Xavier worthy may be leaving?
So apparently a Texas board member on 247 noted that worthy is having trouble with the academic side of things in order to early enroll at Michigan and wants out of his NLI and transfer to Texas and play for Sark.
Also, the always negative Brandon brown confirmed that he does have a couple hurdles to climb to enroll at Michigan.
Gotta love Michigan I tell ya...
https://mobile.twitter.com/BSB_Wolverine/status/1348115893025460227
January 10th, 2021 at 10:31 AM ^
OSU has had a better APR than Michigan for multiple years. We were tied for 5th in the Big Ten in 2020 and tied for 3rd in 2019. Can't even win that.
January 10th, 2021 at 1:17 PM ^
Does that take into account what and how the classes are? If not If we had a “football” degree it might make things better.
im just going by memory but I thought Brian had stated that most players at OSU weren’t going to class and spent most of their time at the football facility, which suggests a different emphasis.
Further, to me at least there is a world of difference between Gordon Gee and Schlissel in being realistic about sports.
January 10th, 2021 at 2:59 PM ^
Gordon Gee has been gone from OSU for 7 years.
Also we're behind schools like Wisconsin and PSU who we're also losing to on the football field, so the "can't be good because academics" thing still doesn't work.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:46 AM ^
Do we think something has changed in the last 15 years? Mario Manningham was able to enroll...and a bunch of other football players took courses with this guy.
https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/academics/stories/2008/03/athletes_steered_to_prof.html
"Acho, Shand and assistant athletic director Warde Manuel, who then oversaw the Academic Success Program, were among those present, according to one of the former employees, and Manuel was animated in defending the courses."
January 10th, 2021 at 12:05 PM ^
The article has a lot of substance but there are a few inaccuracies.
I am a former athlete from that time and someone who knew Steve King personally, athletically, and professionally as a financial planner. Steve was not a Certified Financial Planner, as the article states, he was an insurance agent, and only briefly, before working in the non-profit world. That irresponsible journalism is like calling a vitamin salesman an M.D.
In my experience with academic athletic services, the authors of this article are intentionally missing a key point: Hagen wasn’t teaching study skills as the whole course. He was teaching an independent study subject of the players choosing and also teaching them study skills, including time management, as part of helping them learn the subject matter.
In comparison, there used to be a course at Northwestern (during these same years of this article) called “Music Appreciation”. It was stacked with music majors of all variety and taught by a DJ from a Chicago radio station. One entire lecture explained how in one classical piece the strings were meant to symbolize a woman’s orgasm. The final exam was, “In 100 words OR LESS, tell me what music means to you?”
My suspicion is that even at great academic institutions, shortcuts like this class are offered for all variety of students but the media all-too-frequently grabs the story when it’s athletes. Nobody is asking how my classmate, who was on a soap opera full time during undergrad, was able to complete her courses despite being on location filming. I saw football players drafted in the first round working on school and in class. I saw a player taken in the top 15 picks meeting with groups to study Intermediate Micro Economics (and saw him in class as well) I never, ever, saw her in person, despite her name and pic being included in all the recognition our class of 2005 had.
January 10th, 2021 at 1:05 PM ^
Got news for you, while I don't doubt for a second that there is a Music Appreciation class, no way is that class stacked with Music Majors. Any "appreciation" class in any subject tends to be and intro/fun and yes, relatively easy class and not intended for people that are majoring in that area. At Michigan, that class would neither count towards the degree or even the elective distribution and have no reason to think that Northwestern would be any different.
I was in Michigan's Music School and transferred into Engineering where I ultimately got my degree. Engineering was easier (for me at least). Nearly all the credit hours for the classes in the music school are 2 and you need to carry about 17 a term. Written Music theory is math, it may not be "tough" but it requires studying, exactly like Calc. I'm not really sure there is an equivalent to Aural Music theory.
