Xavier worthy may be leaving?
So apparently a Texas board member on 247 noted that worthy is having trouble with the academic side of things in order to early enroll at Michigan and wants out of his NLI and transfer to Texas and play for Sark.
Also, the always negative Brandon brown confirmed that he does have a couple hurdles to climb to enroll at Michigan.
Gotta love Michigan I tell ya...
https://mobile.twitter.com/BSB_Wolverine/status/1348115893025460227
January 10th, 2021 at 1:41 AM ^
He can't leave if he hasn't arrived yet.
January 10th, 2021 at 10:16 AM ^
Whatever. After the last 9 months I'm numb. Up is down. Black is white. And there is hamburger all over the highway in Mystic Connecticut.
January 10th, 2021 at 12:13 PM ^
It's a metaphysical question: can you leave before you've arrived?
January 10th, 2021 at 1:51 AM ^
We beat out Alabama for this?!
January 10th, 2021 at 1:53 AM ^
I swear. No shit
January 10th, 2021 at 8:31 AM ^
With online school now, it’s hard for me believe he can’t get his grades up. Maybe he doesn’t enroll now but it would seem he has plenty of time to fix his issues.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^
“Enrollment requirements are the same for all schools”
I hate when people post this.
January 10th, 2021 at 1:24 PM ^
They let kids do work over and over again until they get it right. How do you fail? When I was a kid, if you didn't catch on today, you were out of luck.
January 10th, 2021 at 2:24 PM ^
lol the level of competition is so much higher at the university level now than it was when you were a kid. If you were to enroll in a semi rigorous program at M thinking ’these kids have it easy’ you’d have your ass blasted into a 2.0 gpa.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:02 AM ^
In Alabama’s defense they had 4 guys ranked ahead of him committed.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:38 AM ^
Only four? That makes me feel better.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:09 AM ^
Four guys at his position*
January 10th, 2021 at 2:52 PM ^
I can't imagine how surreal it must be to have a bunch of grown-ass adults talking about your academic credentials online, based largely on what a couple of anonymous message board posters say.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:00 AM ^
Hey, sunshine, Alabama probably hadn't been in the picture for couple months,
he was trolling UofM fans, LIKE YOU!
Incase you didn't know.
January 10th, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^
Uh... he literally went on a recruiting visit to Bama a couple weeks before signing day...
Since there are no official visits, that would mean he went from California to Alabama on his own (well, his parents) dime just to troll Michigan fans?
January 10th, 2021 at 8:47 PM ^
Yeah, that's probably when bama confirmed to him they had too many WRs recruits to fit him in the class.
After that he trolled Michigan fans on twitter saying that he and Giles were a "package deal" and put crimson and white in the tweet.
That's why it was so shocking when he committed.
January 10th, 2021 at 1:57 AM ^
Well, this fucking sucks. I wonder if it has anything to do with the way he completed his last year of high school?
January 10th, 2021 at 5:06 AM ^
Maybe he should enroll in the fake Emoni Academy!
January 10th, 2021 at 2:31 AM ^
Sigh, that's all I got
January 10th, 2021 at 1:43 PM ^
Sigh, and sucks a bit if true. I was kind of excited about him coming aboard, and still hope he comes to Michigan.
January 10th, 2021 at 2:52 AM ^
Weird, I swear we were told by some people on this board that Michigan's academic requirements aren't an issue when it comes to recruiting and that its a cop out excuse that doesn't really affect recruiting.
January 10th, 2021 at 4:26 AM ^
UofM is not Harvard.
/s
#OSUhAsThEsAmEsTaNdArDs
January 10th, 2021 at 5:56 AM ^
Harvard is the Michigan of the East.
January 10th, 2021 at 6:17 AM ^
My first thought too. Wtf?
January 10th, 2021 at 6:44 AM ^
I was just about to post the same thing, DTOW.
I mean, people have been saying for years that the athlete entry process into UM isn't too unequal to most other schools and Michigan fans are just complaining about nothing.
