When was the last time the first 3 picks in the draft were attached to the same school?
Holy crap...sigh...hate to admit it, but no wonder OSU is the power house they are. Essentially the first 3 picks of the NFL draft are current OSU players or a player that was there for multiple years and left because they couldn't break into the starting lineup and then went on to have the greatest statistical year a college QB has ever had.
When was the last time that a single college team was attached to the first 3 picks in the NFL draft? Has it ever happened before? I effing hate OSU, but what they are doing is amazing...and it just makes me even more angry with where we are. I guess I need to move towards acceptance.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:02 PM ^
Never
At least the only one of the three to win a national championship had to leave the ‘school’ to get one.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:07 PM ^
True. So freaking depressing. Glad Burrow didn't lead the most disgusting team in America to a NC.
I know that for myself, I just need to change my perspective of what the last game in November means. Been a fan for 35 years and have never had to come to acceptance that we aren't going to beat the team in Columbus for a very long time.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:22 PM ^
We can beat them if we aggressively pay players and give them online classes. Don’t accept losing. Demand more.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:36 PM ^
"we can beat them if we cheat brazenly and ignore the long term interests of these boys"
Go be a buckeye please, your comment has as much class as they do.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:42 PM ^
You actually believe that "long term" Michigan players are better off than OSU players? Man, that is one incredibly naive thought if you do.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:53 PM ^
For every Devin Gardner (by most accounts a genuinely good human being), they can match with a Maurice Clarett, Amir Riep and Jahsen Wint (by their own actions not even close to good human beings).
Do I believe it? I don't have to, there's proof.
Does every M player leave a more mature man? Of course not. Does ever M player go on to a 6-, 7- or 8- figure salary? No. But I am _ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN_ that the opportunities to grow into a quality human being are there for Michigan men. Do you really believe that's true of the coach of Aaron Hernandez?
Who's naive here?
If I have to have a top 15 school that produces good men and lose to a school that let's Urban Meyer coach it? Yeah, give me the L. And I'll wear it tall.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:42 PM ^
You're hilarious, if not quite sad. Brenden Gibbons, Taylor Lewan, Grant Perry, Logan Tuley-Tillman, O’Maury Samuels, etc.. You clearly have a team of saints, right? Further, your team is subject to superior academic standards??????
https://mgoblue.com/sports/2017/6/16/compliance-sa-academic-standards-html.aspx
I hope your 1.8 GPA minimum is enough to pound your chest about, even if they're threatening to rape a rape victim.
Oh.. and Dr. Anderson is there too. But sure.. you’re superior pumpkin?
You cling to that nonsense if it makes you able to live. You pick a great player from Michigan and then compare them to players who got kicked off of the OSU team for bad things. I believe you got a player kicked off the team for rape not too long ago, however, he wasn't kicked off until his eligibility expired. Out of 85 athletes, there will be a few bad ones on both teams.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:55 PM ^
Online Classes will most likely be an option...if not the Norm going foward post WuFlu.
Most large Universities, with their massive endowments, bubble culture, impossibly slanted political views and ideology, are fundamentally corrupt...including The University of Michigan.
So...with that in mind...why not just extend it to the football field as OSU does?
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:00 PM ^
We can beat them with better quarterback and defensive line recruiting.
But that would probably require a new staff.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:58 PM ^
I think you mean, “demand less”.
Please stop the excuses. No evidence of paying players. Michigan also gives on line classes. OSU just recruiting better and, more important, develops those players.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:06 PM ^
LSU gets credit for the draft pick.