For me, I came to the conclusion I was working very hard for something where I didn't see it landing me a spot in a major Symphony (ie. I wasn't a good enough player), so I made a financially motivated move, but this premise that a Music degree is an easy degree is mistaken.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:42 AM ^
Used to see a lot of football players in the math lab and working with their tutors late into the evenings when I was on campus. Practice + class + team meals + mandated study hours/tutoring...I can see the point here. Some kids still want some semblance of a college experience and freedom while at college, and it’s totally possible that the lifestyle at U of M may be too much for some kids. Seeing as most programs will hold them to the same responsibilities in football, the one place they could afford to find some spare time and some reprieve would be to find a lace with more lax academic requirements. That said, if you are a decent student who tries, getting a 2.0 or so shouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility just with some effort (point being not all football players would need to be seeing tutors after football duties etc). They also get tons of access to additional help and services. Just a thought
January 10th, 2021 at 12:06 PM ^
I graduated in 2011. One of the requirements to graduate was taking a certain amount of credits in a foreign language. A friend of mine who was more interested in an easy A than learning a foreign language took up Apache with many football and basketball players. My friend got straight As in Apache for 4 years and literally could not speak one sentence of the language. The course was designed solely for the athletes to pass this requirement without putting in any effort. I know of many other classes like this that existed while I was a student.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:27 AM ^
I recall some years ago that there was a player MI was interested in. Nor Demar Dorsey; that was an earlier case. But he had grade issues - for most schools. So he went to some school to “fix” his grades. But the school was basically one where you bought your grades. Admissions was aware of this & wouldn’t accept it. Other Admission Offices weren’t so particular.
You guys need to decide if Michigan is a college football team or an NFL minor league team.
January 10th, 2021 at 10:10 AM ^
I made a comment to this end the other day in a thread that got deleted: it isn’t that we have gpa/scores standards that are any higher than the NCAA minimums, it’s that the U-M Admissions Department doesn’t regularly look the other way on fake grades or fake schools.
Prior to RR, the head coaches had curried enough favor with the Administration to be able to take an occasional “remedial case” who otherwise would not have been let in.
Some of the impactful players in the 90s and 00s would fit into this camp.
There’s a very longstanding and very real tension between significant portions of the Administration and the Ath Dept, and it manifests itself in this issue (among others). Go look up former U-M president James Duderstadt’s book on the matter (and you can be sure he did not lay out a case in favor of the sports side of things).
January 10th, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
For those thinking the school should bend over backwards to support the football team, please remember, the school pays for the professors and the operations of the buildings and the people who make the schedules, etc, etc, etc. The AD is primarily self funding. That means they are not taking a significant portion of money away from the school, but they are also not contributing a significant portion of money to the school.
You are basically asking the school to spend money to enable this mostly independent organization to use the schools resources free of charge. That is a poor business model.
I know some will immediately say sports provides advertising and brand awareness no other function of the school can create and will use an anecdotal example of some kid in a third world country wearing a Michigan football t-shirt. You can put a price on brand awareness and I’m sure at some point someone in the Ross School has done this. Others will point out that Michigan is one of the few schools where the AD pays the school for the scholarships. This is more of a legitimate argument, but still does not support the added expense of carrying class loads only for athletes.
If the AD wanted to fund it’s own school, that would be one path. They could set their own admissions requirements, set their own class requirements, etc. At that point the school would then ask for rent for the existing facilities since the school owns the property on which all of the sports facilities sit, at which point the financial model falls completely apart.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:21 AM ^
While I really hope this “rumor” isn’t true but if it is than perhaps the talk of our recruiting being “disorganized” has some merit. Isn’t it Matty Dudek’s responsibility as recruiting coordinator to ensure transcripts and academics are in order?
January 10th, 2021 at 9:59 AM ^
I don't understand what this means. Is Dudek supposed to do Xavier's homework?
The implication is that Xavier needs to do some work to bring up grades/test scores, not that he lost his transcripts.
January 10th, 2021 at 10:14 AM ^
C'mon....No--thats not what i meant. Do his homework? LOL
As the recruiting coordinator your job is to ensure transcripts are in order to get the kid into school based on the schools requirements! IF we are 3 weeks past signing day and we are now just finding out that the kid can't get in ......thats a problem! i.e.) disorganized!
January 10th, 2021 at 10:59 AM ^
It's probably best to withhold assigning blame without detailed knowledge of the situation, which you don't have.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:21 PM ^
Who said they are just finding out about it? You really think the administration just found out about it because today, because that's when you heard about it, lol?
This was obviously a known issue. Michigan makes a few of these kind of offers every year. The issue is usually something like the kid has low or missing test scores (SAT/ACT) or they have failed a class that they need to retake in summer school in order to graduate high school.
The issue is known when the offer is made and well before the LOI is signed, but the work that the kid needs to do to fix it obviously extends past signing day. Make sense now?