If this is true, then that means a lot of people didn't really know what they were talking about and some were most likely just trying to brush off our legitimate complaints.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:04 AM ^
It may explain some of the attrition too. Elite players come here, realize they're working way harder (at school) than their peers at other big time programs, but not winning much, despite having the expectations to work just as hard in practice, by a coach who goes full throttle 23 hours a day and expects the same out of everyone around him. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it would definitely explain a lot.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:23 AM ^
What I find fascinating is the seemingly two incompatible positions people will take on this issue at the same time. You will see the same posters claim:
1. When we lose a player to a school like OSU or Alabama they'll mock them with the "they didn't come to play school" line or will point to Alabama's lenient academic requirements for entry for why the player didn't choose Michigan.
2. Then the same posters will claim our academic standards don't hinder recruiting and the problem in getting highly ranked players must lay elsewhere.
It's one or the other folks. Either we DO make it harder to gain entry and stay enrolled (M academic standards and all that) or we don't (we are football factory like everyone else).
January 10th, 2021 at 7:35 AM ^
Yes I've noticed that too. My take is that we should give players the option to take the easy route and not force the heavy academics on them.
Or, in a perfect world, the NCAA allows athletes to "major" in their respective sport, so football could be offered as a degree just like theater or musical performance, and the practice time is part of their credit hours.
It makes no sense. My mom has a bachelor's degree in vocal performance from UM. She never applied this degree to a career, only singing in a band for a couple of years and in church. And yet football players can't get a degree in football?
January 10th, 2021 at 8:15 AM ^
Unless your Mom obtained a degree in Voice from UM when graduation requirements were far more lax, I'd bet it was a demanding academic program, if recent information is relevant:
http://smtd.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/VOICE-A-2017-2018.pdf
Current UM Voice majors have to take a minimum of 30 credit hours in non-Music classes, with a total of 124 credits minimum overall for graduation.
I know one of the Assistant Deans at UM's Music School, and I have asked him specifically about the widespread notion on MGoBlog that UM Music students just play their instrument for four years and do nothing else. In truth it's a very demanding academic program that goes far beyond just mastering an instrument, whether it's a piano or your voice.
When people here say "just let the players major in football like UM music students major in music" what they really mean is "don't make the players take a demanding course load because UM music students don't either." It's a bullshit notion that betrays a fundamental ignorance what's required to obtain a degree from UM in music.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:28 AM ^
I assumed it went without saying that there are still academic requirements like any other degree. It would simply make it easier on athletes who are bringing in millions of dollars for their university but still expected to get a degree separate from their athletics program.
And by the way, do you realize how demanding it is to be a college athlete WITHOUT the academic requirements? These players are expected to earn college degrees while also working the equivalent of at least a full time job, but more likely 1.5-2 times the workload of a full time job, at least during the season. They spend their summers at "voluntary" workouts. For four years they don't get a break. I have no idea how you took my suggestion to mean that life would be easy for a college football player.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:50 AM ^
As someone with a degree in vocal performance, I can assure you that the rehearsal and performance schedules for ensembles, which are required every semester, are completely incompatible with participating in a revenue sport. Also, it’s not like music theory is “easy” and something you can pass just by showing up occasionally, specifically the aural music theory. Even if you had a very flexible studio teacher who would fit you in for lessons at your convenience and didn’t care if you never had time to practice, the rest of the requirements would get in the way.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:14 AM ^
Maybe read my comment again.
January 10th, 2021 at 9:49 AM ^
He’s not saying “allow them an easy major, like music performance”. He’s saying “like music performance, allow them to major in football...‘athletic performance’ if you will”. So football practice and games become credit hours, making it easier to maintain academic standards instead of playing football with, say, a biology degree.
January 10th, 2021 at 10:07 AM ^
Don, are you trying to say playing football is not demanding? I’ve never understood why universities don’t offer a Football Studies degree to prepare and provide players with skills they’ll need to succeed in a variety of football positions — whether it be playing, coaching, scouting, team management, or even ownership. The time they spend on playing football should go towards earning their degree in Football Studies. The universities need to get with the times. Football is not just some pastime students engage in to get some exercise. It is a multi billion dollar industry. Why not truly prepare the players for an opportunity to succeed in it?
