Who Are the Final CFP Four and In What Order

Submitted by XM - Mt 1822 on December 5th, 2021 at 8:41 AM

Mates,

Having an overnight to think about it, time to make our predictions.   In any normal year a #1 team that gets smoked in their own home state by 17 points doesn't just go to #4, they'd be out of the picture.  So good bye UGA unless the SEC lovefest is unbreakable.  We all want Michigan as #1, playing Cincy or even ND, but will it happen?  A good point was made that even if UGA does make it and 'Bama plays them again in the semi's, that's better than a boring re-do of the SEC title game in the finals.  Michigan being #1 with 'Bama and UGA at 2 and 3 accomplishes that and would still set up the likely match of Michigan v. SEC for all the marbles - a ratings blowout. 

Anyway, good morning on this bright shiny Michigan Sunday.   Pick the 4 and the order, and Go Blue!

XM 

The Blue Collar

December 5th, 2021 at 8:46 AM ^

Two things are certain: 

One: Georgia and Alabama will both be in because ESS EEE SEE.

Two: Michigan will play Georgia in the first round. 

 The committee is way too cowardly and the "rankings" are too hypocritical for anything else.

UMForLife

December 5th, 2021 at 9:15 AM ^

Yeah. I agree that they will be cowards. Georgia was smoked by Bama. They shouldn't be on the field. But they will be. Wish Ok St would have won that game. They should be playing Bama in the semi-,final. I contend that they should prove that they can beat Bama before sniffing the championship. If not, they will be routed again in the championship game. With what I saw in their defense, Michigan has a good shot. Who wants to watch a rematch of Bama-Georgia in the semi final or finals. Makes no sense. They used the same argument to snub Michigan in 2006. I would rather see Baylor or even Utah. Reward the teams that are playing well. not the team that was bullied.

Ghost of Fritz…

December 5th, 2021 at 8:46 AM ^

1.  Michigan

2.  Alabama

3.  Cincinnati

4.  Georgia.

 

That is not what the committee will do.  But they should.  Bama would have lost to Auburn if the Auburn RB had stayed in bounds.  Georgia does not have any wins over top 15 teams.   Georgia is very good.  But 100% for sure Michigan has a better resume than Georgia.  

Rafiki

December 5th, 2021 at 8:55 AM ^

This is what should happen and I actually think the committee will come out this way. Rewards conference champions, ranks the P5 team with the fewest losses highest, avoids UGA v Bama rematch, and still tells non P5 programs they aren't equal. All-around win for the committee that nobody questions. They could even swap Bama and Cincy if they wanted to reward Cincy for going undefeated and still end up with the same matchups. 

ESNY

December 5th, 2021 at 9:19 AM ^

This probably right. don’t know if they committee will put us one but Georgia was a fraud that beat up shitty teams.  What is their best win, Clemson?  they shouldn’t be higher than 4 or for that matter why is there no debate between them and ND. Both have equally meh resumes. they should not be higher than Cincy but that would mean putting us over Bama and don’t know if they would do that cause ESS EEE SEE! 

ThePriceIsWRONGBob

December 5th, 2021 at 11:31 AM ^

I wish everyone were this level headed.

I've seen awful stuff from parents at little league games - both as a 12-year old Umpiring 5 year olds playing T-Ball - where I had to EJECT a parent for abuse -and now as an adult and parent.  

I wanna buy one!

Don

December 5th, 2021 at 8:51 AM ^

What I think it will be:

1. Alabama

2. Michigan

3. Georgia

4. Cincinnati 

What it should be:

1. Michigan

2. Alabama

3. Cincinnati 

4. ND

 

xgojim

December 5th, 2021 at 8:59 AM ^

Would love another shot at ND!  To hell with Notre Dame!

Georgia played a soft SEC schedule to have a previously perfect record.  Alabama revealed Georgia for what it is:  a second rate one loss team.  While Alabama has a sexy offense, their end of season was nowhere as dominant and impressive as Michigan's.  Go Blue!

UMForLife

December 5th, 2021 at 9:18 AM ^

Agree. It is not like Bama win by 3 points. They were playing B12 FB and Georgia could not stop it. They shouldn't be in the final four. UTAH on the other hand dominated teams in the second half. I can make a case for UTAH. Even Baylor played heck of a game with their backup QB.

Ghost of Fritz…

December 5th, 2021 at 9:58 AM ^

The ND or Georgia thing is difficult.  But Georgia has to get the nod...

I am skeptical about rewarding any conference with two slots in the playoff.  Putting in Georgia--did not with their conference--just reinforces the idea that the SEC is so far above the rest that they should often get 2 slots.  I generally disfavor putting teams that did not win their conference in the playoff.  But Georgia has about the strongest case possible for being let in as a team that finished second in their conference.