January 10th, 2021 at 11:29 AM ^
to answer your question yes, it is Dudek's job to "qualify or vet" someone and make sure if there are any potential issues they are brought to the coaches or the recruits attention...everyone here saying quit laying blame are the same people that say we recruit fine here at UM and we get the studs...no, no we do not.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:31 AM ^
Honestly, to me this proves just the opposite. Doesn’t this say Michigan is more than willing to offer scholarships to players with questionable academic backgrounds? I mean, if there are problems, I doubt they magically popped up his senior year of high school. Just my two cents.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:34 AM ^
Dude. Thank you. I’ve been saying for a while now and getting negged. Some others have backed it up and now this issue arises. We are NOT the same as the other schools and this is one of the reasons we can’t compete with them. Not the only reason, but as mentioned above the kids know about it and we’re just not gonna get the same recruits as osu or Bama or Clemson.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:10 AM ^
Case closed. It’s a known fact. The problem with fact is, lots of people would rather be arduous about the situation. Just to oppose and debate the obvious to wits end.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:39 AM ^
Just asking - but is this that uncommon - especially in the B1G? Seems like I've heard of other schools, in addition to us, like PSU, OSU, WI, IA losing a recruit because of academic issues - and then find that they enrolled at either a junior college or one with easier admission standards?
January 10th, 2021 at 10:56 AM ^
Well you’d at least think the recruiting team would have this shit sorted out before we got him to sign. Nothing like wasting your time on a kid who can’t even make it in. If true, this feels like another example of the disorganization that plagues this coaching staff. They aren’t new at this.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:59 AM ^
"wasting your time on a kid"
Yes, please stop building relationships with recruits and obviously show how you won't treat 17 years olds with even a modicum of respect, unless you know they're actually gonna go here!
Imagine treating a recruit on a visit like he actually deserves to be here and then he ends up playing for OSU, how can they ever forgive themselves?
January 10th, 2021 at 12:12 PM ^
It’s literally time and energy spent recruiting that is up in smoke, ergo wasted. This isn’t day one of the kids recruitment. He signed his NLI after months of pursuit. If it turns out he can’t come that is a huge oversight and we can’t turn back the clock to say put that time towards another athlete
January 10th, 2021 at 1:24 PM ^
Wow, I can see you're really passionate about this!
You've convinced me! I'll help, here's the letter of rejection we should send:
Dear meatsack whose only value is possibly entertaining us while holding a ball/bat/stick,
We delightfully inform you that you're too fucking stupid to attend our University!
Although in person you've have impressed us in every way and you truly embody exactly the type of young man/woman we want to have on this campus, we have a number here that indicates you most likely were raised by bed bugs, so you instantly became a "hard pass".
Of course, since we met your family on your official visit and they are wonderful people, we can only assume it must be your "neighbors" in the shit hole you grew up in. So if your hear anyone around you that thinks they can better themselves by working hard in the classroom and on the field of play, feel free to tell them from us: "Not at Michigan, you ignorant Muther Fucker!".
Signed,
people who totally don't think they're better than you
January 10th, 2021 at 3:50 AM ^
Clickbait title.
January 10th, 2021 at 4:08 AM ^
He seems good on Twitter
January 10th, 2021 at 4:10 AM ^
Not that he's a good source, but when saying he's always negative, you should probably note that Brandon Brown hasn't heard that he wants out.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:01 AM ^
UT is a very good school academically -- would their admission standards be more lax than UM's?
January 10th, 2021 at 8:12 AM ^
They make it easier for athletes, that's all. They are willing to pay a $21 million buy out for a decent coach, they aren't turning away good athletes.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:08 AM ^
And if this is true, just a reminder for the idiots here that Michigan isn't on the same level playing field as the Bamas and Clemson's of the world. You never hear anything about a player having academic issues at other schools, ever.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:15 AM ^
Maybe he just thought he had enough credits to graduate early and is finding out he’s short a couple? Also, how does this show we aren’t on the same playing field? Do you know for a fact that he’d get to enroll anywhere else either?
January 10th, 2021 at 9:20 AM ^
Are you kidding me? He would never have this issue at Alabama, OSU, or Clemson or Texas. Facts.
This is a topic that doesn't get brought up if he were going to any other school.
And historically speaking, you don't have to look far to see how it affects players (Evans).
