pockets--their vote was strictly business in my opinion. The big 12 have texas; the pac 12 have california--two of the three biggest recruiting states in the union.
..when he didn't get the Maryland job. There was a part of me that didn't want Michigan to face his offensive every year, but the entertainment value alone would have been worth it.