ND did not even have to play a conference CC game.  They chose to not fully join a conference.  And they chose to affiliate with the ACC (which is the worst P5 conference).  Both choices are choices to avoid a hard schedule.  

Between ND and Georgia, I have to choose Georgia for playing an overall harder schedule than ND, and also for playing in a conference CC game.  If Georgia did not have to play in a conference CC game (like ND), Georgia would still be an undefeated no. 1 team. 

ND's best win is against Wisconsin in South Bend.  That is Michigan's 3rd best win (after OSU and Iowa victories).  It is not ND's fault that Stanford and USC  are terrible right now.  But it is ND's choice to play as an affiliate in the very weak ACC and to not schedule Clemson. 

Arb lover

December 5th, 2021 at 10:36 AM ^

Georgia and Notre Dame both have equally poor arguments for making the playoff. It's easy to win against poor quality teams week after week. Using the committee's own arguments (for keeping non P-5 teams out of the playoffs in the past):

  • Neither was a conference champion.
  • Neither has a signature win or even a top 20 win.
  • Neither is undefeated.

Looking at them head to head, as a user posted above,

  • ND had #24 SOS. Georgia was at #49 SOS.
  • Georgia's loss was to a non-godly 11-1 Alabama team that just squeezed by a 6-6 team by 2 in quadruple overtime the week before. Georgia lost by 17.
  • Notre Dame's loss was to an unbeaten Cincy team, by 11 points. 
  • ND's best win is likely 8-4 Wisconsin at a neutral location, 41-13. 
  • Georgia's best win is likely 9-3 Clemson at a neutral location, 10-3

Picking the top three should be

  • Michigan
  • Alabama
  • Cincinnati

The fourth is harder because there is no clear 1 loss team that deserves it, ahead of 2 loss conference champion teams that do have a signature win vs a top 10 team. In a perfect world Baylor gets spot #4, they've lost by fewer points (12) than Georgia and comparable to ND. They also have two fairly dominate wins over top 15 teams, including #5 OSU. 

Harball sized HAIL

December 5th, 2021 at 10:37 AM ^

Agree with you on what it most likely will be.

What it should be is:

1. Mich

2. Bama

3. UGA

4. Cinci

ND doesn't deserve to be there.  They have 0 wins vs. any current top 25 team and only 3 wins vs. teams with winning records - Purdue, Wisky, & Toledo.  

Gone back and forth on this quite a bit but this would be the right thing to do which means they probably won't.  Most likely would not want a re-match 2 games in a row for Bama/UGA but they run the risk of having them match up again anyway for the title.  This would eliminate one of them.  A potential Mich/Bama title game would be the most watched CFB game ever by a landslide.

yossarians tree

December 5th, 2021 at 12:20 PM ^

That's the way I'd do it. The SEC needs to sort out its best team before the final, not in the final. The only way to ensure that is for them to play in the semis. So what if they just played? Tough titty. Hell, I think most of America is sick of Alabama altogether, but they'll still watch. As for Georgia, if they want to advance, they should have to beat the one loss on their schedule.

Agree that if Michigan were to win their semi, the final would set the ratings record.

greymarch

December 5th, 2021 at 8:57 AM ^

What the CFP rankings should be: UM #1, Bama #2, GA #3, Cinn #4.

 

What the CFP rankings will actually be at noon today: UM #1, Bama #2, Cinn #3, GA #4.  Then the CFP avoids the dreaded semi-final rematch between Bama/GA.  

 

It's the wrong thing for the CFP to do, the CFP should rank all the teams honestly, and fairness would dictate the CFP ignores potential rematches, but this is the real-world and the CFP wants the best TV ratings matchups because ratings = NCAA $$$.

TennesseeMaize

December 5th, 2021 at 11:21 AM ^

But a rematch of GA/Bama in the finals would be far worse. You’re pro ably right about what they will do, but if we’re being fair, there is only one undefeated team. Why is Cincy ranked behind Bama and GA? Because of recency bias with SEC winning. So how to fix it? Let’s put two SEC teams in the CFP to give a super high probability of keeping the NC in the SeC rather than giving a fair shot from different conferences. 

Dunder

December 5th, 2021 at 8:58 AM ^

Should be:

1. Michigan

2. Alabama

3. Cincinnati

4. Bye

 

Will be:

1. Alabama

2. Michigan

3. Georgia

4. Cincinnati

 

And if the ESPN talking heads can spare time from worshipping the SEC and Lincoln Riley, they should spend that time pointing out that Notre Dame would have passed Georgia if they had just joined the ACC and won that championship game.