Although since they put up a billboard when he won the Heisman at and for LSU I'm sure they'll try to claim it. Clowns.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:09 PM ^
I agree that LSU gets the credit, but if you have ever met a Buckeye know 100% they will claim the pick and mention that their talent is so good that Heisman winning QB's have to leave their school to get playing time. Easily, next to Alabama, as the most obnoxious fan base in America.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:44 PM ^
LSU gets 100% of the credit period. Cool story that three bench players from a team went 1 2 3. In reality 1 left the team, 2 disappeared in all big games, and 3 was another reach by a shitty GM. Again good story but it’s not what it appears to be.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:46 AM ^
Being in Ohio, I can attest that they talk about him like he is Troy Smith
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:08 PM ^
For real, hate on Harbaugh and Don Brown all you want - some of it is merited. But NOBODY is doing what OSU is doing in recruiting and development right now, they’re a step ahead of Clemson and Alabama, and you gotta imagine Alabama will have a tough time keeping the gravy train rolling after Saban, unless they hire Dabo, in which case Clemson will have it rough. Just gotta tip your cap and weather the storm.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:14 PM ^
Sad, but true. Who on our team next year would start on OSU? McGrone? Hutch? Ambry? On offense I’m not sure anyone would. Maybe Nico Collins.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:19 PM ^
No, No, No, and absolutely no.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:40 PM ^
McGrone is better than Borland, but most Buckeye fans feel like we have 3 better options than Borland already. Hutch would absolutely play a ton and would most likely start. Dude is an absolute stud. Ambry would definitely be in the conversation to start opposite Wade. All three of those guys will be all-conference.
With all due respect, I don't think anyone from UM's offense would start for OSU next year. Some dudes would definitely play (Collins, Bell, Charbonnet, Haskins), but I don't think they'd start.
Haskins wouldn't get 1 min of playing time for OSU. Haskins, at best, would be their 3-4th string RB.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:56 PM ^
I thought Haskins was coming along well the back half of the season and was really pushing Charbonnet for carries. Sermon seems to be all but a lock to start, but depending on how Teague recovers, Haskins would theoretically be competing with Crowley for the #2 spot, and while the OSU coaches are high on Crowley, Haskins is more of a proven commodity.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:01 AM ^
I think Shea would have a shot. I hear he hits a mean 9-iron off the tee.
Who on our team next year would start on OSU?
Well it'll take some sorting out because we literally are in the process of losing the starters to the NFL but since Warriner arrived I'd say our O-line has been consistently better. It doesn't show in the stats because our QB refused to stay behind them or pull on a zone read, but if someone's gonna hate on the O-line to shovel coal in the "Michigan sucks" hate train, based on draft picks & projections the NFL looks poised to disagree.
As for "maybe Nico Collins", statistically he was already one of the best receivers in the country last season. Historically good. Again, our QB just wouldn't throw to him. If he'd sit on the bench there it'd either because the scheme didn't have a position for him or he grad transfers to a program where he'd win the Heisman and NC. (Not that it'll happen here but maybe McCaff will at least get him more touches before yet another squandered talent gets drafted.)
Our offensive line has been consistently better than it was before but it sure as hell ain't been better than Ohio State's offensive lines. Also, people need to chill on this idea that Nico Collins is the best receiver in the country. We all love advanced stats but overall production does mean something and he's got about half as much production as an elite receiver.
April 24th, 2020 at 10:47 AM ^
I think you would find more than you think but honestly if the UM players were developed by the OSU coaches I bet 30-40% would start. Sad but true.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:16 PM ^
Sickening but I just have to wonder how. How? After all M has to offer. How? I’m glad for all these young kids but... How? Gosh I hate OSU (and MSU).
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:24 PM ^
I think a significant "how" is that OSU is committed to winning football games. Period. No pretense. No arrogance. No politics. Win and everyone in and around the program is to help win football games.
OSU would never have former coaches and staff actively try and torpedo a coaching hire because they didn't feel he was a "Michigan Man" or the right fit. We are where we are, not entirely, but to a good measure to the actions of those in and around the program.
Could RR have been successful here? Who knows? If he actually had 100% support and help from those in and around the program, maybe his tenure would have been different. Then you have the knee jerk reaction to hire a "Michigan Man" (no matter the cost) who had a couple decent seasons at a MAC level school.
All the while our Rival was simply driven to doing what was best for their football team (even if we can question the actions they took). You have to admire OSU's singleness of purpose and unified support behind their program.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:03 AM ^
All you say is true. They do everything they can to grab the best recruits. However, their staff continuously out coaches us. Sure they have more elite players, but even their player development and coaching is superior to ours.