January 10th, 2021 at 10:19 AM ^
He knows this. Don is pretending to be ignorant so he can be oppositional.
January 10th, 2021 at 2:37 PM ^
Yes, in Football 101, the very first thing they'll teach you is how to HEAR FOOTBALL. What does a good tackle sound like? What does a good block sound like, vs a poor block? Brady Hoke will be the guest lecturer.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:22 AM ^
Or, in a perfect world, the NCAA allows athletes to "major" in their respective sport, so football could be offered as a degree just like theater or musical performance, and the practice time is part of their credit hours.
I think this would be an excellent idea. I remember reading years ago about a kid who came out of a terrible school in Florida who would have no chance of coming to M.
why but let the kid come here, get a degree in “football” that allows him to learn how to keep any money he might make in the league, deal with agents, the media, and fill in educational gaps? Good for him, good for us.
And we do it in other areas. I had a TA who was from Vietnam who was barely functional in Ann Arbor due to crappy, almost nonexistent English skills. But the U had him because he was a freaking brilliant mathematician. They figured they could fill in the other skills later.
January 10th, 2021 at 11:39 AM ^
Also prepare for coaching if a playing career doesn’t work out.
January 10th, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^
You mean Demar?
January 10th, 2021 at 1:08 PM ^
Absolutely!
It's definitely #1 in terms of both academic admission to the university but also with respect to not only academic workload but the style of schoolwork. There's an article from last fall that showed only 7 Power 5 football programs (at the time) did not allow football players the option of taking wholly online courses (Michigan, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, etc. - M being the only public university). While there are "lower" admission standards to Michigan via some schools (Kinesiology vs LSA vs Engineering vs Business, etc.)
When football players (or other athletes) can simply take asynchronous online courses and complete requirements, versus taking courses with the rest of the student body (even if online now during a pandemic), they can procure better grades (though not necessarily learning any more). Online courses are tougher when you are still in a class environment (due to the need to prepare and participate) than those where you are essentially doing the work on your own time and just need to turn it in. (No allegations here, but asynchronous is way easier to have someone else do the work, too.)
At some point, Michigan athletics (especially for football due to the sheer size of the team) will need to decide if being a University is more important than being a Football Team. It certainly appears that Ohio State and Clemson and the vast majority of the SEC has chosen the latter, though the relative success of programs like Notre Dame and us mean that it is possible to be competitive with the former, though probably not National Championship quality. Can we reasonably expect that level of success if our players are more invested in their academics than others? Or if we cannot even get some players into school? Or if some players simply would select an easier road through the academics (remember some recruits talk about "School X assured me I will stay eligible no matter what")? I cannot blame a kid for wanting the easier path as the athletic side is incredibly demanding.
Basketball is much easier to compete with the academic standards, because you do not need as many players to make it happen.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:37 PM ^
+1 Fantastic post! Did not know we were one of the 7 universities that did not allow all online coursework.
January 10th, 2021 at 1:42 PM ^
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January 10th, 2021 at 8:35 AM ^
Is winning football games more important than having academic admissions standards?
January 10th, 2021 at 11:36 AM ^
Okay, fair enough. I don't share that thinking but I know plenty of people do. It's not worth it to me to try to compete with the slimey, semi-pro football factories if it means losing integrity as an academic institution. I want to do as well as we can and win as many games as we can while maintaining standards.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:45 AM ^
You can't do both?
January 10th, 2021 at 8:53 AM ^
Yeah, I thought that was the whole point of Michigan. We could have both.
Of course those who think we are going to be in the playoffs every year like Alabama if we just relax our standards just a little are crazy too.
January 10th, 2021 at 10:11 AM ^
Don't charge top five ticket prices in America and say "We believe in championship football" and tout your all time wins as often as you can if you're not really trying to win as much as possible.
January 10th, 2021 at 10:24 AM ^
We are doing both. We are a winning program with a good APR.
But with the playoff system and the OSU situation it isn’t enough for most people. Look at the vitriol on the board after we go 9-4 with a couple of bad losses, but some solid wins too.
I don’t believe in this era we can do both and be a college football playoff team/competitive with OSU.