And now, the whole fanbase is scrutinizing his academics.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:29 AM ^
How is that a fact, because you say it is? I’ve never seen any facts that actually back up this argument. It may be true, but my personal history tells me that it’s not.
and how does the Evans scenario prove your point? Wasn’t he caught plagiarizing something?
January 10th, 2021 at 11:12 AM ^
If the issue is not having enough credits to graduate early, that has absolutely nothing to do with which college you’re applying to. Graduation requirements are set in stone by your respective state and are the same for everybody.
The University of Texas has zero say in the state requirements for graduation in the State of California. Hell, UT has zero say in the requirements in their OWN state.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:59 AM ^
I’m assuming you’re replying to me, I have trouble following the replies on this site on my phone...I understand universities don’t have a say in requirements to graduate high school.
This whole thread is based on some random internet poster saying he has academic issues, and a vague tweet from a fake insider about having hurdles before coming to campus...Academic issues doesn’t mean a specific issue. I just threw out a random thought that could be possible based on what information we have on this post.
Maybe he has grade issues, maybe he doesn’t. Seems silly to speculate about the young man and imply he doesn’t have the grades to get admitted when we don’t have a clue about the situation.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:55 PM ^
The OP said “So apparently a Texas board member on 247 noted that worthy is having trouble with the academic side of things in order to early enroll at Michigan.”
To me that makes it sound as though the issues are with graduating in time to enroll early, not necessarily being admitted to Michigan or having poor grades. If the issue is just being able to enroll early, then it’s not likely a major issue that would keep him out of UM.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:22 AM ^
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Hopefully we can get enough talent to compete with Mel Tucker
January 10th, 2021 at 9:56 AM ^
The issue has never been MSU, because they aren't blowing us out the water. It is and always has been OSU... But with harsher academic standards and player academic shaming, there is a good reason why we lose good players to MSU.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:20 AM ^
We lose to MSU because of poor coaching and preparation. Academic standards have absolutely nothing to do with it.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:42 AM ^
Checks record for the last decade...
Yes, FYS football team is blowing us out of the water.
January 10th, 2021 at 12:46 PM ^
That's the overriding concern -- Harbaugh is not even a mediocre coach IMO. One can point to the instability of his staff, player retention and development, clock management, recruiting, flip-flopping in offensive systems, etc. to substantiate such an opinion.
Conversely, Juwan came in and successfully integrated his system right off that bat and then, this year, filled a couple of gaps on the roster to make his team an uber-competitive force. He's implemented an NBA system that is attracting top recruits and winning with a less than optimal mix of players.
Player development? He has a frosh playing at an All-American level.
I mean, there it is -- we can see a clear juxtaposition of coaching ability in the same athletic department right before our eyes.
January 10th, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^
I love Juwan but he stepped into a much better situation than Harbaugh did. It took a lot of time and effort for Beilein to get Michigan basketball to where it is.
January 10th, 2021 at 2:51 PM ^
Yes, but with Beilein you got the sense that he was moving the program in the right direction. Every year got a little better. We became more competitive with the B1G elite every season. It took time because he was a pure system guy. He didn't recruit one and done players that would provide immediate wins. And ultimately Beilein got his team to TWO national championship game appearances.
Harbaugh, at best, has been stagnant over the past 4 years as his footprint on the program grew larger. Not sure how one could argue that the last 4 years has been trending up.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:10 PM ^
You certainly are a 'lil Harbaugh Energizer Apologist, aren't you?
The fact is that Harbaugh has been here for six years and we now have worse talent here than we he came.
Not to mention that the team absolutely sucked this year.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:37 AM ^
Given the lower academic standards for some incoming student athletes and Xavier is below that, it tells me he has a steep uphill climb to be admitted into U of M.
Good luck to him either way.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:50 AM ^
So I tried to watch the primer on how to embed and it gives me an error. But Xavier tweeted on December 25th that he was admitted. What am I ignorant of?
January 10th, 2021 at 11:44 AM ^
Probably rocket science, for starters. I’m guessing brain surgery, too.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:47 AM ^
There is probably a difference between being admitted and being able to early enroll..
my guess for early enroll would have to do with not having enough things done now currently in high school before he can enroll early.. just my guess though.
I am sure he is good to go if he enrolls in the fall
January 10th, 2021 at 11:47 AM ^
There is probably a difference between being admitted and being able to early enroll..
my guess for early enroll would have to do with not having enough things done now currently in high school before he can enroll early.. just my guess though.
I am sure he is good to go if he enrolls in the fall