April 24th, 2020 at 10:56 AM ^
That goes to the single purpose. Win, no pretense, no excuses, win. They are "all in" in a way that UM is not. They want the best stadium, the best band, the best athletic department, coaches, recruiting, facilities, video department, scouting department etc etc. They look at themselves and cast off the weak and promote the strong. I just don't think UM has the same mentality. "Wanting to win" is different than "doing everything you possibly can to win". They also hate UM as much or more than UM hates them. UM will never catch them on a bad day like Iowa or Purdue may. Honestly it's that simple.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:44 AM ^
Yeah I'm not convinced on RR yet either. I've been in a coma for the last 7 years so I can only assume the St Louis Rams or San Diego Chargers poached him by now and they won multiple Super Bowls.
April 24th, 2020 at 10:05 AM ^
Your avatar looks like the sexy cousin of carlos spicyweiner...whatever happened to that guy?
April 24th, 2020 at 10:54 AM ^
This.
They're the fucking Borg of college football.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:17 PM ^
Much needed post...
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:18 PM ^
Who care F ohio?
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:20 PM ^
So much vagina in this thread. Go to bed, girls.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:28 PM ^
I don't know about all that, but did you guys see Ceedee Lamb's girlfriend? Whooooaaaa Nelly.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:45 PM ^
Star of the draft.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:05 AM ^
How about when he snatched his burner phone out of her hands.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:35 PM ^
If you credit Burrow to OSU then 9 of first 16 picks were from 3 schools with 2 of those schools in final 4. Gross.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:40 PM ^
I don't know if I "credit" Burrow to OSU, but he is certainly "attached" to the school. Was a Buckeye and committed, signed and attended the school in Columbus. Glad his legacy is more attached to LSU.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:46 PM ^
Burrow graduated from OSU in 3 years. Redshirted his first year. So, yes he is OSU's to claim and he credited OSU and LSU in developing him in his Heisman speech.
All this high end talent on display and you have to conclude Meyer underachieved with only 1 title in 7 years. Main reason was hiring some lousy coaches (Billy Davis, Zach Smith, etc) and JT Barrett as qb. Day has a much better coaching staff and better qb play so it should be interesting.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:50 PM ^
While Urban had an insane win percentage, he definitely underachieved when it came to titles. The 2015 team was one of the most talented college football teams I've ever seen. 16-18 all had the talent to do more. It's hard to win a title, but he should have had more than 1.
And you are dead on with the bad coaching hires. He had some great ones (Herman, Ash, Johnson, Day, etc), and some terrible ones that were primarily driven by nepotism (Davis, Schiano, Smith). Warinner and Beck calling the offense in 2015 was terrible, and Schiano and Grinch turned the 2018 defense into the worst since WWII at OSU.
"Warinner and Beck calling the offense in 2015 was terrible "
Were they?
2015 Ohio State offense: 14th, 41.3
2016 Ohio State defense: 32nd, 35.6
April 24th, 2020 at 11:01 AM ^
2015 they had Zeke, Micheal Thomas, the TE, Jalin Marshal, Curtis Samuel etc.
2016 they had Curtis Samuel
Even so, you can't say that's terrible. Those offenses are as good as any offenses Michigan has ever fielded.
ahem
April 24th, 2020 at 12:49 PM ^
As CC pointed out, the 2015 team was much more talented on the offensive side of the ball. 14th was the floor for that team. They couldn't get either QB into a rhythm, forgot Zeke was in the backfield during the decisive game (MSU, 12 carries for 33 yards), and schemed Michael Thomas to less than 800 yards. Considering how many guys from that team went pro, it felt like a huge missed opportunity.
And there it is. As a Buckeye, my one beef with Urban is not some accusation of sketchiness to get ahead, it is the opposite. As a previous poster said, OSU = total commitment to winning. Meyer did not have that.
He tolerated substandard coaches because of his desire to hire his friends and mentor flawed men. Billy Davis was a rotten coach but he was Urbans friend. Ryan Day will not make the same mistake. Which is why I think OSU is going to roll. No more brakes.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:51 PM ^
I guess my point was less about who gets credit for Burrow and more about how the hill to climb for other programs is getting steeper based on these results.